Many Protestants argue "How can this man give us his flesh to eat."

[Prodigal_Son1]

I have read both of your posts.
You say in this post that “There was only one sacrifice for all.”
I agree with that.

The RCC Mass is called the “Sacrifice of the Mass”.
That must mean that there is a present sacrifice when the Mass is performed.
I have read that the RCC priest calls Jesus from Heaven to become the bread and then Jesus is offered to the Father as a Sacrifice. The Mass participants also offer themselves along with Jesus. I have tried to be as clear as I can in explaining what my understanding is on this matter. Could someone clearly correct or confirm that understanding?
If Jesus is a present Sacrifice to the Father in the Mass, then how or in what manner is Jesus understood to be that Sacrifice?
Thank you.

Please read the following explanation of the Mass as explained in Wikipedia.

The Council of Trent reaffirmed traditional Christian teaching that the Mass is the same Sacrifice of Calvary offered in an unbloody manner: “The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different. And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner… this sacrifice is truly propitiatory” (Doctrina de ss. Missae sacrificio, c. 2, quoted in Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1367). The Council declared that Jesus instituted the Mass at his Last Supper: “He offered up to God the Father His own body and blood under the species of bread and wine; and, under the symbols of those same things, He delivered (His own body and blood) to be received by His apostles, whom He then constituted priests of the New Testament; and by those words, Do this in commemoration of me, He commanded them and their successors in the priesthood, to offer (them); even as the Catholic Church has always understood and taught.”[2]

I’d be interested in knowing your comments or questions of my post on the early Church fathers.

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

 

[wisdomseeker]

I’m glad you brought up the sacrifice part of Communion again.

Does the RCC have an explanation of how Jesus, now having a resurrected glorified and immortal body, can be sacrificed as He was when He had a mortal body that could be sacrificed?

An immortal glorified body can not be sacrificed or it would not be a glorified immortal body. That presents quite a problem if Communion is a sacrifice.

Protestants learned to question everything that Jesus taught, catholics do not.
we have no reason to doubt the Church’s teaching.
you expect catholics to explain everything to your understanding, we cannot. Who can know the mind of God?

Jesus said it. we believe it and that is final.

you can choose to believe it or not. aparently you chose not to. now you want us to come up with prove so you can believe it. this is impossible. catholics live by faith and not by sight.

only God can show you His Truth and not us. Please ask Him.

***“I should not believe the Gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church.”
Saint Augustine (354-430), Against the Letter of Mani, 5,6, 397 A.D… ***

 

[anthony022071]

brkn1:

I’m glad you brought up the sacrifice part of Communion again.

Does the RCC have an explanation of how Jesus, now having a resurrected glorified and immortal body, can be sacrificed as He was when He had a mortal body that could be sacrificed?

An immortal glorified body can not be sacrificed or it would not be a glorified immortal body. That presents quite a problem if Communion is a sacrifice.

The sacrifice of the mass is a vicarious sacrifice. We participate in Christ’s sacrifice for us. We partake of himself. It is true communion with him,and it binds the Church in communion in him,to make up the Body of Christ. He draws men to himself by way of the Eucharist. In the Eucharist,Christ’s sacrifice is continually present wherever the Church is. Without the Real Presence in the bread and wine,Christ’s sacrifice is a historical event that we do not partake in. If he is not present in the Eucharist,then there is no gift of himself in the bread and wine,and we have no real partaking in his body and blood.

therealpresence.org/eucharst/realpres/a12.html

POST-SYNODAL
APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION
SACRAMENTUM CARITATIS
OF THE HOLY FATHER
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS, CLERGY,
CONSECRATED PERSONS
AND THE LAY FAITHFUL
ON THE EUCHARIST
AS THE SOURCE AND SUMMIT
OF THE CHURCH’S LIFE AND MISSION

1. The sacrament of charity (1), the Holy Eucharist is the gift that Jesus Christ makes of himself, thus revealing to us God’s infinite love for every man and woman. This wondrous sacrament makes manifest that “greater” love which led him to “lay down his life for his friends” (Jn 15:13). Jesus did indeed love them “to the end” (Jn 13:1). In those words the Evangelist introduces Christ’s act of immense humility: before dying for us on the Cross, he tied a towel around himself and washed the feet of his disciples. In the same way, Jesus continues, in the sacrament of the Eucharist, to love us “to the end,” even to offering us his body and his blood. What amazement must the Apostles have felt in witnessing what the Lord did and said during that Supper! What wonder must the eucharistic mystery also awaken in our own hearts!

