Mandatory mask poll

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puer.dei said:
shouldn’t be so eager to criticise without knowing all the facts.
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You’re so right…

Hopefully, everyone, especially on CAF, will give each other the benefit of the doubt before fighting about face masks and social distancing.
 
jgaw1234 said:
Why did Dr. Fauchi attend a baseball game?

Because he was banned from football games for moving the goalposts.
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I like Dr. Fauci and what he has done, but a well-played joke is still a well-played joke! 👍
 
Take the same picture but have the President, Melania and some unknown guy. The media would be screaming about how he is such a bad leader who should consider the optics due to his position. “He’s just giving fuel to the non-maskers.” etc.

Fauci said he had just been tested the previous day and he was dehydrated and drinking water. The President gets tested all the time and so does everyone around him so when he decides it’s prudent to not mask, he gets criticized. I just think it’s funny that the President’s critics can use reasoning as to why this picture shows nothing wrong but can’t seem to apply the same reasoning when the President isn’t masked.
 
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Elizabeth3 said:
Take the same picture but have the President, Melania and some unknown guy.
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This photo is not of the President. I disagree with your guess of what would be if it were in some alternative reality that of the president. It is not. No opinion can be reasoned as to what if it were the president, all other circumstances being equal. That is why whatboutism is weak.
 
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Oh please. Given the overwhelming unreasoned criticisms on a daily basis by the media, anyone can make a pretty accurate educated guess on what the rhetoric would have been if it was the President. Especially since they already criticize his lack of mask wearing without ever mentioning the amount of testing he and those around him have. So yes, it’s quite easy to reason what opinion the media would have if the photo was of the President.
 
Elizabeth3 said:
anyone can make a pretty accurate educated guess
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Ah. Appeal to common knowledge. Since I do not agree with your assessment, perhaps it is not so common. You know, not everyone is polemic. I do not doubt the more liberally oriented media would do as you say, just like the more alt-right sites think the picture of Fauci is significant.

Some of the criticism of President Trump was not about him wearing a mask while isolated and safe, but when he went without it to a hospital and where there was a lot more conduct. Of course there were some who also would criticize him with less cause, just like their are those that support him when it is most questionable.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
They need to make the effort to protect themselves; not demand that others keep them safe.
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Tell that to unborn babies…

The fact is that wearing a mask might save a life and might save thousands of lives. Is that not worth the slight inconvenience?
 
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I’m no fan of Trump. I’m not a Republican and basically abjure the Republican party. But it should be blatantly obvious to anyone that the media is dreadfully biased towards the Democrats and would make hey over this if it had been Trump. That’s pretty obvious.
 
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In my county in California masks have been mandatory since May 1. Yet our virus numbers don’t seem to reflect their efficacy. At all. Our numbers didn’t go down one bit after the mask order went into effect. And I see many people wearing them properly, so if they were really as effective as is being claimed, wouldn’t it show in the number of infections?
 
Somebody keeps flagging me and my posts get removed. While it would be nice to at least get a warning that something I’ve written has gone to far, I’ll step up and apologize for anything I’ve written that’s been offensive.

I’ll retire now to my friends on the theological threads (where I’ve been flagged once in almost 3 years). Adieu to all.
 
LisaB said:
Our numbers didn’t go down one bit after the mask order went into effect.
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Funny that.

Georgia numbers went up with no mask mandate.
But Alabama went up faster and higher with a mask mandate.

Kind of wonder what’s to come of Florida once vacationers go home.
 
pnewton said:
Since I do not agree with your assessment, perhaps it is not so common.
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I don’t need 100% agreement from every person to see the general consensus of the media. My point was the mainstream media bias and the overwhelming negative rhetoric they use when it comes to anything Trump does but they don’t apply that same criticism equally. I’m not really sure what your argument is here. You seem to be saying that because you don’t share my opinion that my observation can’t possibly be true even though it’s based on an educated guess from watching this phenomenon since he put his hat in the ring to run for President.
pnewton said:
Some of the criticism of President Trump was not about him wearing a mask while isolated and safe, but when he went without it to a hospital and where there was a lot more conduct.
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I don’t know of him visiting a hospital without a mask. The story I heard was they made a big deal that it was the first time they saw him wear one during his visit to Walter Reed. Again, with the amount of testing that is done on him and those around him, a mask in many scenarios is unnecessary but for the public, that does not have that level of testing done, it’s deemed necessary because their status is unknown. Their criticism is unfounded because they refuse to take into account his personal circumstances.
 
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Elizabeth3 said:
when it comes to anything Trump
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Remember your current whataboutism. You said if this picture, of three people by themselves and isolated from other, contained Trump then there would be an uproar, not that the media is biased against Trump. Of course a lot of people are biased against him, just as there are a lot biased for him. This may surprise you though, a lot of people do not buy the whole "fake news, mainstream media, liberal conspiracy. So if you use that outside of a Trump rally, then it might not draw a knee-jerk agreement.

In this case (the picture above), I think the picture to be innocuous, so much so that whoever was in it, there would not be an “uproar.” I base this on when masks need to be worn, not who Trump is, his enemies, or supporters. Masks are this thread’s topic. Remember that and what I said should not be confusing.
 
I haven’t made a single ad hominem post, and have gotten flagged numerous times (And posts removed?! A first for me I think). Very tempting to get in the flag war - but I’ll restrain myself.
 
First - as a person with a child with special needs - thank you. I was tempted to flag your post, but this was handled appropriately.

Second - it would be nice to get the option to edit posts like you did vs. being flagged and removed (I’m not saying you’re the person doing the flagging on this thread - just using this as an example.)

In any case - thanks for dialing down the rhetoric. I can do a better job myself.
 
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