Married gay man denied communion at mother's funeral in Amite 'very surprising,' official says

[Regina7]

This whole scenario leaves me shaking my head. I find it astonishing that in this day and age, with all the publicity on gay marriage, and the Church’s stance against it, that we have so MANY incidents like this happening. *Really? *

Are there really any openly gay, living-in-sin, publicly “married” gay people that are truly ignorant of how the Catholic Church feels about this issue? Really??? Have they been living under a rock with no access to the outside world?

This man publicizes his gay marriage in the obituary, is sitting in the pew with his “husband” (who knows how they were comporting themselves as they sat there, they may have been flaunting it, who knows?) He hasn’t been to Mass in ages, but he’s a former altar boy, so he must know something about Catholic beliefs. He’s openly, publicly living in sin, having sex with another man, in a state of mortal sin, an apostate for not attending mass (another mortal sin) and he thinks he and his “husband” can just waltz up to the priest and get the Body of Christ? And he is shocked that the priest says “no?” I say “good for the priest.”

The same goes for the blind, deaf and dumb gay Catholic school teachers who sign a contract promising to do nothing scandalous, and to uphold Catholic beliefs, who then get publicly “married” and then profess shock when they get fired, like they never could have imagined their employer could possibly be displeased with them! These people are playing stupid, and not very convincingly. Have they no shame? I guess not.

Amen!

 

[Tantum_ergo]

This whole scenario leaves me shaking my head. I find it astonishing that in this day and age, with all the publicity on gay marriage, and the Church’s stance against it, that we have so MANY incidents like this happening. *Really? *

Are there really any openly gay, living-in-sin, publicly “married” gay people that are truly ignorant of how the Catholic Church feels about this issue? Really??? Have they been living under a rock with no access to the outside world?

. . .
The same goes for the blind, deaf and dumb gay Catholic school teachers who sign a contract promising to do nothing scandalous, and to uphold Catholic beliefs, who then get publicly “married” and then profess shock when they get fired, like they never could have imagined their employer could possibly be displeased with them! These people are playing stupid, and not very convincingly. Have they no shame? I guess not.

I hate to say this, but as a nearly 59 year old Catholic lay person who has pretty faithfully attended Mass over those years, in more than one diocese, I can tell you that if one were to consider what the priests in the average parishes where I have been have said over those years, not to mention some of the bishops, **they were NOT taught authentic Catholic teaching regarding the above sins.

If you have been attending a parish where Father McRegular Guy has spent a dozen years telling the people how WONDERFUL they are, never mentioning sin, never talking about anything at Mass other than how on our ‘faith journey’ God loves us JUST AS WE ARE, how we should tolerate and love each other and NEVER NEVER JUDGE. . .while the CCD classes/teachers make felt banners of rainbows and learn about protecting Mother Earth and the children’s entire catechesis is “God loves you, be nice”. . . You may indeed never have imagined that marrying your same-sex partner is ‘against’ the Church. After all, you’ve been told for decades that all those musty dusty ‘rules’ went out with Vatican II and the new springtime, and it is only a matter of TIME before what is already being ‘ok’ with Father McRegular gets approved by the Pope.

There are more of these ‘faith communities’ in the US (and elsewhere) than a lot of us would like to believe, and sadly, many of us have been enduring them, with much prayer, for decades now. . .
**

 

[boomerang]

I hate to say this, but as a nearly 59 year old Catholic lay person who has pretty faithfully attended Mass over those years, in more than one diocese, I can tell you that if one were to consider what the priests in the average parishes where I have been have said over those years, not to mention some of the bishops, **they were NOT taught authentic Catholic teaching regarding the above sins.

If you have been attending a parish where Father McRegular Guy has spent a dozen years telling the people how WONDERFUL they are, never mentioning sin, never talking about anything at Mass other than how on our ‘faith journey’ God loves us JUST AS WE ARE, how we should tolerate and love each other and NEVER NEVER JUDGE. . .while the CCD classes/teachers make felt banners of rainbows and learn about protecting Mother Earth and the children’s entire catechesis is “God loves you, be nice”. . . You may indeed never have imagined that marrying your same-sex partner is ‘against’ the Church. After all, you’ve been told for decades that all those musty dusty ‘rules’ went out with Vatican II and the new springtime, and it is only a matter of TIME before what is already being ‘ok’ with Father McRegular gets approved by the Pope.

