Marriage Issue - Lost and Confused

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Having come from similar but different type of situation, I really think Retrouvaille would benefit you both. I know others have mentioned it, and you said it would be difficult to manage right now but really these are the exact kind of issues that Retrouvaille deals with.

They give you a framework for how to express yourself and communicate in a non-threatening and respectful way.

You had mentioned the follow-up weekends being difficult for you to attend and, yes, they are flexible. The follow-ups always immediately follow the main weekend 1-2-3-4, so if you miss, say #2, you just wait for the next Retrouvaille weekend and catch up with their #2 weekend. If the location isn’t too far from your home, it’s really only a half day Saturday for the follow-ups.

The problems you’re having with him communicating his anger are exactly the kind of thing Retrouvaille is great for!

OP- feel free to PM me if you would like to talk about Retrouvaille.
 
I agree but he insists that the kids don’t have anything to do with the problem :confused: He does seem to focus all of his attention and affection on the kids right now.
The kids are not a threat to him. It’s easy to be loving to young kids b/c they accept your love and give it back without hurting you.

You though, open him up to hurt. He needs time and space.

When he’s being loving to the kids, get in on it and be loving with him. Show him your loving side whenever you can.
 
I’ve tried telling him when he’s being out of line, but it ends up making him even angrier 😦 He just thinks that I don’t understand quite how hurt he really is. I don’t know but I think I can see that he’s extremely hurt.

The counselor said to me individually that she wants to see marriages work. But on the other hand she never tries to encourage us to stay married. Not that she encourages divorce either - but she doesn’t make commitment a priority.
He needs validation validation and more validation. That’s what I’m picking up.
 
Maybe ask him to rephrase until you understand?
Or just don’t give him your opinion. Just validate his opinion by saying, “so when I did this, you felt this…” or “you are feeling that…” and when he says yes, say “I am sorry you feel so sad.” or “It hurts me that you feel this way. I want to make you happy.”

Just validate the heck out of him without being a doormat. Act like a therapist kind of .
 
Well I guess the problem is that I’m not sure if he’s being out of line. He’s hurt by I don’t know how long it’s reasonable to expect him to stay angry. He feels his anger is justified. I get that in a way, but I also don’t think it should give him a free pass out of the marriage. I’m also afraid that with the lack of intimacy it won’t be possible to get it back.

On the other hand, he shows some desire to work on things despite the negativity.
Go with that…just go with it…validate validate validate…without being a doormat. As long as he’s living with you, assume that he has decided to work on the marriage…

validate validate validate
 
I suggest you go to Eucharist Adoration - even if it means bringing the baby with you and sitting in the back and begging Jesus to help you save your marriage - and I don’t mean just going once but as often as you can for perhaps months - He will hear you - also YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND MAY NEED TO GO TO CONFESSION SO YOU ARE IN THE STATE OF GRACE.
 
I suggest you go to Eucharist Adoration - even if it means bringing the baby with you and sitting in the back and begging Jesus to help you save your marriage - and I don’t mean just going once but as often as you can for perhaps months - He will hear you - also YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND MAY NEED TO GO TO CONFESSION SO YOU ARE IN THE STATE OF GRACE.
Good ideas 🙂 Getting my husband to go to confession is not likely but I can suggest.
 
The kids are not a threat to him. It’s easy to be loving to young kids b/c they accept your love and give it back without hurting you.

You though, open him up to hurt. He needs time and space.

When he’s being loving to the kids, get in on it and be loving with him. Show him your loving side whenever you can.
That’s the thing, I’m not quite sure how to be loving with him in a way that makes him comfortable. I can’t touch him because it bothers him. I’m not sure what I can do to show him that I care. I suppose listening to him when he is willing to talk is a good start. I just want to make sure I’m still giving him space without pushing myself on him.

I wish this didn’t have to be so complicated.
 
That’s the thing, I’m not quite sure how to be loving with him in a way that makes him comfortable. I can’t touch him because it bothers him. I’m not sure what I can do to show him that I care. I suppose listening to him when he is willing to talk is a good start. I just want to make sure I’m still giving him space without pushing myself on him.

I wish this didn’t have to be so complicated.
Show your loving side by joining him when he’s playing tickle with the kids…that kind of stuff.

Yes, listening to him will make him feel respected and validated…huge for men.
 
I have a pretty long and complicated situation that has really been bothering me. I needed somewhere to get a Catholic viewpoint on the situation because I know secular society would likely say to leave my husband and I am committed to my vows.