…By his command to “do this in remembrance of me” (Lk 22:19; 1 Cor 11:25), he asks us to respond to his gift and to make it sacramentally present. In these words the Lord expresses, as it were, his expectation that the Church, born of his sacrifice, will receive this gift, developing under the guidance of the Holy Spirit the liturgical form of the sacrament. The remembrance of his perfect gift consists not in the mere repetition of the Last Supper, but in the Eucharist itself, that is, in the radical newness of Christian worship. In this way, Jesus left us the task of entering into his “hour.” “The Eucharist draws us into Jesus’ act of self-oblation. More than just statically receiving the incarnate Logos, we enter into the very dynamic of his self-giving.” (21) Jesus “draws us into himself.” (22)

 

[wisdomseeker]

The sacrifice of the mass is a vicarious sacrifice. We participate in Christ’s sacrifice for us. We partake of himself. It is true communion with him,and it binds the Church in communion in him,to make up the Body of Christ. He draws men to himself by way of the Eucharist. In the Eucharist,Christ’s sacrifice is continually present wherever the Church is. Without the Real Presence in the bread and wine,Christ’s sacrifice is a historical event that we do not partake in. If he is not present in the Eucharist,then there is no gift of himself in the bread and wine,and we have no real partaking in his body and blood.

therealpresence.org/eucharst/realpres/a12.html

POST-SYNODAL
APOSTOLIC EXHORTATION
SACRAMENTUM CARITATIS
OF THE HOLY FATHER
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS, CLERGY,
CONSECRATED PERSONS
AND THE LAY FAITHFUL
ON THE EUCHARIST
AS THE SOURCE AND SUMMIT
OF THE CHURCH’S LIFE AND MISSION

1. The sacrament of charity (1), the Holy Eucharist is the gift that Jesus Christ makes of himself, thus revealing to us God’s infinite love for every man and woman. This wondrous sacrament makes manifest that “greater” love which led him to “lay down his life for his friends” (Jn 15:13). Jesus did indeed love them “to the end” (Jn 13:1). In those words the Evangelist introduces Christ’s act of immense humility: before dying for us on the Cross, he tied a towel around himself and washed the feet of his disciples. In the same way, Jesus continues, in the sacrament of the Eucharist, to love us “to the end,” even to offering us his body and his blood. What amazement must the Apostles have felt in witnessing what the Lord did and said during that Supper! What wonder must the eucharistic mystery also awaken in our own hearts!

…By his command to “do this in remembrance of me” (Lk 22:19; 1 Cor 11:25), he asks us to respond to his gift and to make it sacramentally present. In these words the Lord expresses, as it were, his expectation that the Church, born of his sacrifice, will receive this gift, developing under the guidance of the Holy Spirit the liturgical form of the sacrament. The remembrance of his perfect gift consists not in the mere repetition of the Last Supper, but in the Eucharist itself, that is, in the radical newness of Christian worship. In this way, Jesus left us the task of entering into his “hour.” “The Eucharist draws us into Jesus’ act of self-oblation. More than just statically receiving the incarnate Logos, we enter into the very dynamic of his self-giving.” (21) Jesus “draws us into himself.” (22)

This is what it means when Jesus said:" I will be with you always." I will not leave you orphans."

 

[Hisalone]

This is what it means when Jesus said:" I will be with you always." I will not leave you orphans."

No it isnt.
Jesus said He would send a helper, it is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ who is with us continually

 

[Hisalone]

Man’s interpretation of Scripture does not interest me nearly as much as simply reading God’s Word. Even if I agree with what someone teaches, it does not hold the authority of truth that only comes out of Scripture. God’s Word is not that difficult to understand. There are parts that are difficult, but that is what makes the Bible such a wonderful and inexhaustible source of study. The simple Gospel is not hard to understand at all, unless we allow someone “wise” to complicate it, which many do. It seems that the more learned and “wise” men are prone to mess up what God’s Wisdom already puts forth clearly.
It always makes me wonder when people say that God’s Word is difficult to understand.

