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Things like inclusivity are out the window when the organizers disinvited pro-life groups. That’s not being open to dialogue or being inclusive. The sisters were invited because they choose to turn their respective gaze on something other than life issues. To me, it’s fine to focus efforts on other important issues but it’s in violation of Church teaching and doctrine not to oppose abortion or to collaborate with it. Going to a march that rejected pro-life groups, featured anti-Catholic rhetoric, vile speeches, etc. and saying that they don’t care or mind the message it sends is quite troubling.

If you’re posting this thinking it will send a message to Catholics that this is okay, I am afraid you’ll fail. There are plenty of nuns who do things, even support things, that are anathema and antithetical to Church teaching.

I love the article stating that Planned Parenthood is the “target” of pro-life groups. Gee, why is that?
I deleted and then reposted the article about the Catholic sisters as examples of attendees who as Gracepoole explained earlier, were there to focus on other issues. In this case Catholic religious.

PP is a target because beyond the many healthcare services they provide, they also perform abortions and regardless of the small percentage that abortion may be of what they do, and regardless that they are forbidden to use federal funding for abortion, groups still target them.
 
LGBT rights being rolled back, destroying public education via DeVos, eliminating the ACA with nothing concrete to replace it, refusing to acknowledge climate change, etc.
My own observations are that this fear has been largely created and propogated by extreme partisans in the media and the blogosphere. Quite honestly, I never once heard Trump say he was going to roll back same sex marriage and that can be the only right to which you are referring because there are no permissible discriminations in hiring or providing services to LGBT people. What he has promised is that he will ensure religious liberty is protected. To take it a step further, I kind of wonder if the LGBT advocates are primarily concerned that the aggressiveness, scorn and contempt with which they have attacked those they perceive as their enemies may be returned in kind. I hope not. Sincerely.

Destroying public education is more hyperbole. Giving parents a choice to get out of public schools that may be failing–and those are legion–is not about destroying public education, it’s about giving kids the opportunities they deserve.

If people actually listen to the sober minded policy makers discussing this, they will again realize that there is no appetite or intent to have coverage terminated for those whose coverage would end with a broad repel of the ACA. There will be a mechanism, whether the right likes it or not, for ensuring that doesn’t happen.

Finally, this notion of refusal to acknowledge climate change is very tired and false. It’s not about denying it, it’s the argument over the cause, what can be done about it and what the trade offs are between jobs and regulations.
 
Things like inclusivity are out the window when the organizers disinvited pro-life groups. That’s not being open to dialogue or being inclusive. The sisters were invited because they choose to turn their respective gaze on something other than life issues. To me, it’s fine to focus efforts on other important issues but it’s in violation of Church teaching and doctrine not to oppose abortion or to collaborate with it. Going to a march that rejected pro-life groups, featured anti-Catholic rhetoric, vile speeches, etc. and saying that they don’t care or mind the message it sends is quite troubling.
That’s not what they said:
Dozens of organizations are sponsoring the Women’s March, including environmental and educational groups such as the Sierra Club and Girls Who Code. Planned Parenthood, a nonprofit organization often targeted by pro-life groups, is also an official sponsor. Campbell, De Quattro, Battista and Desautels said they do not have a problem with pro-choice organizations sponsoring the event.
All four sisters said they welcome the open dialogue among people with different beliefs.
“If anything, our presence will lift up the full aspect of all of life,” Campbell said. “That’s who we are, that’s what we’re about. The idea that you can’t talk to people who have a different perspective in a democracy … that, to me, is wrong. We’ve got to engage, and that’s why we’re going.
(emphasis added)
 
Does that mean that a priest who places an aborted fetus on an altar during Mass speaks for the pro-life movement? (I hope not. If it does, I guess I don’t belong to that group anymore 😦 )
Did he do this to cheers of thousands holding signs of support? Did they invite him to speak for them - was he advocating bombing a public building?

Do you really want to equate the March for women where **literally thousands of people **marched shouting vulgarities, wearing clothes representing vulgar language, holding signs with vulgar pictures and words, where one of the primary reasons for their March was the continued killing of the unborn, who listened and cheered and applauded speeches laced with profanity and advocating violence … with the actions of one person and say they both equally represent their respective “movements”

Because I see a huge difference …

After saying they invited ALL WOMEN - they UN-INVITED Pro-Life groups … because Abortion - continued abortion and wanting Tax payer funding was a major reason for this March - supported by THOUSANDS carrying placards laced with profanity, shouting vulgarities speaks for those marching with them being in support of that message of hate, and vulgarity … cheering someone like Madonna using the language she used means support - does it not?
 
Did he do this to cheers of thousands holding signs of support? Did they invite him to speak for them - was he advocating bombing a public building?