There are more of these ‘faith communities’ in the US (and elsewhere) than a lot of us would like to believe, and sadly, many of us have been enduring them, with much prayer, for decades now. . .
**

That’s sad. They need to start preaching hellfire.

 

[EIF5A]

I hate to say this, but as a nearly 59 year old Catholic lay person who has pretty faithfully attended Mass over those years, in more than one diocese, I can tell you that if one were to consider what the priests in the average parishes where I have been have said over those years, not to mention some of the bishops, **they were NOT taught authentic Catholic teaching regarding the above sins.

If you have been attending a parish where Father McRegular Guy has spent a dozen years telling the people how WONDERFUL they are, never mentioning sin, never talking about anything at Mass other than how on our ‘faith journey’ God loves us JUST AS WE ARE, how we should tolerate and love each other and NEVER NEVER JUDGE. . .while the CCD classes/teachers make felt banners of rainbows and learn about protecting Mother Earth and the children’s entire catechesis is “God loves you, be nice”. . . You may indeed never have imagined that marrying your same-sex partner is ‘against’ the Church. After all, you’ve been told for decades that all those musty dusty ‘rules’ went out with Vatican II and the new springtime, and it is only a matter of TIME before what is already being ‘ok’ with Father McRegular gets approved by the Pope.

There are more of these ‘faith communities’ in the US (and elsewhere) than a lot of us would like to believe, and sadly, many of us have been enduring them, with much prayer, for decades now. . .
**

I wonder what it’s like at Orthodox parishes. Are there “liberal” Orthodox parishes?

 

[Thomas_White]

The apology by the archdiocese is totally confusing. If the Church does not ever deny communion and a Diocese spokeswoman can say: “We don’t deny people communion. Who are we to judge whether they believe or not? It’s between you and God,” then why is receiving Communion by either those Catholics who are in a same sex-marriage or those who are divorced and remarried without having attained an annulment even an issue within the Catholic Church? What is there for the synod to even discuss?

Is this not a recognition of the primacy of conscience?

 

[boomerang]

The apology by the archdiocese is totally confusing. If the Church does not ever deny communion and a Diocese spokeswoman can say: “We don’t deny people communion. Who are we to judge whether they believe or not? It’s between you and God,” then why is receiving Communion by either those Catholics who are in a same sex-marriage or those who are divorced and remarried without having attained an annulment even an issue within the Catholic Church? What is there for the synod to even discuss?

Is this not a recognition of the primacy of conscience?

It is very confusing. All Catholic bishops - in fact, all Catholics - need a lesson on Catholicism 101. Many have forgotten that the Church isn’t a democracy or a popularity contest.

 

[JimG]

The apology by the archdiocese is totally confusing. If the Church does not ever deny communion and a Diocese spokeswoman can say: “We don’t deny people communion. Who are we to judge whether they believe or not? It’s between you and God,” then why is receiving Communion by either those Catholics who are in a same sex-marriage or those who are divorced and remarried without having attained an annulment even an issue within the Catholic Church? What is there for the synod to even discuss?

Is this not a recognition of the primacy of conscience?

Well yes; if no one is ever to be denied communion, why even prepare children for the reception of the sacrament? Why not just admit anyone to the sacrament? But that is not what St. Paul advises.

 

[Mongo]

The statements by the bishop and the reverend saying the priest should not deny communion are problematic. The priest administers the sacrament, yet he is not supposed to deny communion to those who have publicly gone against church doctrine and morality. Next they are going to claim that a priest can’t refuse to perform a wedding just because the two people getting married are both gay men. ‘It is the job of those who come forward to determine that they are the proper gender.’ If the statements of the archbishop are true, then the church has become lame and powerless. They might as well just accept gay marriage publicly because they are already doing it Passively by going along with it.

 

[Mongo]

Well yes; if no one is ever to be denied communion, why even prepare children for the reception of the sacrament? Why not just admit anyone to the sacrament? But that is not what St. Paul advises.

Why even tell people that what they do is sinful if the church, and more specifically, the priest administering the Eucharist have no right or responsibility to deny the sacrament to those in public conflict with the Church? What you end up with is a church whose doctrines and moral teachings are just words on a page, while they act contrary to those words through their passive acceptance of contradictory ideas.