Let no man teach you. “I will send you the Spirit of Truth to lead you to all truth”.

 

[Hisalone]

In John 6 there is not one apostltle that believed in transubstansiation. None had any idea what Jesus was tlking about but stayed with Jesus because they believed in Him.

I stay wit Jesus because I beleive in Him.

 

[Bwsherman]

In John 6 there is not one apostltle that believed in transubstansiation. None had any idea what Jesus was tlking about but stayed with Jesus because they believed in Him.

I stay wit Jesus because I beleive in Him.

I am sorry to say, but this does not line up with what the scriptures says:

[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."
[52] The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
[53] So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
[54] he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55] For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56] He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.
[57] As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me.
[58] This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever.”
[59] This he said in the synagogue, as he taught at Caper’na-um.
[60] Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”

Verse 60 clearly shows that they understood him to be stating that they must eat His flesh, and drink His blood. And Jesus even asks them, “Do you take offense at this?” There was an obvious reaction by his disciples about his statment. If, as you say, Jesus was only being figurative or symbolic, then why did the disciples think it was a ‘hard saying’ and then after that leave? If it was only a symbol, what was so ‘hard’ about it?

Maybe the apostles did not yet understand transubstantiation, but they had no knowledge of the interworking of the Trinity, the hypostatic union of Jesus as the God-man, or any number of other Christian doctrine that you take for granted. That does not make those beliefs any less true or transubstantiation any less real.

 

[Hisalone]

I am sorry to say, but this does not line up with what the scriptures says:

[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."
[52] The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
[53] So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
[54] he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55] For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56] He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.
[57] As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me.
[58] This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever.”
[59] This he said in the synagogue, as he taught at Caper’na-um.
[60] Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?”

Verse 60 clearly shows that they understood him to be stating that they must eat His flesh, and drink His blood. And Jesus even asks them, “Do you take offense at this?” There was an obvious reaction by his disciples about his statment. If, as you say, Jesus was only being figurative or symbolic, then why did the disciples think it was a ‘hard saying’ and then after that leave? If it was only a symbol, what was so ‘hard’ about it?

Maybe the apostles did not yet understand transubstantiation, but they had no knowledge of the interworking of the Trinity, the hypostatic union of Jesus as the God-man, or any number of other Christian doctrine that you take for granted. That does not make those beliefs any less true or transubstantiation any less real.

So you are saying the apostles understood Jesus to be saying they must eat HIs body and drink His blood?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Let no man teach you. “I will send you the Spirit of Truth to lead you to all truth”.

Please explain how the Spirit of Truth leads all to truth yet there are many differences as evident in all the denominations and schisms?

1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing and that there be no schisms among you: but that you be perfect in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have that are not of this fold: them also I must bring. And they shall hear my voice: And there shall be one fold and one shepherd.

Also, have you read through this thread? I just think it would be nice as opposed to us repeating or copying and pasting everything again.

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Let no man teach you. “I will send you the Spirit of Truth to lead you to all truth”.

Please explain how the Spirit of Truth leads all to truth yet there are many differences as evident in all the denominations and schisms?

1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing and that there be no schisms among you: but that you be perfect in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have that are not of this fold: them also I must bring. And they shall hear my voice: And there shall be one fold and one shepherd.

Also, have you read through this thread? I just think it would be nice as opposed to us repeating or copying and pasting everything again.

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Let no man teach you. “I will send you the Spirit of Truth to lead you to all truth”.

Please explain how the Spirit of Truth leads all to truth yet there are many differences as evident in all the denominations and schisms?

1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing and that there be no schisms among you: but that you be perfect in the same mind and in the same judgment.

Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have that are not of this fold: them also I must bring. And they shall hear my voice: And there shall be one fold and one shepherd.

Also, have you read through this thread? I just think it would be nice as opposed to us repeating or copying and pasting everything again.

