Marijuana = Sinfull?

[jmcrae]

Marijuana is a plant that promotes peace and its illegal. Alcohol promotes violence and its legal. Wine has alcohol but if you take moderate amounts of it your good. Jesus drank wine. Marijuana in moderate amounts is acceptable in my opinion.

As long as it remains illegal, it will be impossible to gauge what is a 'moderate amount" since dealers cut it with other substances to make it more addictive, and it’s not like there’s a Board of Marijuana Quality out there making sure that the marijuana that you buy is safe to smoke.

 

[strngrnrth]

Marijuana is a plant that promotes peace and its illegal. Alcohol promotes violence and its legal. Wine has alcohol but if you take moderate amounts of it your good. Jesus drank wine. Marijuana in moderate amounts is acceptable in my opinion.

Marijuana promotes peace for some people, callous negligence in ohers, rudeness in others. Alcohol promotes violence in some, rudeness in others, sociability in many, and sloth in a great number more. Both are legal under restricted circumstances today in the USA.

 

[Jonathan82]

I guess what I mean is like alcohol its not for everyone because it affects us all different.

 

[Jeff_KC]

dealers cut it with other substances to make it more addictive,

You may be confusing marijuana with cigarettes. I think that practice is actually much more common in the tobacco industry.

 

[jmcrae]

You may be confusing marijuana with cigarettes. I think that practice is actually much more common in the tobacco industry.

They do that with cigarettes,too, but at least they have to list them on the package.

A bit of trivia for you: cigarettes contain at least five different kinds of poison. (To put that into perspective, arsenic only contains one.)

 

[Jeff_KC]

They do that with cigarettes,too, but at least they have to list them on the package.)

I don’t believe that is true.

whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Tobacco_Additives.html

 

[Reformed_Rob]

Slavery was once legal. So people had to abide by civic law, right?

Slavery being legal didn’t mean you “had to have slaves.”

Although, in one state, I think South Carolina, even if you didn’t own slaves, there were laws that said if you saw a runaway slave, you were required to assist in their capture and returning them to their owners.

In a history channel documentary, they talked about how a group of Presbyterian men got out of church one day and went out to capture and shoot runaway slaves.

A Catholic in that situation would obviously need to conscientiously refuse being a part of capturing slaves for their return to slavery.

A Catholic in a country where marijuana use and sale is illegal, would need to not use marijuana or buy/sell it.
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If marijuana is a “drug” as referred to in CCC #2291, then it’s use outside of therapeutic purposes would be sinful for a Catholic, even in a country where it is not illegal to buy/sell/use it. That seems clear to me.**

 

[xmydreamsfadex]

Yes, as follows

(2) taking any substance that harms your body is wrong.

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not trying to start a new debate here, but meat is full of fat and cholesterol making it harmful to your heart, body, main reason why there is so many health problems in this counrty, yet meat isn’t a sin.

 

[Jonathan82]

I think that intention is the most important part. I don’t think people that smoke weed are trying to harm themselves or commit suicide or do it because they hate themselves.

Its hard for people to accept it when they don’t fully understand it. I think if anyone wants to really know the answer, pray and ask god to show you. More than likely if its in your heart to know you will know.

Discipline and intention are very important things to consider though when thinking about using it.

But its not for everyone because not everyone has discipline or good intentions. And those people ruin it for everyone.

Personally I think its influence brought me back to Catholicism because one day when I used to smoke I picked up the Bible and started reading again and since then Ive been going to church again. Its a mystery though.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Personally I think its influence brought me back to Catholicism because one day when I used to smoke I picked up the Bible and started reading again and since then Ive been going to church again. Its a mystery though.

Or…God may have had something to do with it?

 

[teadough]

As long as it remains illegal, it will be impossible to gauge what is a 'moderate amount" since dealers cut it with other substances to make it more addictive, and it’s not like there’s a Board of Marijuana Quality out there making sure that the marijuana that you buy is safe to smoke.

jmcrae, I am sorry but this is a false statement. I am on your side with this issue but dealers do not cut marijuana to make it addictive. Folk Lore like that is one of the reasons why drugs such as marijuana has been condemned. Yes, there are a few shady people out there who may put certain “additives” on Herb, but for the most part, stories about laced Pot are about 99% false. Same goes with LSD drugscare folklore. I am sure every parent has heard the story of some guy who,after taking LSD,thought they were an orange and tried to “peel” themselves.

The CCC is pretty clear on why illegal drugs are forbidden. The main reason behind marijuana is due to the fact that so many other agendas are met within the trade industry of illegal drugs. There is not much of a point A to B in regards to trade. All sort of bad baggage splinter out of these types of trades.

A person may then ask: “What about the countries where Herb is legal?” In a case like that then you may be supporting illegal drug trade that is leaving the said country.

If one were growing there own for personal in a country where it is not illegal is another story. But then one must decided what their motive is behind the use. Comparing the use of Herb to a glass of wine is complete nonsense. Comparing the use of herb to the drunk driver who kills a family is nonsense,too.

Do I think there can be a middle ground in some cases. Yes, but once again, you have to look at your motives and reasons behind the use of Herb. Are you in your thirties and still needing something aftter a bad day? What are you turning to to help?

This subject is a tough one from either side.

 

[teadough]

jmcrae, I am sorry but this is a false statement. I am on your side with this issue but dealers do not cut marijuana to make it addictive. Folk Lore like that is one of the reasons why drugs such as marijuana has been condemned. Yes, there are a few shady people out there who may put certain “additives” on Herb, but for the most part, stories about laced Pot are about 99% false. Same goes with LSD drugscare folklore. I am sure every parent has heard the story of some guy who,after taking LSD,thought they were an orange and tried to “peel” themselves.