 

[Memaw]

That’s sad. They need to start preaching hellfire.

Chances are, they don’t even believe in Hell anymore! Some will be in for a big surprise to learn that Jesus meant what He said !!, God Bless, Memaw

 

[Memaw]

The apology by the archdiocese is totally confusing. If the Church does not ever deny communion and a Diocese spokeswoman can say: “We don’t deny people communion. Who are we to judge whether they believe or not? It’s between you and God,” then why is receiving Communion by either those Catholics who are in a same sex-marriage or those who are divorced and remarried without having attained an annulment even an issue within the Catholic Church? What is there for the synod to even discuss?

Is this not a recognition of the primacy of conscience?

Another false idea. Our conscience MUST be rightly informed and it is our own responsibility to have a rightly informed conscience according to the teachings of the Catholic Church. If even a Bishop says something against the Church, we are NOT to obey that Bishop. God Bless, Memaw

 

[sarah_j]

There’s something fishy about this whole story and until we have all the facts
I am giving the Archbishop the benefit of the doubt.
Archbishop Aymond has been a blessing to the Diocese of New Orleans
and has never caused me to have the slightest doubt about his orthodoxy.

The article says that Ardillo stated he recd. a letter of apology from
Archbishop Aymond, but the Archbishop has declined comment.

I feel badly that the priest is being castigated in the press for doing the right thing.
Ardillo seems to be using what happened to further the gay agenda.

The quotes in the article came from a layman in the Baton Rouge
Archdiocese, not from Aymond.
I hope that Archbishop Aymond issues a statement to clarify the situation.
Until we know all the facts, I am going to have trust in Aymond.
He is a good man and a good leader in the Church.

Also, the Archdiocese’ website was hacked:

A Statement from the Archdiocese of New Orleans
Communications • Mon, Jul 20 2015 at 10:03am

The website and Facebook page for the Pastoral Care of Persons with Same-Sex Orientation, also known as LGBT, have been deactivated. An unauthorized person was able to access the website and post information that contradicts the teaching of the Catholic Church. We deeply regret that this has happened and are taking steps to secure the websites…

 

[outremer]

Chances are, they don’t even believe in Hell anymore! Some will be in for a big surprise to learn that Jesus meant what He said !!, God Bless, Memaw

Agreed with Memaw. I have only heard Hell mentioned less than a dozen times in Catholic parishes. And the Biblical readings do not count.

 

[Cider]

I’m disappointed that Bishop Meunch would apologize for the fact that this man was denied communion when he is in a civil same sex marriage. I’d rather see him supporting his priests who are expected to maintain the sanctity of the sacrament and protect people from falling into further sin by receiving unworthily.

 

[Cider]

Wow, sounds like you have sure drank the gay lobby Kool-Aid! Does the church then discriminate against all sinners because it tells them they can’t receive communion unless they are in a state of grace? Did Jesus discriminate against the Scribes and Pharisees by pointing out their hypocrisy? There’s a big difference between being gay, and living the so called gay lifestyle.

You seemed to have missed the sarcasm that is obvious with the quotes around “bigot” in the post you are responding to.

 

[Thomas_White]

Another false idea. Our conscience MUST be rightly informed and it is our own responsibility to have a rightly informed conscience according to the teachings of the Catholic Church. If even a Bishop says something against the Church, we are NOT to obey that Bishop. God Bless, Memaw

I know and figured it was implied in my question. I guess I should have made it clearer. It is what I saw as a complete misunderstanding of Church teachings in the statement by the diocese spokeswoman.

 

[Memaw]

I know and figured it was implied in my question. I guess I should have made it clearer. It is what I saw as a complete misunderstanding of Church teachings in the statement by the diocese spokeswoman.

I agree!! If she really is a Diocesan spokeswoman she should KNOW better or she shouldn’t even hold that title. God Bless, Memaw

 

[Mongo]

I agree!! If she really is a Diocesan spokeswoman she should KNOW better or she shouldn’t even hold that title. God Bless, Memaw

Also, what is spokeswoman doing contradicting the actions of a priest? I don’t think her word has any authority behind it. Besides, is there no loyalty to the priests of the Church? Now we have spokeswomen going behind the backs of priests and condemning their actions. The fact that this priest was upholding the faith makes it pure evil.