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

 

[brkn1]

The sacrifice of the mass is a vicarious sacrifice. We participate in Christ’s sacrifice for us. We partake of himself. It is true communion with him,and it binds the Church in communion in him,to make up the Body of Christ. He draws men to himself by way of the Eucharist. In the Eucharist,Christ’s sacrifice is continually present wherever the Church is. Without the Real Presence in the bread and wine,Christ’s sacrifice is a historical event that we do not partake in. If he is not present in the Eucharist,then there is no gift of himself in the bread and wine,and we have no real partaking in his body and blood.

What you have said in this paragraph is that the Mass is an additional and a substitute sacrifice for the one and only sacrifice that Jesus did to redeem us from our sins on Calvary.
It is the same thing as saying that Christ’s sacrifice was not completely sufficient in itself to save those who come to Him as a born again believer in Christ.

Christ’s sacrifice is most definitely a historical event that was concluded when He said, “It is finished!”.
We can only partake in the result of that sacrifice, which is the eternal salvation that is given by God to those who believe and thereby receive that salvation. This gift of salvation is the most wonderful and permanent gift that we could ever receive. It needs no additions to be such a great gift. We can not add anything to that sacrifical gift either, since that would be the same as saying that it was not a gift of God only. Breaking bread in communion with other believers, as Jesus showed us, is how we remember and thank Jesus and the Father for such a wonderful gift.

 

[ufamtobie]

The original Greek of the NT seems to confirm it’s the literal body and blood. Just look at the Jewish passover that foreshadowed the communion servic. The literal body and blood of the lamb was used.

Oh so then you believe in the True Presence of the body and Blood of Jesus Christ and that it is not a symbol?

Ufamtobie

 

[anthony022071]

[brkn1]

What you have said in this paragraph is that the Mass is an additional and a substitute sacrifice for the one and only sacrifice that Jesus did to redeem us from our sins on Calvary.
It is the same thing as saying that Christ’s sacrifice was not completely sufficient in itself to save those who come to Him as a born again believer in Christ.

Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was a blood sacrifice,according to the Jewish law,where animals were slaughtered. There is no longer a need for the sacrifices of the Jewish law. That is all that Paul meant when he said it was a “once for all” sacrifice.

The sacrifice of the mass is not an animal sacrifice,it is a participation in Christ’s sacrifice.

Christ’s sacrifice is most definitely a historical event that was concluded when He said, “It is finished!”.
We can only partake in the result of that sacrifice, which is the eternal salvation that is given by God to those who believe and thereby receive that salvation.

The result of the sacrifice is also the Eucharist. We receive salvation not by faith alone,but by participation in the divine nature – through the Eucharist and by following the commandments.

This gift of salvation is the most wonderful and permanent gift that we could ever receive. It needs no additions to be such a great gift.

Grace is the gift which leads to salvation,remember? Grace is divine help for perseverance in following God’s commandments. It is not a guarantee of eternal salvation. Paul wrote that unless we continue in God’s mercy,we may be cut off from salvation.

We can not add anything to that sacrifical gift either, since that would be the same as saying that it was not a gift of God only.

We must add ourselves to Christ’s sacrifice. If we don’t,then we may render his sacrifice null and void for ourselves. We are saved by remaining with him,so that he remains in us. He desires that we become part of his body,not that we remain at a distance,praising him with our lips.

Breaking bread in communion with other believers, as Jesus showed us, is how we remember and thank Jesus and the Father for such a wonderful gift.

The Eucharist is about participation in Jesus’ body and blood,not merely a thankgiving dinner.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

The Old Testament prefigures the New Testament.

Just as Adam failed to follow God’s Will, Jesus submitted to God’s will. Because Adam failed he was not allowed to eat of the tree of life. As Jesus submitted totally to God’s will, He became the tree of life through the Eucharist.

Adam and Eve were deceived into thinking they would become like God…

Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil.

Just as today, alot of people allow themselves to be deceived, thinking they are following the correct path to God…

There’s one particular verse in the Old Testament that comes to my mind that specifically prefigures the Eucharist.

Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts.

ob·la·tion (-blshn, -bl-)
n.

