Many Christians Call Mary Blessed, But how many of us, call Her Mother?

[concretecamper]

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Originally Posted by concretecamper

for God, nothing is impossible. For ALL of the early church fathers is was not a stretch. For Luther is was not a stretch. It is sad there are many Christians today that now feel it is a stretch.

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That is why I asked for some teaching of the early church saying that she was sinless…the other guy provided early church teaching of how she was honored but i was curious about the sinless idea.

“He was the ark formed of incorruptible wood. For by this is signified that His tabernacle was exempt from putridity and corruption.” Hippolytus, Orations Inillud, Dominus pascit me (ante A.D. 235).

“Thou alone and thy Mother are in all things fair, there is no flaw in thee and no stain in thy Mother.” Ephraem, Nisibene Hymns, 27:8 (A.D. 370).

“We must except the Holy Virgin Mary, concerning whom I wish to raise no question when it touches the subject of sins, out of honour to the Lord; for from Him we know what abundance of grace for overcoming sin in every particular was conferred upon her who had the merit to conceive and bear Him who undoubtedly had no sin.” Augustine, Nature and Grace,4 2[36] (A.D.415).

“As he formed her without my stain of her own, so He proceeded from her contracting no stain.” Proclus of Constantinople, Homily 1 (ante A.D. 446).

“O most blessed loins of Joachim from which came forth a spotless seed! O glorious womb of Anne in which a most holy offspring grew.” John of Damascus, Homily I (ante A.D. 749).

God bless…

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[GaryTaylor]

Thank you sir

Your welcome.

 

[chimo]

John 19: 26,27 When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. 27After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own.

Many of us Call Mary Blessed, and rightfully so, for the angel Gabriel said “Blessed art thou among woman”. And again many of us do because of what Angle Gabriel stated.

But their is someone greater than Gabriel, and that is Jesus Christ who states “Behold thy Mother”. If we listen to the angle Gabriel and call Mary Blessed why don’t many Listen to our Lord and call Mary our Mother?

Christians, if you are not calling Mary thy Mother why not?

And why don’t you take Her, as your own?

Ufam Tobie

You can only call someone “mother” when you have a relationship with this person. The fact remains if people do not have any relationship with Mary then they are not going to call her mother. However whenever anyone develops a relationship with her I am certain calling her mother will be on their lips. The key is how much time you wish to give to this relationship. It is the same principal with the Church. The Church is also our mother but for those who hardly will attend to Church this thought of the Church being a mother to them probably will be absent. Those who have a terrific relationship with their Church will never hesitate it to call it their mother. Now here I am referring to the Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church and to the Eastern Catholic Churches. It is in these Churches as well as the Coptic Churches and some more where Mary is pronounced and where the person has the opportunity to get into a relationship with her and to find this same principal with their Churches. In truth we all have three mothers for those who are Christian.

 

[trdchubi]

She’s not my mother, and my name isn’t John. And maybe, in small part, due to a rejection of the fourfold method of interpretation due to its over-creativeness in applying things at random to everyone. Jesus was talking to John, and John responded appropriately by taking Mary into his home (or unto his house). It was good and right for him to do this, and he sure did do what Jesus asked of him. So…that’s it.

Oh, me? Why am I not doing that? Again, my name isn’t John, and Mary isn’t my mother.

Please be reminded that this was the Apostle John who cowardly ran away at the garden of Gethsemane when Jesus was arrested. But John redeemed himself by accompanying the Blessed Virgin Mary at the foot of the cross, disregarding all the danger of being arrested himself and punished by death as well.

Are we not like John?

I look at this event as evidence that the Blessed Virgin is a good motivator and confidence builder. Look what Jesus did in Cana with the prompting of Mom. I like that in my mother. Unfortunately not all mothers are created the same. Fortunately God gave her to us so we can all look upon her in confidence?

If your method of interpreting the conversation was right, Jesus may have inappropriately stated his last will and made a great disservice on his legacy. I can’t imagine those spoken words on the cross, while dying in pain, was intended only for John and to no one else.

Reminds me that Jesus spoke in parables and symbolism throughout his earthly ministry.

 

[ufamtobie]

Please be reminded that this was the Apostle John who cowardly ran away at the garden of Gethsemane when Jesus was arrested. But John redeemed himself by accompanying the Blessed Virgin Mary at the foot of the cross, disregarding all the danger of being arrested himself and punished by death as well.

Are we not like John?

I look at this event as evidence that the Blessed Virgin is a good motivator and confidence builder. Look what Jesus did in Cana with the prompting of Mom. I like that in my mother. Unfortunately not all mothers are created the same. Fortunately God gave her to us so we can all look upon her in confidence?

If your method of interpreting the conversation was right, Jesus may have inappropriately stated his last will and made a great disservice on his legacy. I can’t imagine those spoken words on the cross, while dying in pain, was intended only for John and to no one else.

Reminds me that Jesus spoke in parables and symbolism throughout his earthly ministry.