Do you really want to equate the March for women where **literally thousands of people **marched shouting vulgarities, wearing clothes representing vulgar language, holding signs with vulgar pictures and words, where one of the primary reasons for their March was the continued killing of the unborn, who listened and cheered and applauded speeches laced with profanity and advocating violence … with the actions of one person and say they both equally represent their respective “movements”

Because I see a huge difference …

After saying they invited ALL WOMEN - they UN-INVITED Pro-Life groups … because Abortion - continued abortion and wanting Tax payer funding was a major reason for this March - supported by THOUSANDS carrying placards laced with profanity, shouting vulgarities speaks for those marching with them being in support of that message of hate, and vulgarity … cheering someone like Madonna using the language she used means support - does it not?
That priest acted on behalf of a national organization and plenty (and I mean plenty) of pro-lifers supported his action.

I don’t care about vulgarities or profanity on signs, t-shirts, or what have you. Sorry.
 
Did he do this to cheers of thousands holding signs of support? Did they invite him to speak for them - was he advocating bombing a public building?

Do you really want to equate the March for women where **literally thousands of people **marched shouting vulgarities, wearing clothes representing vulgar language, holding signs with vulgar pictures and words, where one of the primary reasons for their March was the continued killing of the unborn, who listened and cheered and applauded speeches laced with profanity and advocating violence … with the actions of one person and say they both equally represent their respective “movements”

Because I see a huge difference …

After saying they invited ALL WOMEN - they UN-INVITED Pro-Life groups … because Abortion - continued abortion and wanting Tax payer funding was a major reason for this March - supported by THOUSANDS carrying placards laced with profanity, shouting vulgarities speaks for those marching with them being in support of that message of hate, and vulgarity … cheering someone like Madonna using the language she used means support - does it not?
If you want to judge one group of people by a subset, should not you accept it when people judge groups you like by a violent or vulgar subset?

I do not support abortion. That being said, I do not want to be associated with the murder of Dr. Tiller. I support gun ownership. That being said, I want nothing to with Ted Nugent. I am sure you can think of several people that support the same beliefs you do that you wish would crawl under a rock and never make another appearance.
 
With the amount of vulgarity and anti-trump hate ranting the marches looked more like a Cure PMS Telethon.
 
destroying public education?
DeVos is a fan of privatizing public education, charter schools (the bulk of which in MI – where she’s from – scored below state averages)…

"DeVos isn’t an educator, or an education leader. She’s not an expert in pedagogy or curriculum or school governance. In fact, she has no relevant credentials or experience for a job setting standards and guiding dollars for the nation’s public schools.

She is, in essence, a lobbyist — someone who has used her extraordinary wealth to influence the conversation about education reform, and to bend that conversation to her ideological convictions despite the dearth of evidence supporting them."

freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/stephen-henderson/2016/12/03/betsy-devos-education-donald-trump/94728574/
 
I deleted and then reposted the article about the Catholic sisters as examples of attendees who as Gracepoole explained earlier, were there to focus on other issues. In this case Catholic religious.

PP is a target because beyond the many healthcare services they provide, they also perform abortions and regardless of the small percentage that abortion may be of what they do, and regardless that they are forbidden to use federal funding for abortion, groups still target them.
Handing out contraception is not the same as an abortion — but counted as same number of service.

They do less than 3 percent of pap smears (and no mammograms), but approximately 30% of abortions. Plenty more community health care facilities than their death mills.

Money is fungible.

PP is not necessary for women’s health.
 
I deleted and then reposted the article about the Catholic sisters as examples of attendees who as Gracepoole explained earlier, were there to focus on other issues. In this case Catholic religious.

PP is a target because beyond the many healthcare services they provide, they also perform abortions and regardless of the small percentage that abortion may be of what they do, and regardless that they are forbidden to use federal funding for abortion, groups still target them.
Did you know that the data shows that Planned Parenthood only, “performs 1.8% of clinical breast exams, 0.97% of Pap tests”. Other services like numbers using STD related services have been declining as have patient numbers. Federally Qualified Health Centres must outnumber Planned Parenthood’s at least 9 to 1. FQHCs can help those on low income and without insurance. So why do women need Planned Parenthood for health services?

The money Planned Parenthood receives is fungible. Abby Johnson, a former director of a Planned Parenthood has said:
An abortion is expensive. Its cost includes pay for the doctor, supporting medical staff, their health benefits packages and malpractice insurance. As clinic director, I saw how money affiliate clinics receive from several sources is combined into one pot, not set aside for specific services.
thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/153699-exposing-the-planned-parenthood-business-model
 
Wish I could go. Would love to bring my pro-life generation banner.

Ah well.
If I could see signs like that, it would instantly change my view of the march, as simply pro-abortion, LGBT activists and Trump protestors trying to take it over and cause trouble.