1. The act of offering something, such as worship or thanks, to a deity.
2. Oblation
   a. The act of offering the bread and wine of the Eucharist.
   b. Something offered, especially the bread and wine of the Eucharist.
3. A charitable offering or gift.

It seems common sense to Catholics to accept communion, afterall this practice has been going on for 2000 years now as evident in the Bible and the early Church fathers. I presented writings of early Church fathers from the first century in a previous post.

Even Martin Luther who started protestantism through the reformation believed in the Eucharist.

In 1529 Martin Luther engaged the question of transubstantiation in the famous conference at Marburg with Zwingli and other Swiss theologians; he maintained his view that Christ is present in the bread and wine of the Eucharist.

John Calvin believed in the Eucharist.

Sacraments (baptism and the Eucharist) should be celebrated as mysteries in which Christ is spiritually present; in the Eucharist he believed that Christ is present both symbolically and by his spiritual power, which is imparted by his body in heaven to the souls of believers as they partake of the Eucharist.

Protestants who are afraid to look into their own church history may not know these are their “early” church fathers, dating back to the early 1500s.

These schisms were directly against the teaching of the apostles themselves.

**1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing and that there be no schisms among you: but that you be perfect in the same mind and in the same judgment. **

Now there are thousands of denominations, all created through the reformation which taught protestants that all they needed was private interpretations. There are new denominations springing up all the time. Calvary Chapel church was established in 1965. How can anyone think that God would abandon all people from the time of his death until 1965?

Until they look at history, even the short lived history of protestantism, they’re not going to be open to listening to Catholics. In my opinion, avoiding history is allowing one’s self to be deceived. It amazes me that most protestants don’t even know their own church history. They seem to blindly follow whatever their pastor tells them rather than look into it for themselves.

I posted this more for Catholics who have been with me in this circular argument as it appears it’s too much for protestants to absorb. When they don’t respond, it can’t be anything more than they don’t know how to respond because they don’t have an answer or they are too obstinate to really review the information being provided by a Catholic.

We as men, cannot cause someone to “open” their hearts to the truth. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. We need to pray for them to know there’s more to seeking God than a “good feeling”.

Just my :twocents:

May the peace of the Lord be with you all,
Prodigal Son1

 

[Bwsherman]

So you are saying the apostles understood Jesus to be saying they must eat HIs body and drink His blood?

I am not saying they understood in the sense that I understand 2 + 2 = 4, but that is why Peter responds to Jesus when He asks:

[67] Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away?”
[68] Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life;
[69] and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”

In other words Peter is stating, “Lord, we may not understand what you mean, but we believe you to be the ‘Holy One of God’ and will take you at your word.”

No one can truly understand the mystery of the Eucharist, but that is why we put our faith into work with the reason that God has bestowed to us. That is why it is called a sacrament. Sacrament being derived from the Greek mysterion which means mystery.

 

[brkn1]

[brkn1]

Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was a blood sacrifice,according to the Jewish law,where animals were slaughtered. There is no longer a need for the sacrifices of the Jewish law. That is all that Paul meant when he said it was a “once for all” sacrifice.

The sacrifice of the mass is not an animal sacrifice,it is a participation in Christ’s sacrifice.

I agree that there is no need for the sacrifices of the Jewish law.
There is the need for the shedding of blood for the remission of sins though. That happened when Jesus died for our sins “once for all”. We receive that remission once we accept and believe in Jesus and what He did for us at Calvary.
When Jesus said, “It is finished!”, that was it. There is no further sacrifice of any sort that can remit our sins. The old Jewish system of sacrificially shedding animal blood, as a temporary method instituted by God, was abolished at Christ’s death. The veil of the temple being ripped from top to bottom signified that abolishment.
Jesus’ one perfect and complete sacrifice did it all. His precious once-shed blood is sufficient for all eternity. There is no need for adding more to that sacrifice on anyone else’s part. Something perfect and complete would be ruined by any additions.

The result of the sacrifice is also the Eucharist. We receive salvation not by faith alone,but by participation in the divine nature – through the Eucharist and by following the commandments.