Amen Amen

Ufam Tobie

 

[trdchubi]

I personally feel uncomfortable referring to Mary as my “mother” as I see no biblical warrant for the term. I see her rather as my beloved older sister in Christ - sister since we have the same Father

In terms of the biblical evidence I am convinced Mary in terms of role only, is no longer the mother of Christ.

When Jesus starts His public ministry He never refers to Mary as “mother” or “mum”, but as “woman” - a rather impersonal distancing of Himself from her.

Again in Mark 3:

*Then his mother and his brothers came; and standing outside, they sent to him and called him.
32 A crowd was sitting around him; and they said to him, “Your mother and your brothers and sisters are outside asking for you.”
33 And he replied, “**Who are my mother ***and brothers?”
34 And looking at those who sat around him, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers!
35 **Whoever **does the will of God is my brother and sister and mother”

Again it seems clear to me He’s no longer recognising Mary in her motherly role. In fact He indicates all who follow Him are His mother, sisters and brothers.

The final break appears in John 19:25- 28

Mary would undoubtedly have had that motherly instinct and feeling towards Jesus, and would have suffered as any mother would seeing her son’s suffering. What I suspect Jesus is doing here is telling her gently she has to see Him now not as her son, but as her Saviour and Lord. Look! Take John to replace me! Love him and care him like you did me!

If Sarah is called the matriarch of all Jewish people through bloodline, I do believe that all Christians (including those who deny her) have their matriarch in the person of the Blessed Virgin Mary through the Blood sacrifice of Christ on the cross.

My mother a Marian devotee, always referred to the Blessed Virgin as Mama Mary. I now simply call her my Jewish mother. A privilege given to ALL Christians by the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross. As a gentile believer, it is important to me that I have my Jewish mother interceding on my behalf.

There is a certain Jewish practice that calls for this (note that catholic traditions are deeply rooted in Jewish customs and practices). When praying, where a person in a dire predicament, such as an ill individual, he/she needs to mention his or her Hebrew name along with his/her mother’s name . The source for mentioning the name of the individual’s Jewish mother is King David’s entreaty (Psalms 116:16)

“Please, O Lord, for I am Your servant; I am Your servant the son of Your maidservant”.

It is through this little known Jewish practice that the Catholics imitated, invokes God’s favour, in the name of our Jewish mother that He would help us.

In addition to this, Mama Mary is the Queen Mother. She held the title of *Gevirah *which is given to the mothers of kings in the Old Testament. This was an institution in the Davidic kingdom. (Note that she is not the *Malkah *or Queen wife). She holds a very powerful position of being the Medriatrix to the king and his people, just like Queen Mother Bathsheba was to King Solomon (1 Kings 2:19-20).

Our Lord Jesus Christ is the ultimate King of the eternal Davidic Kingdom, obviously the Blessed Virgin Mary is the Queen Mother of that Kingdom. She intercedes for us to the King of kings and Lord of lords.

 

[ufamtobie]

Hey Ufam. Can you guess the author of this quote?

I will give you a hint: you’ve stated recently on another thread that you think he was controlled/influenced by Satan.

As Christ is my brother, Mary is my Mother.

Jon

Hi JonNC

First of all I hope and pray you are feeling better day by day after your surgery.

Yes, I do know who that author was

As you know Judas (the betrayer), was one of 12 Apostles, Scripture states the Apostles/Judas went out and among the other Apostles and cured Many in the name of Jesus while our Lord was still alive, but who Controlled/influenced Judas to betray Our Lord at the end?

Now I give you a hint: the same who controlled/influenced Martin Luther at the end, _ _ _ _ _

JohnNC, I am sure you have read the below Scriptures

Matthew 7: 21Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

JohnNC, Re: Matthew 7: Above was it the will of the Lord that there should be another Church besides the only Church Jesus Christ established over 2000 years ago? No! there should have never been another Church period, so therefore who 's will was Martin Luther following, if not the Lords? Martin Luther, did not act alone.

Luke 6: 46And why call you me, Lord, Lord; and do not the things which I say? 47Every one that cometh to me, and heareth my words, and doth them, I will shew you to whom he is like. 48He is like to a man building a house, who digged deep, and laid the foundation upon a rock. And when a flood came, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and it could not shake it; for it was founded on a rock. 49But he that heareth, and doth not, is like to a man building his house upon the earth without a foundation: against which the stream beat vehemently, and immediately it fell, and the ruin of that house was great.

JohnNC, Who is a Man building a House who digged deep, and laid the foundation on Rock? The answer is Jesus Christ, and all who does His Will. The Catholic Church is founded on Rock.

Now who is the man building his house upon earth without foundation:?

However, I don’t say Protestants are not going to heaven like** SavingGrace** Has stated to me recently in another thread that, some Catholics are not going to Heaven. The Only thing I have said is that there should of never been another church after the Catholic Church any other is one to many and not a work of God. Nor do I imply with the above bible verses that Martin Luther is not in Heaven, only God know where Martin Luther is.

