Many God fearing Catholics don't embrace Homosexuality

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I don’t think you should make it

a homosexual practicing the lifestyle but Catholic and goes to Mass and prays and confesses, etc. is a bad Catholic and living in perpetual sin or something like that.

If a homosexual who is deeply rooted in a gay lifestyle has a moment of conversion and wants to become catholic and start to reject his lifestyle, it won’t change overnight. He may be moving towards God and falling in a deeper relationship with him. But because he was so deeply connected to that culture he has moments of weakness just like all of us. He may even go back to that lifestyle when he is a moment of weakness, but every time he does a couple days later he goes to the priest begging God for Mercy. He is working with a councilor to control his inclinations and his temptations, but it will take years for him to overcome the struggles he went through.

For a man/women like this I want them to completely leave the homosexual life style, when they fall back into it, I don’t support those actions. But this man/woman is working to overcome their tendencies they are growing in relationship with God.

I would actually argue that someone like this is more holy than someone who goes to Sunday Mass every week, goes to confession maybe monthly, but isn’t working that hard to overcome some of their perpetual sin in this life, but none create scandal in the Church.

Someone trying to leave the gay lifestyle may take a longtime to get over that, they may fall into sin and create scandal. But they are moving to God. They are also sinners and may do some very grave grave sin, but they always seek forgiveness, and through God’s grace they may leave that behind them.

My whole point to this, just because someone is in the homosexual lifestyle doesn’t mean that they aren’t good Catholics or that we shouldn’t help them.
 
Joan_M said:
Because same sex attraction is extraordinary. It is disordered. Further, sexual acts that are performed by those with SSA are more than disordered. They are totally abhorrent. Most people simply do not consider what, exactly, is done in homosexual sex. They just focus on the “love”. I simply cannot understand why people seem to blind themselves in this way.
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WOW! More than disordered? Totally abhorrent? Most people? I think most would say that the CC considers all non-marital sex acts sinful. I will leave you a thought 60 - 70% of Catholics don’t agree with your opinion. But keep pushing it, its great PR.
 
WilT said:
I believe that those who engage in a homosexual lifestyle as a Catholic would be living a highly morally and questionable lifestyle which can only invite the potential of causing grave sin to themselves and possibly even to their partners. I also believe many God fearing Catholics will agree to this.
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ALL **God fearing **Catholics agree to this.
 
captainrick said:
Agreed. “God-fearing” is an archaic term.
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No, it isn’t. It is one of the seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit.

It’s in the Catechism which is hardly an archaic document.
1831 The seven gifts of the Holy Spirit are wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, **and fear of the Lord. **They belong in their fullness to Christ, Son of David.109 They complete and perfect the virtues of those who receive them. They make the faithful docile in readily obeying divine inspirations.
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frobert said:
WOW! More than disordered? Totally abhorrent? Most people? I think most would say that the CC considers all non-marital sex acts sinful. I will leave you a thought 60 - 70% of Catholics don’t agree with your opinion. But keep pushing it, its great PR.
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It’s not an opinion. It’s the truth, no matter what percentage of Catholics agree with it. The homosexual act is disordered and abhorrent. It is one of the sins that cries out to heaven.
 
coachdennis said:
We had this topic/issue as a family discussion at an extended family reunion (why does the CHurch seem obsessed with gay sex and passes over other sexual sins). The consensus:

Because most of the people who write the :big checks" to the parish building fund, etc. have straight sons and daughters who engage in cohabitation, children out of wedlock, etc.,and most priests will wink and nod so not to offend and stop the money from coming.

Now, most people on these forums may say that’s not true – but that is a view shared by many average people in the pews. Their argument – when was the last time you heard a sermon about birth control, sex before marriage, cohabitation? Sad, cynical, and remember perception for many IS reality
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When was the last time i heard a HOMILY about gay stuff? Never. It’s implied.

And you need to tell your family that they are wrong. It’s isnt as if the priest or bishop is personally taking these cheques from these people. How is it, then, that they are in a position to “wink and nod” just to get the money? Even then, it’s not as if it’s THEIR money! They are not Joel Olsteen sitting on a mountain of money.

My family can be the same way. But it’s an ignorant point of view based on God knows what lies are told in the media and movies. By and large, priests are poor men living simple lives with no financial ambitions and little involvement in ingoring Joe Moneybags kids’ lives.
 
frobert said:
WOW! More than disordered? Totally abhorrent? Most people? I think most would say that the CC considers all non-marital sex acts sinful. I will leave you a thought 60 - 70% of Catholics don’t agree with your opinion. But keep pushing it, its great PR.
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It doesn’t matter what 60-70% of Catholics believe. Read what the Word of God says:
Leviticus 20: 10 - 27.
Romans 1 : 24 - 30
1 Corinth. 6 : 9
 
on_the_hill said:
I don’t **embrace **it at all.