We can not participate in the actual sacrifice with Jesus. We are not the required perfect sacrifice as Jesus was/is. It has to be a perfect sacrifice or the Father would not have accepted it. We would ruin the sacrifice if we were included. Jesus had to be our substitute to make it work. Jesus being our substitute means we are not a part of the actual sacrifice. That is what is meant by substitute.

Grace is the gift which leads to salvation,remember? Grace is divine help for perseverance in following God’s commandments. It is not a guarantee of eternal salvation. Paul wrote that unless we continue in God’s mercy,we may be cut off from salvation.

Incomplete grace would mean that God’s gift of grace is incomplete.
Grace is a gift of God. A work on our part necessary to complete that grace would make grace an “incomplete gift” of God. The bible does not suport that idea. See Romans.

We must add ourselves to Christ’s sacrifice. If we don’t,then we may render his sacrifice null and void for ourselves. We are saved by remaining with him,so that he remains in us. He desires that we become part of his body,not that we remain at a distance,praising him with our lips.
The Eucharist is about participation in Jesus’ body and blood,not merely a thankgiving dinner.

We automatically become part of Jesus’ body in His Church, once we accept and believe in Jesus and what He did for us. We get further sealed by the indwelling Holy Spirit to confirm that becoming a child of God in the Beloved (Jesus).
We can not “add ourselves” by our will etc. to God’s work of salvation.
“But as many as received Him, to them gave He the power (right or authority) to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name:”
“Which were born, not of the blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:12-13)

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

When Jesus said, “It is finished!”, that was it. There is no further sacrifice of any sort that can remit our sins. The old Jewish system of sacrificially shedding animal blood, as a temporary method instituted by God, was abolished at Christ’s death. The veil of the temple being ripped from top to bottom signified that abolishment.
Jesus’ one perfect and complete sacrifice did it all. His precious once-shed blood is sufficient for all eternity. There is no need for adding more to that sacrifice on anyone else’s part. Something perfect and complete would be ruined by any additions.

It’s evident you don’t realize that building up to the crucifixion Jesus was celebrating the Passover with his apostles. Christ skipped a very important part of the Passover feast that He held off on until he was on the cross.

Please read this one page article on the Passover to understand what was happening and what Jesus meant when He said, “It is finished”. This article was written by former Calvinist theologian, Scott Hahn.

You will also see what Jesus meant when He prayed, (Mat 26:39) “And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

Scott will reference several scriptures that relate directly to the Mass as it’s celebrated in the Catholic Church, including Christ’s sacrifice and the Eucharist.

Also, assuming you’re willing to discuss scriptures surrounding the crucifixion, Please tell me what you think Christ meant when he said, (Mat 27:46) “And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lamma sabacthani? That is, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?”.

May the peace of the Lord be with you.
Prodigal Son1

 

[brkn1]

Also, assuming you’re willing to discuss scriptures surrounding the crucifixion, Please tell me what you think Christ meant when he said, (Mat 27:46) “And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lamma sabacthani? That is, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?”.

I will answer your other questions later after studying the links you gave.

I am very willing to discuss scripture surrounding the crucifixion, such as the above quote.

Jesus’ words to His Father are proof of just how serious and enormous the wrath of God was against the sin of the world that Jesus Christ had to bear for us sinners as our substitute.
Jesus had to endure an infinitely extreme pressure of suffering to pay the price required by a Holy God to atone for (make reparation for) the world’s sin.
The great debt was paid in full at Jesus’ death. All who come to Jesus in true faith will no longer be under the penalty of God’s wrath. All who came to God in true faith, before that, are also freed from the same penalty. All salvation from the penalty of all human sin in all time is based on what Jesus did as He sacrificed Himself to pay for mankind’s sin.
The extreme penalty of God’s wrath and anger against sin was so great, that Jesus must have felt a sense of total abandonment by even His Father, as He had the iniquity of us all placed upon Himself as our substitute. We can never truly understand how great Jesus’ suffering was as He payed that great price for our sin. God’s extreme love for us is shown by what Jesus suffered. God’s extreme glory as our Saviour is also evident there too. How great and loving is our Holy and Perfect God and Saviour.