Marriage validity question

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Andreas,

That’s a very informative response and thanks for taking on my larger concern that has been raised through this issue which is ‘do I want to believe in a church that would question the validity of my faithful, one and only marriage?’.

I think you make some important points. Certainly this makes sense to me if self identifying Catholics knowingly defy Catholic rules. It’s hard to make rules that cover everyone but don’t cause inequity in minority cases likewise attempting to protect minority cases can allow too many to slide through who shouldn’t. After thinking about this and your thoughtful response as well I feel better about the situation. My first response was definitely partly an emotional knee jerk reaction.
 
Nebula,

I wish I didn’t have to write this message but I don’t see how the tribunal could have given you that answer. What was their reasoning? Thanks.

Dan
 
Dan,

I called the office and explained my situation, they briefly conferred and told it’s valid, no problem. I’m sure you’re curious about the reasoning but I’m satisfied. I knew it could go either way since my becoming a Mormon was a formal act.

Did you really sign up to the forums just to try to burst my bubble? 😉
 
Yes, I was minding my own business and then said “I can’t let Nebula off the hook. I’ve got to sign up.” 🙂 Seriously, though, if you are satisfied with that response, perhaps I should leave you in peace. If you want to know what I think, I will tell you. Otherwise, I hope and pray you continue along the journey to the Catholic Church!

Dan
 
Thanks Dan :). The thing is that this is a complicated case and everyone has an opinion on it. That’s why I decided to call up the office and find out from the people who have authority over me, so I will leave it at that.
 
Welcome to your journey in considering the Catholic Church. I would hope that you would be able to get the facts as you move through this venture, and not the polemics; the latter seems to abound in many areas.

As an aside, if you are interested, you might look for a book called Catholics for Dummies. It tends to the Catholic church, is true to the faith (rather than some of the mixed messages you can receive from some quarters) and is a fairly easy read. As to answering questions between wht the catholic Church teaches and what the LDS teach, it is more difficult to get through without getting caught in a good deal of polemical backwash. It tends at times to become a very emotional issue - and that can bwe said of both sides.

Did you go on mission?

I am glad that you were able to put your concerns to rest. Many people are well meaning, but can be either confused as to what the rules and definitions are, or can speak without necessarily bringing clarity to the discussion.
 
ot,

That’s okay. When I post a question like that on an internet forum I invite everyone’s opinion so I’m grateful that people added their sincere two cents, right or wrong. One thing I realized halfway through is that the case needed an expert opinion.

I didn’t go on a mission though I did go through the temple. My hubby served a mission in So CA. I think I’m fairly well grounded in the basic theological differences between Mormonism and Catholicism, but I will definitely check out the book you mentioned. I always find something out something I never even thought of before in introductions.
 
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ot,

That’s okay. When I post a question like that on an internet forum I invite everyone’s opinion so I’m grateful that people added their sincere two cents, right or wrong. One thing I realized halfway through is that the case needed an expert opinion.

I didn’t go on a mission though I did go through the temple. My hubby served a mission in So CA. I think I’m fairly well grounded in the basic theological differences between Mormonism and Catholicism, but I will definitely check out the book you mentioned. I always find something out something I never even thought of before in introductions.
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one thing i noticed is that mormons have very high control over
woman, like i heard that in order for a woman to get the recommend to go into temple her family has to be mormon,
catholic woman i am afraid of, they will knock you out
catholic woman are tougher i dated both and
the catholic girl was a lot more free thinking
and spirited
 
kevangreen said:
one thing i noticed is that mormons have very high control over
woman, like i heard that in order for a woman to get the recommend to go into temple her family has to be mormon,
catholic woman i am afraid of, they will knock you out
catholic woman are tougher i dated both and
the catholic girl was a lot more free thinking
and spirited
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kev,

Not at all true. Women go through the temple independently as men do- when I went through none of my family was Mormon. The Mormon women I am related to are not door mats.
 
nebula said:
kev,

Not at all true. Women go through the temple independently as men do- when I went through none of my family was Mormon. The Mormon women I am related to are not door mats.
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my mormon girl was extremely subservient,
i would fight with her at 10 am and be having sex with her by 12 and that is because i wanted it. I mean an average catholic girl
would be as likely to scratch my eyes then kiss me
after a fight
 
kev,

Way too much information. No *good *mormon girl would be having sex with a man she isn’t married to anyway- that’s one thing Mormons and Catholics agree on.
 