It’s not now, nor has it ever been a matter of *embracing *it. I hope none of my kids grows up to be gay. For many reasons I hope this, not only for the “Catholic” reasons.

But let’s just say my son grows up to be gay. If I continue to love him as a father loves a son, would that mean I am embracing homosexuality?

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It’s very simple…if we follow the example of Jesus, we are to love the sinner but not the sin. :hug3:
 
DaddyGirl said:
And…you believe this as well for those who engage in an (unmarried) heterosexual lifestyle, right?

But…also, for those who engage in a married homosexual lifestyle, yes?

(when you say “lifestyle”…do you mean, “have sex”? I don’t think you mean the official dictionary meaning of the word, right

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The first two points make absolutely no sense. First of all from a catholic perspective which is what the OP means, there is no such thing as married homosexual lifestyle. Marriage is only between a man and a woman and marriage between two people of the same sex is impossible. In consequence any homosexual acts are and will be sinful. Maybe cafeteria catholic won’t agree with that but under the cathecism is like that.

Second, sex outside of marriage is also sinful and also formication. So what is the point of your question?

Obviously the lifestyle that the OP is referring is at a homosexual couple trying to equate a marriage relationship or trying to equate homosexual acts as the same as married heterosexual acts.
 
christus_vincit said:
It’s not an opinion. It’s the truth, no matter what percentage of Catholics agree with it. The homosexual act is disordered and abhorrent. It is one of the sins that cries out to heaven.
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While true, this is the language that your opponents will refer to and quote and win the emotional battle. “See, Christus and Catholics think gays are abhorrent.”

If the Church needs to change anything, it’s in how it’s flock expresses God’s truth. We are blessed with many excellent apologists who manager to capture His truth with clarity and charity. We should learn from them. We will never win over the masses with venom.
 
Zachary said:
While true, this is the language that your opponents will refer to and quote and win the emotional battle. “See, Christus and Catholics think gays are abhorrent.”

If the Church needs to change anything, it’s in how it’s flock expresses God’s truth. We are blessed with many excellent apologists who manager to capture His truth with clarity and charity. We should learn from them. We will never win over the masses with venom.
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God considers all the evil things, “abhorrent.”

Leviticus 20 : 23
 
Zachary said:
While true, this is the language that your opponents will refer to and quote and win the emotional battle. “See, Christus and Catholics think gays are abhorrent.”

If the Church needs to change anything, it’s in how it’s flock expresses God’s truth. We are blessed with many excellent apologists who manager to capture His truth with clarity and charity. We should learn from them. We will never win over the masses with venom.
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I never said gays were abhorrent. I said the homosexual act is abhorrent. To say otherwise is to water down the truth. Sorry if that stings, but it is true. ALL sin is abhorrent in the eyes of God.
 
christus_vincit said:
It’s not an opinion. It’s the truth, no matter what percentage of Catholics agree with it. The homosexual act is disordered and abhorrent. It is one of the sins that cries out to heaven.
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Does adultery cry out to heaven? How about child abuse? Pornography and masturbation?
Why don’t we go round reminding everyone they are committing abhorrent acts, so that we might be sure we are speaking “the truth”.:rolleyes:
 
clem456 said:
Does adultery cry out to heaven? How about child abuse? Pornography and masturbation?
Why don’t we go round reminding everyone they are committing abhorrent acts, so that we might be sure we are speaking “the truth”.:rolleyes:
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From the CCC:

1867 The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are “sins that cry to heaven”: the blood of Abel,139 the sin of the Sodomites,140 the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt,141 the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan,142 injustice to the wage earner.143

Does that answer your question?
 
clem456 said:
Does adultery cry out to heaven? How about child abuse? Pornography and masturbation?
Why don’t we go round reminding everyone they are committing abhorrent acts, so that we might be sure we are speaking “the truth”.:rolleyes:
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Why must posters spell everything out :confused:

Of course adultery, etc. are included. That’s why it takes so much time on this website…people want you to write a novel covering every condition!

I’m considering leaving this forum. It’s getting like the baiters on yahoo! :eek:
 
truetofaith said:
Why must posters spell everything out :confused:
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Because apparently it needs to be spelled out. If posters spent as much time on their own sanctification as they do pointing out everyone else’s abhorrence we might spread the Gospel more effectively.

The “sins that cry out” is not an exclusive list of sins that exhort us to point out everyone else’s abhorrence as worse than our own.
 
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