My husband and I dated throughout high school and college. We married after dating for six years when we were in our early 20’s. We both were lucky to have found jobs in our respective careers. We also were mature and responsible despite our young age. We received very little pre-marital counseling from our parish priest. He knew both of us well as we’d been actively involved in the church for years. Now I’m wishing he would have done a little more counseling with us.

We’ve now been married 6 years and have two young children (one is still an infant). I am a practicing Catholic and dh is basically a cradle Catholic who is not necessarily in agreement with the church (attends mass with the family when not working).

2 months ago, my husband sat down with me and discussed that he is unhappy in our marriage. I was so extremely upset to think that my husband was unhappy as I do love him very much and want to see him happy. I stayed up half the night wondering what I have done to make him so unhappy. And I did come up with many things that had to change. I haven’t been a perfect wife. I’ve always been faithful to him but my attitude toward him has been not so kind over the years. Sex had been an issue as well (did not want it while pregnant or postpartum). I completely and totally understand that my behavior was awful. I haven’t been unfaithful or physically/emotionally abusive. No drug addiction on either side. I don’t blame him for being unhappy though I do wish he would’ve brought this to my attention sooner. I told him of the issues and he agreed that those were things to work on. However, he had come to the conclusion that our marriage was over. He decided to stay and work it out because I was so willing to fix my behavior.

Then, my husband started telling me that he had “fallen out of love” with me and was considering leaving me. Of course, my poor attitude probably did make me unlovable. I just don’t understand the “falling out of love” idea because I have always felt that love is a choice. I know I’ve hurt him deeply but I don’t get his idea that he cannot love.

We’ve started counseling and I’m hoping it will help. We’ve considered talking to our parish priest but I’m not really sure if he’ll have the time to talk with us and it would make us quite uncomfortable as we know him so well.

Here’s the most disturbing part:
I asked my husband when he stopped loving me. He said that he stopped one year before we were married. At the time, we had no concrete marriage plans but were engaged. He said that he felt obligated to marry me because he had already proposed and didn’t want to let me down. He said that at the time he was hoping to get the chance to date other women as I’m the only one he’d ever dated. He said that he also wanted the chance to have sex and since he’d been waiting for 5 years he might as well wait till the wedding. This makes absolutely no sense to me! I don’t believe that he would honestly marry me without love. He’s been so loving toward me up until the last few months. Now he will barely hug or kiss me and we are more or less living as brother and sister :o This is not like my husband at all! It’s as if I’m living with a stranger.

I’m just so hurt beyond all hurts I’ve ever felt in my life. I’ve had a poor attitude in the past. I’ve turned down my husband’s sexual advances at times. I’ve argued with my in-laws and have been rude. I’m very glad to get the wake up call that I need to change but I don’t want it to cost me my marriage!

My husband says that he’s miserable and if things don’t change then some day he will have to leave the marriage before it affects our family. Am I selfish for wanting him to stay? According to him, I’ve changed over the past few months and he cannot think of anything else I need to do to improve. He says that he feels loved by me. However, he says that he cannot love me back.

I also hate the idea that he married me only out of obligation or for sex! I thought that even in his early 20’s he would be able to make a mature decision. If that is true then I would think our marriage could even be invalid 😦

Sorry if my words are confusing at all. I’m stressed and desperate at the moment and can’t think totally clearly.
To add to what Xantippe said, the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence.

Did this man really just marry you because he felt obligated too?

Come on…

I bet he can come with better reasons that than!
 
To add to what Xantippe said, the grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence.

Did this man really just marry you because he felt obligated too?

Come on…

I bet he can come with better reasons that than!
Thanks. I’m sure he had cold feet before the wedding but I don’t think he only married me out of obligation. I’m sure he would have been miserable way sooner if that were the case.
 
Bernadettefaith said:

“I’m sure he would have been miserable way sooner if that were the case.”

Yes, that’s very true.
 
Pray and thank God that you have a husband that is willing to try and work on things even when he feels he has “fallen out of love” or may have never really wanted to marry you.

Your story sounds very similar to mine, a lot of the things your husband said to you I heard from my wife over three years ago. But she refused to work on things, she wanted space and time to think. And before she made clear her intention of moving out she betrayed her vows and my trust, repeatedly.

