Many Adams and Eves?

[Marc_Anthony]

I wouldn’t read Richard Dawkins at all, personally. He’s an outspoken anti-religious atheist who arote that lovely gem “The God Delusion”.

I believe in evolution (the version reconciled by the Church’s doctrines and dogmas, of course). But it is not proven, it’s a theory.

Anyway, I’ve always been interested in the possiblity that perhaps there were humanoid peoples with no souls around…a large group of them, but then God imbued one man and one woman with human souls, and they formed our human race, the homo sapiens. Perhaps the rest of them were the Neanderthals, and died off during the Ice Age.

 

[buffalo]

I wouldn’t read Richard Dawkins at all, personally. He’s an outspoken anti-religious atheist who arote that lovely gem “The God Delusion”.

I believe in evolution (the version reconciled by the Church’s doctrines and dogmas, of course). But it is not proven, it’s a theory.

Anyway, I’ve always been interested in the possiblity that perhaps there were humanoid peoples with no souls around…a large group of them, but then God imbued one man and one woman with human souls, and they formed our human race, the homo sapiens. Perhaps the rest of them were the Neanderthals, and died off during the Ice Age.

Get on top of the most recent science.

Consider IDvolution as the best explanation.

IDvolution - God “breathed” the super language of DNA into the “kinds” in the creative act. This accounts for the diversity of life we see. The core makeup shared by all living things have the necessary complex information built in that facilitates rapid and responsive adaptation of features and variation while being able to preserve the “kind” that they began as. Life has been created with the creativity built in ready to respond to triggering events.

Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth have the same core, it is virtually certain that living organisms have been thought of AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator endowed with the super language we know as DNA that switched on the formation of the various kinds, the cattle, the swimming creatures, the flying creatures, etc… in a pristine harmonious state and superb adaptability and responsiveness to their environment for the purpose of populating the earth that became subject to the ravages of corruption by the sin of one man (deleterious mutations).

 

[ThomasToo]

I wouldn’t read Richard Dawkins at all, personally. He’s an outspoken anti-religious atheist who arote that lovely gem “The God Delusion”.

He’s also a luminary in the field of evolutionary biology. Download the book, get it from the library, &c there ware ways to get the text without giving him the royalties and it is a good book on the subject.

I believe in evolution (the version reconciled by the Church’s doctrines and dogmas, of course). But it is not proven, it’s a theory.

As is gravity and the notion that germs cause disease. Your remarks ‘make it sound as though a “theory” is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night’ (Isaac Asimov, 1980).

 

[redneck22]

The challenge of explaining self assemblage.

It’s only a challenge if you believe it happened that way the first time. All the laws of chemistry and biology show that it cannot assemble NATURALLY. It’s like saying we have the challenge of making water run uphill in plumbing without pumps or we need to observe apples falling up out of trees.

There are only two possibilities as to how it could have happened, either naturally or supernaturally can you think of a third option? If it couldn’t happen naturally then the only other option is supernaturally.

 

[StAnastasia]

All the laws of chemistry and biology show that it cannot assemble NATURALLY. It’s like saying we have the challenge of making water run uphill in plumbing without pumps or we need to observe apples falling up out of trees.

you need to learn some chemistry. Here’s a start: bmb.uga.edu/wschmidt/BCMB8020files/Lingwood.pdf

 

[StAnastasia]

I believe in evolution (the version reconciled by the Church’s doctrines and dogmas, of course). But it is not proven, it’s a theory.

I don’t believe in evolution, but I accept it as the most cogent explanation for biodiversity on earth. I believe in God.

Plate tectonics and gravity are not proven either; they remain theories, and excellent ones.

 

[StAnastasia]

I’m with you there. The ship is sinking but Ken wants to stay on. He says he’s concerned about “science eduction” but that does not appear to be the case. I sincerely hope he wakes up from his position.

It is the YEC and IDC ships that are sinking. If they were still floating you would see the foundation of journals, societies, and university departments dedicated to YE and IDC research.

 

[StAnastasia]

Evolution has not been scientifically proven.

No theory has been proven. That’s not how science works.

 

[buffalo]

It is the YEC and IDC ships that are sinking. If they were still floating you would see the foundation of journals, societies, and university departments dedicated to YE and IDC research.

It won’t happen to the older profs die. This will take a little time because so many have invested their lives in a failed paradigm. Are you in this group StA?

 

[ricmat]

I wouldn’t read Richard Dawkins at all, personally. He’s an outspoken anti-religious atheist who arote that lovely gem “The God Delusion”.

I believe in evolution (the version reconciled by the Church’s doctrines and dogmas, of course). But it is not proven, it’s a theory.

Anyway, I’ve always been interested in the possiblity that perhaps there were humanoid peoples with no souls around…a large group of them, but then God imbued one man and one woman with human souls, and they formed our human race, the homo sapiens. Perhaps the rest of them were the Neanderthals, and died off during the Ice Age.

If Adam and Eve were but one of many, then it is quite possible that the descendants of those “other” folks are still amongst us. Without human souls. Not made in the image and likeness of God. Sounds like a perfect excuse for slavery and much worse.

 

[StAnastasia]

It won’t happen to the older profs die. This will take a little time because so many have invested their lives in a failed paradigm. Are you in this group StA?

Buffalo, its the YECs and IDCs who are on the way out. Can you point to a Society for Intelligent Design Creationism that has an international following? Can you point to a single piece of research that has supported either Young Earth or Intelligent Design Creationism sufficiently to compel international attention. Has anything at all come out of the DI’s secret Seattle Laboratory for IDC research?