The CCC is pretty clear on why illegal drugs are forbidden. The main reason behind marijuana is due to the fact that so many other agendas are met within the trade industry of illegal drugs. There is not much of a point A to B in regards to trade. All sort of bad baggage splinter out of these types of trades.

A person may then ask: “What about the countries where Herb is legal?” In a case like that then you may be supporting illegal drug trade that is leaving the said country.

If one were growing there own for personal use may be another issue. But then one must decided what there motive is behind the use.

Do I think there can be a middle ground in some cases. Yes, but once again, you have to look at your motives and reasons behind the use of Herb. Are you in your thirties and still needing something aftter a bad day? What are you turning to to help?

This subject is a tough one from either side.

 

[Jonathan82]

Or…God may have had something to do with it?

Well yea he is behind everything. I just don’t know his intentions because thats a mystery.

 

[Jonathan82]

Do I think there can be a middle ground in some cases. Yes, but once again, you have to look at your motives and reasons behind the use of Herb. Are you in your thirties and still needing something after a bad day? What are you turning to to help?

This subject is a tough one from either side.

I’m 25 haha. And you bring up a lot of points I did. You said motives I said intentions, pretty much the same; but you forgot to mention discipline.

 

[teadough]

I’m 25 haha. And you bring up a lot of points I did. You said motives I said intentions, pretty much the same; but you forgot to mention discipline.

I was an indoor grower for a number of years and I remember thinking to myself that if all I had was enought herb to last me i would be content. Needless to say that did not work out to well in regards to any kind of spiritual life. i even played the old game where I would swear up and down that organic herb was OK for people. I don’t hold to those feelings any longer. Too many people have episodes of depression that stem directly from THC use. It does not matter how organic it is. Just because something is organic does not make it good. I work at a Wastewater Treatmeant Plant. In fact I am at work right now. My whole job is to get rid of “organic” material. Take a wild guess at what some of the “orgainic” material is.

More than likely you may outgrow your desire to puff nuggets. If not then there is a good chance that you have acquired the need of outside stemulation to satisfy your inner needs. You mentioned “disciplind”. Discipline is being able to look the world in the eye and take what it gives you. Discipline is a state of mind that takes pracitce and is swallowed up in Grace. It is at being at peace with yourself and your fellow man. Discipline is getting up in the morning and asking God for guidance during your day. Discipline is thanking God at night. Discipline is praying the Rosary when you don’t feel like it. It’s in that Rosary that you can reflect on what is really important to us. Discipline is seeking Jesus

God Bless you

“The trick is to surrender to the flow”

 

[Jonathan82]

I was an indoor grower for a number of years and I remember thinking to myself that if all I had was enought herb to last me i would be content. Needless to say that did not work out to well in regards to any kind of spiritual life. i even played the old game where I would swear up and down that organic herb was OK for people. I don’t hold to those feelings any longer. Too many people have episodes of depression that stem directly from THC use. It does not matter how organic it is. Just because something is organic does not make it good. I work at a Wastewater Treatmeant Plant. In fact I am at work right now. My whole job is to get rid of “organic” material. Take a wild guess at what some of the “orgainic” material is.

More than likely you may outgrow your desire to puff nuggets. If not then there is a good chance that you have acquired the need of outside stemulation to satisfy your inner needs. You mentioned “disciplind”. Discipline is being able to look the world in the eye and take what it gives you. Discipline is a state of mind that takes pracitce and is swallowed up in Grace. It is at being at peace with yourself and your fellow man. Discipline is getting up in the morning and asking God for guidance during your day. Discipline is thanking God at night. Discipline is praying the Rosary when you don’t feel like it. It’s in that Rosary that you can reflect on what is really important to us. Discipline is seeking Jesus

God Bless you

“The trick is to surrender to the flow”

No I don’t disagree with you whatsoever. I was just mentioning discipline so people don’t become potheads (were they cannot function with ought drugs) . I need a rosary. Ive been doing the short Jesus prayer whenever I feel down it helps.

 

[Jonathan82]

Take a wild guess at what some of the “orgainic” material is.

And I almost forgot that is called organic because we know were it comes out from but truly isn’t organic because its still considered waste that your body is throwing away. lol

 

[Jonathan82]

well I will return as a mater of fact I’m going to church.

 

[teadough]

And I almost forgot that is called organic because we know were it comes out from but truly isn’t organic because its still considered waste that your body is throwing away. lol

I hate to disagree with you on this but you have a misunderstanding of what “organics” means.

On a side note:What do you think people use for nutrients who grow organically?

On another side note: Poisoin Ivy is “organic”

Like I said. You will probably grow out of it when you get in your 30’s if not sooner. One day you wake up and you realize life has shown up and the last thing you need to worry about is having to pass a whizz test for work.

I have a friend that smokes once in a while. He does not even “discipline” himself. It is just one of those things he will do a few times a year. He probabley has no idea where he put his last jar of herb. Maybe he does,however, I am the type of guy that if I say I am going to discipline myself,in regards to smoking herb, I will be counting down the minutes until that day comes. I will know exactly where my bud is and I would think about it all the time. I don’t think that is discipline. thats just me though.

good talking with you. I am glad you are heading to Mass. Take care and Peace be with you.

 

[centurion50]

There’s a lot of foggy thinking on this thread, anyone who smokes pot is self-deceived, self-absorbed and self-condemned, either be a catholic or be a pothead, but because you are lukewarm christ will spew you out of his mouth, read Revelations, the word sorcery is greek word pharmakeia— drugs, and they repented not of their sorceries. one word Repent.