Don’t think you are being selfish for wanting him to stay, and don’t let something like breastfeeding, or what family or friends will think be an excuse for not doing everything you can do to save your marriage and protect the covenant your husband and you made with God. You are not simply acting for your benefit. You are trying to take care of your children the way God intended them to be raised. You are trying to lead your husband to God. You are trying to be a witness for God’s love and mercy.

Right now, you may only be able to pray and ask God for the things you want. But, if you can, ask God to lead you and show you what He wants for you and what He would have you do for Him.

Don’t go around beating yourself up, we are all broken is some way. We all make mistakes, we all make bad choices, we all behave like the miserable sinners that we are from time to time, if not more often. God knows that. God understands that. Jesus came to forgive us of all that and show us the path to perfection. Focus on being the person God wishes you to be, which will make you a better and happier person. And know that with His presence in your life, you may reach perfection in the next life, but until then you will fall. Your husband is also struggling with the same sorts of feelings of regret, imperfection, and failure. He may or may not realize that the only answer lies in Christ and the Cross, but ask God’s help in healing him, He will either work through you or through others to help your husband.

But, don’t let your guilt or failures and recognition of your imperfection turn you into a whimpering child, constantly apologizing and trying to make up for the mistakes you’ve made. God has forgiven you. God wishes to do great things through you. He loves you more than you know and that makes you deserving of love and respect despite your past. Carry God’s love and forgiveness confidently and joyfully, so that your husband sees Christ in you and can be drawn to the dignity and beauty God gave you, not be turned away in seeing a pitiful leper begging for his mercy and love.

And, as I said earlier, be thankful that your husband is will to work on saving your marriage. My wife is but one example of spouses that refuse to even try…
 
Pray and thank God that you have a husband that is willing to try and work on things even when he feels he has “fallen out of love” or may have never really wanted to marry you.

Your story sounds very similar to mine, a lot of the things your husband said to you I heard from my wife over three years ago. But she refused to work on things, she wanted space and time to think. And before she made clear her intention of moving out she betrayed her vows and my trust, repeatedly.

Don’t think you are being selfish for wanting him to stay, and don’t let something like breastfeeding, or what family or friends will think be an excuse for not doing everything you can do to save your marriage and protect the covenant your husband and you made with God. You are not simply acting for your benefit. You are trying to take care of your children the way God intended them to be raised. You are trying to lead your husband to God. You are trying to be a witness for God’s love and mercy.

Right now, you may only be able to pray and ask God for the things you want. But, if you can, ask God to lead you and show you what He wants for you and what He would have you do for Him.

Don’t go around beating yourself up, we are all broken is some way. We all make mistakes, we all make bad choices, we all behave like the miserable sinners that we are from time to time, if not more often. God knows that. God understands that. Jesus came to forgive us of all that and show us the path to perfection. Focus on being the person God wishes you to be, which will make you a better and happier person. And know that with His presence in your life, you may reach perfection in the next life, but until then you will fall. Your husband is also struggling with the same sorts of feelings of regret, imperfection, and failure. He may or may not realize that the only answer lies in Christ and the Cross, but ask God’s help in healing him, He will either work through you or through others to help your husband.

**But, don’t let your guilt or failures and recognition of your imperfection turn you into a whimpering child, constantly apologizing and trying to make up for the mistakes you’ve made. God has forgiven you. God wishes to do great things through you. He loves you more than you know and that makes you deserving of love and respect despite your past. Carry God’s love and forgiveness confidently and joyfully, so that your husband sees Christ in you and can be drawn to the dignity and beauty God gave you, not be turned away in seeing a pitiful leper begging for his mercy and love. **

And, as I said earlier, be thankful that your husband is will to work on saving your marriage. My wife is but one example of spouses that refuse to even try…
Awesome post!!!
 
Thank you. I am glad that he’s willing to try anything to make this work. I’m sorry that your wife was not willing to work it out. I am holding off on doing more than counseling for now to buy more time. Right or wrong, I feel that by spreading everything out I can buy more time before we’ve tried “everything”. I think that time is very important for healing. We will go to retrouvaille if necessary but I think it’s best to see if we can work this our with the counselor first. There isn’t another retrouvaille until January and depending on my husbands job situation follow up sessions might not be possible at all - he may get a new job and will have to be away for training for a few months. I have looked into online or phone counseling and that may be an option until retrouvaille is possible for us. He’s agreed to go to retrouvaille when possible, especially when the baby is a little older and able to separate easily.

I wish I had the support of family but that’s too risky for now. My mother tends to be a pessimist and holds a grudge so she may never forgive Dh. She might even encourage me to leave him. I really have no idea how she would react.