Out of the many churchesss that should of never been, Jesus Christ makes good come out from it, and JohnNC you are living proof to that, you are a good man.

Oh I read your post that you sent SavingGrace saying that how I say things won’t get you to come Home… JohnNC, don’t give me that kind of power, lol I’m only saying the Truth, and saying the truth is the only way to go, no matter how much it hurts, truth is truth, and it is the truth in God that has the Power, not me.

So when are you coming Home?

Ufam Tobie

 

[JonNC]

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Hi JonNC

First of all I hope and pray you are feeling better day by day after your surgery.
Thank you kindly for this. I have had some minor set-backs, but things are going ok. Its the old “two steps forward, one step back”.

Yes, I do know who that author was

Good. Then you know that, regardless of how you feel about him, modern Catholic theologians and, yes, popes, while not entirely agreeing with him, never question his faith, his love of God.

As you know Judas (the betrayer), was one of 12 Apostles, Scripture states the Apostles/Judas went out and among the other Apostles and cured Many in the name of Jesus while our Lord was still alive, but who Controlled/influenced Judas to betray Our Lord at the end?

Now I give you a hint: the same who controlled/influenced Martin Luther at the end, _ _ _ _ _

This is your personal individual interpretation. And you know me, I know what your intentions are - not to insult or drive wedges- so I tend to overlook your style of rhetoric.
But whether of not I can overlook it, there are others who you hope to see “come home” who will take great offense that you would place Father Martin in the same category as Judas. And by taking great offense, you have, unintentionally to be sure, driven people further away from where you want them to end up.

However, I don’t say Protestants are not going to heaven like** SavingGrace**

Has stated to me recently in another thread that, some Catholics are not going to Heaven. The Only thing I have said is that there should of never been another church after the Catholic Church any other is one to many and not a work of God. Nor do I imply with the above bible verses that Martin Luther is not in Heaven, only God know where Martin Luther is.
This is good to hear. I don’t think there is any way for us to know who is, and who is not among the saints in the Church Triumphant. Just remember that when you compare Luther to Judas, there is an implication that Luther suffered the same fate as Judas.
I agree that the Church on Earth, the Church Militant, should be visibly one Church. This would make His message to the world all the stronger.

Out of the many churchesss that should of never been, Jesus Christ makes good come out from it, and JohnNC you are living proof to that, you are a good man.

Thank you.

Oh I read your post that you sent SavingGrace saying that how I say things won’t get you to come Home… JohnNC, don’t give me that kind of power, lol I’m only saying the Truth, and saying the truth is the only way to go, no matter how much it hurts, truth is truth, and it is the truth in God that has the Power, not me.

I think what I said was that it isn’t your style of apologetics that would be effective, that if I did swim the Tiber, it would be despite it.
I’ve read the following quote, and variations of it, in many place: “Truth without love is brutality, and love without truth is hypocrisy.”

So when are you coming Home?

The question regarding which part of the Church Militant I belong to remains in the hands of the Holy Spirit. If that changes, you, certainly, will know.

Jon

 

[dailey]

I always tell me children. “I am your mother here on earth but Mother Mary is your heavenly mother.”

When I gave birth to my children, I called on my Mother (heavenly) each time to help me get through labor (depite the funny looks from the nurses). She always comforted me perfectly, much more then my husband!

 

[MaryT777]

Thank you kindly for this. I have had some minor set-backs, but things are going ok. Its the old “two steps forward, one step back”.

Good. Then you know that, regardless of how you feel about him, modern Catholic theologians and, yes, popes, while not entirely agreeing with him, never question his faith, his love of God.

This is your personal individual interpretation. And you know me, I know what your intentions are - not to insult or drive wedges- so I tend to overlook your style of rhetoric.
But whether of not I can overlook it, there are others who you hope to see “come home” who will take great offense that you would place Father Martin in the same category as Judas. And by taking great offense, you have, unintentionally to be sure, driven people further away from where you want them to end up.

Mary: Jon NC I could post on some of what you’ve said and your posting style.
You have no way of knowing, whether his posting style drives people farther away or not. Some people prefer a direct approach and he is entitled to his opinion. So maybe we can stick to the topic and not the posters and whether or not their posting style drives
people away or close. YOU don’t know. Posters that find this offensive need not read it,
I enjoy his posts and don’t find them remotely unkind.

This is good to hear. I don’t think there is any way for us to know who is, and who is not among the saints in the Church Triumphant. Just remember that when you compare Luther to Judas, there is an implication that Luther suffered the same fate as Judas.
I agree that the Church on Earth, the Church Militant, should be visibly one Church. This would make His message to the world all the stronger.

Thank you.

I think what I said was that it isn’t your style of apologetics that would be effective, that if I did swim the Tiber, it would be despite it.
I’ve read the following quote, and variations of it, in many place: “Truth without love is brutality, and love without truth is hypocrisy.”

The question regarding which part of the Church Militant I belong to remains in the hands of the Holy Spirit. If that changes, you, certainly, will know.

Jon