As a Catholic, I naturally assume God created the universe, but I don’t assume that human science can find that purpose hidden in the molecules. We find the purpose within us, and in our interactions with the world, and in our spiritual and moral lives.

StAnastasia

 

[LittleSoldier]

What do you think HE chose? Evolution has not been scientifically proven.

God bless,
Ed

With all due respect, Ed, no matter how many times you deny it, one cannot *prove *anything in science.

Now please don’t discard part of my sentence (as you’ve done in the past), twist its meaning and then call it nonsense.

-----Proud to be a daughter of a plumber-----

 

[LittleSoldier]

He’s also a luminary in the field of evolutionary biology. Download the book, get it from the library, &c there ware ways to get the text without giving him the royalties and it is a good book on the subject.

As is gravity and the notion that germs cause disease. Your remarks ‘make it sound as though a “theory” is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night’ (Isaac Asimov, 1980).

A scientific theory cannot be proven. It can’t be. There is always uncertainty, even if it’s just a tiny bit. There can be significant results but there can be no actual proof.

 

[LittleSoldier]

I wouldn’t read Richard Dawkins at all, personally. He’s an outspoken anti-religious atheist who arote that lovely gem “The God Delusion”.

I believe in evolution (the version reconciled by the Church’s doctrines and dogmas, of course). But it is not proven, it’s a theory.

Anyway, I’ve always been interested in the possiblity that perhaps there were humanoid peoples with no souls around…a large group of them, but then God imbued one man and one woman with human souls, and they formed our human race, the homo sapiens. Perhaps the rest of them were the Neanderthals, and died off during the Ice Age.

That’s where I’m heading in my thoughts, too. I’m happy I’m not alone.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Get on top of the most recent science.

Consider IDvolution as the best explanation.

IDvolution - God “breathed” the super language of DNA into the “kinds” in the creative act. This accounts for the diversity of life we see. The core makeup shared by all living things have the necessary complex information built in that facilitates rapid and responsive adaptation of features and variation while being able to preserve the “kind” that they began as. Life has been created with the creativity built in ready to respond to triggering events.

Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth have the same core, it is virtually certain that living organisms have been thought of AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator endowed with the super language we know as DNA that switched on the formation of the various kinds, the cattle, the swimming creatures, the flying creatures, etc… in a pristine harmonious state and superb adaptability and responsiveness to their environment for the purpose of populating the earth that became subject to the ravages of corruption by the sin of one man (deleterious mutations).

Franky, Buffalo, I don’t understand your theory at all. It makes people sound like apples (cores?), super language, pristine harmonious state…it makes it look like God flicked on a light switch and in a millimillimillimillisecond everyone…no, it doesn’t make sense.

Are you actually saying that Adam’s sin is what caused deleterious mutations? What about all the deleterious mutations in non-humans?

Is this your theory? Has the Church commented on it?

 

[Marc_Anthony]

He’s also a luminary in the field of evolutionary biology. Download the book, get it from the library, &c there ware ways to get the text without giving him the royalties and it is a good book on the subject.

As is gravity and the notion that germs cause disease. Your remarks ‘make it sound as though a “theory” is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night’ (Isaac Asimov, 1980).

Point 1: Hmm, maybe. It depends. Does he go on any anti-religious rants in this book, because then I’m not interested.

Point 2: What are you talking about? I said I believed in the theory. What more do you want me to say?

Also, I find it highly unlikely that there are soulless humans running around. In fact, I would think that this contradicts Church teaching. But maybe I’m wrong.

 

[edwest2]

With all due respect, Ed, no matter how many times you deny it, one cannot *prove *anything in science.

Now please don’t discard part of my sentence (as you’ve done in the past), twist its meaning and then call it nonsense.

-----Proud to be a daughter of a plumber-----

I don’t believe that. It doesn’t make sense. I can prove gravity all I want by dropping something. In a court of law, evidence is used to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt.

Thanks to some here, I have doubts about evolution.

God bless,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

You realize that’s not true, right? A book that I think has been cited here is The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins and I highly recommend it.

Mr. Dawkins has a well known agenda, which is why I am more skeptical of scientific claims made anywhere. However, The Catholic Church has the fullness of truth. I’ll stick with the Church and Pope Benedict.

God bless,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

I wouldn’t read Richard Dawkins at all, personally. He’s an outspoken anti-religious atheist who arote that lovely gem “The God Delusion”.

I believe in evolution (the version reconciled by the Church’s doctrines and dogmas, of course). But it is not proven, it’s a theory.

Anyway, I’ve always been interested in the possiblity that perhaps there were humanoid peoples with no souls around…a large group of them, but then God imbued one man and one woman with human souls, and they formed our human race, the homo sapiens. Perhaps the rest of them were the Neanderthals, and died off during the Ice Age.

We have Neanderthal genetic material. I have no idea where the concept of other humanoids came from. It’s certainly not an idea promoted by the Church.

God bless,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

I don’t believe in evolution, but I accept it as the most cogent explanation for biodiversity on earth. I believe in God.

Plate tectonics and gravity are not proven either; they remain theories, and excellent ones.

I can prove gravity any time I want by dropping something. In a court of law, evidence is used to prove something beyond a reasonable doubt. The statement that science can’t prove anything is bogus. A nuclear bomb goes off – which proves nothing? Please. Stop this.

God bless,
Ed