His parents and I didn’t have the best relationship but it’s better now. If they take sides then this could affect my relationship with them as well. They are Catholic but I don’t know that they are totally against divorce in the event that their son is miserable.
 
Thank you. I am glad that he’s willing to try anything to make this work. I’m sorry that your wife was not willing to work it out. I am holding off on doing more than counseling for now to buy more time. Right or wrong, I feel that by spreading everything out I can buy more time before we’ve tried “everything”. I think that time is very important for healing. We will go to retrouvaille if necessary but I think it’s best to see if we can work this our with the counselor first. There isn’t another retrouvaille until January and depending on my husbands job situation follow up sessions might not be possible at all - he may get a new job and will have to be away for training for a few months. I have looked into online or phone counseling and that may be an option until retrouvaille is possible for us. He’s agreed to go to retrouvaille when possible, especially when the baby is a little older and able to separate easily.

I wish I had the support of family but that’s too risky for now. My mother tends to be a pessimist and holds a grudge so she may never forgive Dh. She might even encourage me to leave him. I really have no idea how she would react.

His parents and I didn’t have the best relationship but it’s better now. If they take sides then this could affect my relationship with them as well. They are Catholic but I don’t know that they are totally against divorce in the event that their son is miserable.
Do not tell your mom if she holds grudges. The last thing your husband needs is a mil that dislikes him. He will pick up on it.

I have learned to never share my marital troubles with my family or bad mouth my husband to any of my friends. It always backfires. When I have troubles, I talk to my priest friend or I seek counselling through a program at my work called the Employee Assistance Program.

If you have not told your mom anything, you are a tough cookie and man, I respect you! 👍
 
Do not tell your mom if she holds grudges. The last thing your husband needs is a mil that dislikes him. He will pick up on it.

I have learned to never share my marital troubles with my family or bad mouth my husband to any of my friends. It always backfires. When I have troubles, I talk to my priest friend or I seek counselling through a program at my work called the Employee Assistance Program.

If you have not told your mom anything, you are a tough cookie and man, I respect you! 👍
I don’t think talking to my mom would help me feel any better. She’s not generally optimistic and would probably just get me down.

I think I may have better luck with his parents but that could backfire if they decide to take sides or even tell him to divorce.
 
I don’t think talking to my mom would help me feel any better. She’s not generally optimistic and would probably just get me down.

I think I may have better luck with his parents but that could backfire if they decide to take sides or even tell him to divorce.
I agree. Telling my family has never worked out for me. They will always be biased and the advice they give would therefore be biased.

counsellors should be unbiased and they usually are.
 
I agree. Telling my family has never worked out for me. They will always be biased and the advice they give would therefore be biased.
I thought the same about telling my family, that they would be biased and create more problems. I was wrong and each day I thank God for prompting me to tell them and for giving me the courage to trust His direction. They have simply been there for me and for my kids. They have been understanding, compassionate, supportive and without them I don’t know what sort of mess our lives would be…

And I had good reason to think they would create additional friction and problems. Previously in our marriage there had been situations that led me to be sure I knew how they would respond and that letting them know would only make a bad situation worse.

Of course, each situation is different and it was through prayer and discernment that I saw God prompting me to trust Him and trust them and He was right.

Pray on it. Ask God to lead you to the support you need. He will provide it. As long as you listen and trust His guidance…
 
I thought the same about telling my family, that they would be biased and create more problems. I was wrong and each day I thank God for prompting me to tell them and for giving me the courage to trust His direction. They have simply been there for me and for my kids. They have been understanding, compassionate, supportive and without them I don’t know what sort of mess our lives would be…

And I had good reason to think they would create additional friction and problems. Previously in our marriage there had been situations that led me to be sure I knew how they would respond and that letting them know would only make a bad situation worse.

Of course, each situation is different and it was through prayer and discernment that I saw God prompting me to trust Him and trust them and He was right.

Pray on it. Ask God to lead you to the support you need. He will provide it. As long as you listen and trust His guidance…
My parents provide support by watching the kids while we go to counseling. They just don’t know where we are going 😉

I honestly think that if they knew the whole story that they would encourage me to move out and might even offer money for an attorney. Or at the very least, my mom would be extremely worried and pessimistic which would affect my attitude. They might end up being totally supportive but I don’t know that for a fact and can’t risk it. I’m not sure what they could do for me other than listen to my rants…and I have friends and a counselor for that.
 
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