nebula said:
kev,

Way too much information. No *good *mormon girl would be having sex with a man she isn’t married to anyway- that’s one thing Mormons and Catholics agree on.
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yes and no
catholic believe sex is a sin,
but if children come of out it then it makes more followers,
thus now we have more people
thus we become the biggest church in the world
catholic number has gone up 750,000,000 in 25 years.
while some church who are harsh on sex struggle to
be recognized
i.e mormons witnesses
 
kevangreen said:
yes and no
catholic believe sex is a sin,
but if children come of out it then it makes more followers,
thus now we have more people
thus we become the biggest church in the world
catholic number has gone up 750,000,000 in 25 years.
while some church who are harsh on sex struggle to
be recognized
i.e mormons witnesses
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Catholics do not believe that sex is a sin. They believe that fornication is a sin, which is a slightly different issue; last time I recall hearing anything about it, the LDS also said that fornication was a sin.

And practicing LDS families are now more likely to have a large (ie, something more than the current “designer” number) of children than practicing Catholics, all to many of whom never met a Pill they didn’t like. and as to your statistics, you might want to qualify where you read that number.
 
otjm said:
Catholics do not believe that sex is a sin. They believe that fornication is a sin, which is a slightly different issue; last time I recall hearing anything about it, the LDS also said that fornication was a sin.

And practicing LDS families are now more likely to have a large (ie, something more than the current “designer” number) of children than practicing Catholics, all to many of whom never met a Pill they didn’t like. and as to your statistics, you might want to qualify where you read that number.

cara.georgetown.edu/bulletin/index.htm

check it out

large or not lds population is goin down
missionaries are far less successful
and people are leaving just as fast as they
are comin
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Dear Nebula - some more information from an old book regarding Marriage in the Catholic Church -

“II The Prohibitive Impediments - 1. Vow. Marriage is rendered illicit by the simple vow not to marry, the vow of virginity and perfect charity, the vow to receive the Sacred Orders or to embrace the religious life. 2. Legal Relationship. In those countries in which relationship resulting from legal adoption is a prohibitive impediment by civil law, it is so also by canon law. 3. Mixed Religion. The Church most severly forbids everywhere marriages between two baptised persons one of whom is a Catholic, the other a member of a heretical or schismatic sect; if there is danger of perversion for the Catholic party or the offspring, the marriage is forbidden also by divine law. 4. Unworthiness. The faithful shall be deterred from contracting marriage with those who have notoriously renounced the Catholic faith without, however, joining a non-Catholic sect, or with those who are notoriously affiliated with societies condemned by the Church. If a public sinner or one notoriously under censure, refuses to go to Confession beforehand or to be reconciled with the Church, the pastor shall not assist at his marriage, except for grave reasons, about which he shall, if possible, consult the Ordinary. In addition to these, there are a few other impediments which are not generally likely to occur. With regard to all such matters it is very important to consult the Priest when arranging for the marriage.”

Nebula, I think you need to have a Bishop involved in your RCIA instructions. God bless you and may Mary keep you. I hope you understand the gravity of the situation you are in. I still think you should Baptise your children yourself. Just get the formula right and let them know at the Rectory so it can be recorded.
 
GailMac,

Yes, that is an old book. The current law of the Church, while similar to what you posted, is quite different.

All that matters in this discussion is whether or not Nebula, a baptised Catholic, could validly (as far as the Catholic Church is concerned) marry outside the Catholic Church.

The question is not as complicated as it seems.

Dan
 
Gail,

I don’t think I should just baptize my children unless their lives are threatened.

I felt the gravity of the situation, which is why, if you scroll up, I called my archdiocese’s office for the marriage tribunal and asked them about my case and they told me my marriage is valid. So no, I’m not going to worry about it.
 
Dear Nebula - I’m glad you called your local archdiocese. A marriage tribunal isn’t a substitute for a Bishop. I think a Monsignor can in his sted, help in the same capacity. Once you’re reconciled, you will need a dispensation to marry your hubby, also only a Bishop can give. I know some here think a civil marriage contains a sacrament, but I don’t.

Peace,

Gail
 
Gail,

It’s not a sacramental marriage, I only needed it to be valid. So in case anyone else is confused, the tribunal office did not tell me it was a sacrametnal marriage, they said it was valid. How is this possible you ask? Well as I said earlier, when I formally joined MOrmonism I knew it may or may not be considered a formal renunciation of teh Catholicism I was baptized into and if it could be considered as such my marriage would then be considered valid. That’s how it turned out.

I hope that helps.
 
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