I would definitely counsel against going though, as the crowd didn’t look very favorable to the pro-life view. Especially since they hate Trump and it was made clear that Trump would appoint pro-life justices and Clinton would have upheld and expanded abortion. Not to mention it was backed by Planned Parenthood who are about to lose their federal funding as a direct result of this election.

I would recommend having a ‘March for Women’ in union with the ‘March for Life’ rally coming up. That would be the best way to also march for women’s rights I think and you would have my support.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
My own observations are that this fear has been largely created and propogated by extreme partisans in the media and the blogosphere. Quite honestly, I never once heard Trump say he was going to roll back same sex marriage and that can be the only right to which you are referring because there are no permissible discriminations in hiring or providing services to LGBT people. What he has promised is that he will ensure religious liberty is protected. To take it a step further, I kind of wonder if the LGBT advocates are primarily concerned that the aggressiveness, scorn and contempt with which they have attacked those they perceive as their enemies may be returned in kind. I hope not. Sincerely.

Destroying public education is more hyperbole. Giving parents a choice to get out of public schools that may be failing–and those are legion–is not about destroying public education, it’s about giving kids the opportunities they deserve.

If people actually listen to the sober minded policy makers discussing this, they will again realize that there is no appetite or intent to have coverage terminated for those whose coverage would end with a broad repel of the ACA. There will be a mechanism, whether the right likes it or not, for ensuring that doesn’t happen.

Finally, this notion of refusal to acknowledge climate change is very tired and false. It’s not about denying it, it’s the argument over the cause, what can be done about it and what the trade offs are between jobs and regulations.
For six years–SIX–the Republicans have been attempting to repeal the ACA and have yet to come up with a viable alternative. Retaining the most expensive portions–keeping children on their parents’ policy until age 26 and providing coverage to people with pre-existing conditions–while eliminating the mandate would create a deficit that “negotiating” with the pharmaceutical companies will fall far short of eliminating. The Republicans in the Senate have already voted to repeal the ACA, and no one has given any clue as to what this miraculous “mechanism” would be. There are children in my family who will die if those sober-minded policy-makers can’t make this miracle happen or if some of those “onerous” business regulations are eliminated. Trump has no experience or knowledge in these matters, and has just blown smoke about having a “plan” to provide coverage. And he has not appointed anyone who has shown any inclination to care about anything other than increasing businesses’ bottom line.

For decades the right, “educated” by the Koch brothers and their ilk in the oil and gas industry, has denied that climate change even existed. Now that the evidence is irrefutable, they are denying that it is caused by man, using the same distorted evidence that they used in the past.

In my state, because we have a Republucan governor, many of our schools are working on razor-thin budgets. Taking money from the public schools to fund for-profit charters (many of which have abysmal results), will mean that the schools will have to cut back on the extra help that children with learning disabilities desperately need. Some of my friends who voted for Trump decided to attend today’s march when they heard DeVos’s testimony and realized what it would mean for the special needs programs their children rely on.

The protestors are marching to make sure that Trump and the Republicans in Congress know that they will be held to account if they try to implement some of the measures they are considering, which will benefit business but harm them and their families.
 
I deleted and then reposted the article about the Catholic sisters as examples of attendees who as Gracepoole explained earlier, were there to focus on other issues. In this case Catholic religious.
Who was there to focus on Catholic religious?
PP is a target because beyond the many healthcare services they provide, they also perform abortions and regardless of the small percentage that abortion may be of what they do, and regardless that they are forbidden to use federal funding for abortion, groups still target them.
Alexandra Desanctis, National Review: nationalreview.com/article/444032/planned-parenthood-defunding-abortion-cecile-richards-trevor-noah-daily-show

“We’re really proud at Planned Parenthood to provide women all their reproductive health care, and we always will,” Richards said. And later, “This is an issue of access to health care, of a wide swath of health care. And for many folks, we’re their only health care. Paul Ryan is saying, ‘We’re going to end that.’”

This is Planned Parenthood’s most common rhetorical strategy, and it’s easy to see why it’s so effective. In reality, though, Planned Parenthood’s claim to provide numerous types of essential health care is highly misleading, and much of the care women receive at its clinics could easily be obtained elsewhere. For one thing, the group’s infamous assertion that abortion is a mere 3 percent of the services it provides has been debunked by left-leaning outlets such as Slate and the Washington Post, and the deception underlying that statistic was explained in depth by Rich Lowry in Politico in 2015.

An accurate assessment of the group’s abortion numbers reveals that one in eight women who visits a Planned Parenthood clinic obtains an abortion. To obscure that fact, Planned Parenthood consistently overstates its other, supposedly crucial services, falsely claiming to provide mammograms and exaggerating its commitment to prenatal care. In fact, the group provides less than 1 percent of the nation’s pap tests and less than 2 percent of its breast exams and cancer screenings, while at the same time providing over 30 percent of its abortions.

Although thousands of federally qualified health-care centers (FQHCs) across the country are able to provide women with numerous necessary services — many of them more essential than those offered by Planned Parenthood — Richards maintained that FQHCs can’t handle the volume of patients currently served by Planned Parenthood and that women therefore will still lose health-care access if the organization is defunded. This is difficult to believe, given the 13,540 FQHCs and rural health-care clinics across the country, whereas Planned Parenthood operates a mere 665 facilities. (See this excellent map to understand how drastically community clinics outnumber Planned Parenthoods, by a ratio of 20 to one.)

Planned Parenthood executives contend that low-income women in rural areas in particular will be harmed if the abortion group is defunded. But take, for example, the rural state of Nebraska, which has a total of two Planned Parenthood clinics and 167 FQHCs. How could it be possible that two Planned Parenthood clinics serve so many women that 167 healthcare centers would be overwhelmed by an overflow of patients? Meanwhile, even in California, the state with the most Planned Parenthood clinics by far, the abortion group has a mere 114 centers compared with 1,694 community health clinics.

If anyone is making a political game out of women’s care, it is Planned Parenthood, which demands that the government subsidize health care that the group has bundled together with abortion.

In addition, Richards asserted that the Republican party doesn’t care about women and that in trying to remove government funding from Planned Parenthood Republicans are playing partisan politics with women’s health care. But if anyone is making a political game out of women’s care, it is Planned Parenthood and its Democratic allies, who demand that the government subsidize health care that the group has bundled together with highly controversial — not to mention immoral — abortion procedures.

If Planned Parenthood stopped performing abortions, few in either party would object to funding the organization; Republicans at every level support reimbursing FQHCs to provide necessary care that does not include abortions. If the group sees itself as invaluable to American women, it should cease providing abortions and focus all of its resources on truly essential health care. But it will never do that, because it is first and foremost an abortion corporation. That is where the bulk of its profit comes from.

Finally, Richards repeatedly claimed that the American people love Planned Parenthood and don’t want it to be defunded, bragging about the outpouring of support the group has seen since the election. Perhaps she missed the latest poll on the defunding effort, which shows that voters in 2018 Senate battleground states — Florida, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, and Wisconsin — support ending federal funding for Planned Parenthood, 56 to 40 percent; 28 percent strongly support federal funding for Planned Parenthood, while 47 percent strongly oppose it. Even more interesting, the poll found that, by a margin of over 30 percentage points, Americans in these battleground states would be less likely to vote for any senator who voted to give federal money to Planned Parenthood rather than to local community health centers; 44 percent considered themselves “much less likely” to do so.
 
For six years–SIX–the Republicans have been attempting to repeal the ACA and have yet to come up with a viable alternative. Retaining the most expensive portions–keeping children on their parents’ policy until age 26 and providing coverage to people with pre-existing conditions–while eliminating the mandate would create a deficit that “negotiating” with the pharmaceutical companies will fall far short of eliminating. The Republicans in the Senate have already voted to repeal the ACA, and no one has given any clue as to what this miraculous “mechanism” would be. There are children in my family who will die if those sober-minded policy-makers can’t make this miracle happen or if some of those “onerous” business regulations are eliminated. Trump has no experience or knowledge in these matters, and has just blown smoke about having a “plan” to provide coverage. And he has not appointed anyone who has shown any inclination to care about anything other than increasing businesses’ bottom line.

For decades the right, “educated” by the Koch brothers and their ilk in the oil and gas industry, has denied that climate change even existed. Now that the evidence is irrefutable, they are denying that it is caused by man, using the same distorted evidence that they used in the past.

In my state, because we have a Republucan governor, many of our schools are working on razor-thin budgets. Taking money from the public schools to fund for-profit charters (many of which have abysmal results), will mean that the schools will have to cut back on the extra help that children with learning disabilities desperately need. Some of my friends who voted for Trump decided to attend today’s march when they heard DeVos’s testimony and realized what it would mean for the special needs programs their children rely on.

The protestors are marching to make sure that Trump and the Republicans in Congress know that they will be held to account if they try to implement some of the measures they are considering, which will benefit business but harm them and their families.
First, there is a plan put forth by Paul Ryan. As for the children in your family, what did they before ACA? If their folks don’t have the means to obtain coverage the state’s have coverage options for children of low income families.

Betsy DeVos’s testimony gave nobody reason to believe anything other than a belief in a devolution of the control of education from the federal level to the state level and school choice. Rhetoric put forth by democrats at the behest of teacher’s unions is not something to which I lend credence. And the results of her initiatives in Michigan have been positive, especially in the inner cities.

As for climate change, what is the distorted evidence?
 
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