Married Priests: From West to East

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But we HAVE married priests hundreds of them it’s already a fact and I see no detriment
Some Catholic churches have married priests. Roman Catholic churches do not. In the Ordinariate there are - these are Anglican converts. I can see I’m going to have go back to an old thread and regurgitate all this info. once more.

The term Rites is incorrect to differentiate between the different Catholic churches. If you had read the link I provided, you’d see why. It says: ‘churches’ not ‘rites’.
 
Some Catholic churches have married priests. Roman Catholic churches do not. In the Ordinariate there are - these are Anglican converts. I can see I’m going to have go back to an old thread and regurgitate all this info. once more.
Some are members of the ordinariate some have chosen the regular diocesan role. Converts or not they are Roman Cathoic priests. So ROMAN Cathoic churches do have married priests
 
Some Catholic churches have married priests. Roman Catholic churches do not. In the Ordinariate there are - these are Anglican converts. I can see I’m going to have go back to an old thread and regurgitate all this info. once more.

The term Rites is incorrect to differentiate between the different Catholic churches. If you had read the link I provided, you’d see why. It says: ‘churches’ not ‘rites’.
Roman Catholic Churches do have married priests. Priests cannot marry in any Catholic or Orthodox Church, however, married men can be ordained to deacon and priest. This is an exception in the Roman (Latin) Catholic Church but the norm in most Eastern Catholic Churches. Whether Anglican converts, Episcopalian converts, Lutheran converts, Baptist converts or whatever - these men are just as much Roman Catholic priests as any celibate.
 
There is no proof that St. Peter was married by the time he entered the role given him by the Lord apart from a brief mention of his mother-in-law but no account of a ‘wife’. Please check Scripture.
Please double check Sacred Tradition as well.
 
I think Eastern churches broke form Rome not the other way around.
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There is such a thing as obedience. If everyone just did whatever they wanted then there would be no Church. We’d all be little protestant islands unto ourselves barricaded in and thinking we know best. Fortunately, the RCC has stood the test of time and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against her, and neither will those other churches fall to satan if they remain in communion with Rome and abide by papal authority. The fact that divisions have healed is a good thing but not if people try and tell Roman Catholics that our priests might as well be married to wives. Then this is not peace.
So is it peace when the Roman Church forces the UNITED Eastern Churches copy the Romans? What happened to love your church?

Double standard?

You have a strange way to going tangential when confronted with facts. What does who broke with whom matter, when we were discussing loving one’s church and following the Tradition of one’s Church without forcing other Church’s to imitate it?
 
Some are members of the ordinariate some have chosen the regular diocesan role. Converts or not they are Roman Cathoic priests. So ROMAN Cathoic churches do have married priests
Back again…in the meantime I’ve revisited an old thread like a spectre in a deserted theatre… and remembered that there are such things as ‘special dispensations’ for priests who move from another church into the RCC and I think this might include eastern churches but not sure as I thought (going by the link you still haven’t read) priests were encouraged in the Catholic Church to stay put and live the life their homeland Church decrees.

And we have the Ordinariate (who like to keep the frills and buckles of their own liturgical preferences).
 
Back again…in the meantime I’ve revisited an old thread like a spectre in a deserted theatre… and remembered that there are such things as ‘special dispensations’ for priests who move from another church into the RCC and I think this might include eastern churches but not sure as I thought (going by the link you still haven’t read) priests were encouraged in the Catholic Church to stay put and live the life their homeland Church decrees.

And we have the Ordinariate (who like to keep the frills and buckles of their own liturgical preferences).
Yes I understand that but we have former Anglican clergy who are married and who have converted, been ordained and are not members of the ordinariate. De facto we have married priests and they sky hasn’t fallen in
 
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So is it peace when the Roman Church forces the UNITED Eastern Churches copy the Romans? What happened to love your church?
We do ‘love’ that is why we force you (:D) No, seriously, there have grown fruits of discussion over the years and the churches have been growing ever closer. It is not a forced union. The split was unfortunate but you are sorting it out now your end (:p)
Double standard?
To be fair, St. Peter did go to Rome, so…the prerogative was for eastern churches to sort it out. And move from schism. Either we are obedient or we are not. The rules are there to adhere to or break. Either way, we are in communion now, and that is what matters.
You have a strange way to going tangential when confronted with facts. What does who broke with whom matter, when we were discussing loving one’s church and following the Tradition of one’s Church without forcing other Church’s to imitate it?
Because I was initially venting my fury at posters undermining the beauty of priestly sanctity in not marrying and was “forced” to defend our beloved Roman Catholic Church in all her glory. For me, the reason why it is important to add this ‘Roman’ on the end of CC, is purely and simply to show true allegiance to Papal authority and to bow to our history right back to Biblical times, of adhering piously to papal authority, and the Dogmas which have grown thereon in. The “virginal” sacrifice of priests is also something sacred and holy and not to be trampled on by those who don’t understand why it is so.
 
Because I was initially venting my fury at posters undermining the beauty of priestly sanctity in not marrying and was “forced” to defend our beloved Roman Catholic Church in all her glory. For me, the reason why it is important to add this ‘Roman’ on the end of CC, is purely and simply to show true allegiance to Papal authority and to bow to our history right back to Biblical times, of adhering piously to papal authority, and the Dogmas which have grown thereon in. The “virginal” sacrifice of priests is also something sacred and holy and not to be trampled on by those who don’t understand why it is so.
Who in this thread has attacked Roman Catholic tradition of priestly celibacy? I’ve read through the thread, and I don’t see it. Defending eastern traditions does not equate with attacking western traditions.
 
Yes I understand that but we have former Anglican clergy who are married and who have converted, been ordained and are not members of the ordinariate. De facto we have married priests and they sky hasn’t fallen in
No. You are speaking about the Ordinariate.
 
Who in this thread has attacked Roman Catholic tradition of priestly celibacy? I’ve read through the thread, and I don’t see it. Defending eastern traditions does not equate with attacking western traditions.
A few pages back there were comments that shouted “Propaganda!”. Maybe not from you, but there were, and this is why I came into the discussion briefly. Only reason. I take no issue with eastern churches but do remain validly in love with the RCC. I believe she holds the truest ways of living the Catholic faith in many aspects. I do not doubt you believe the same of eastern churches. I am also equally disposed to the fact that there are probably many beautiful ways in which the Catholic faith is expressed in eastern churches too and maybe oneday will experience them - many wonders that all churches can share with each other in time.
 
A few pages back there were comments that shouted “Propaganda!”. Maybe not from you, but there were, and this is why I came into the discussion briefly. Only reason. I take no issue with eastern churches but do remain validly in love with the RCC. I believe she holds the truest ways of living the Catholic faith in many aspects. I do not doubt you believe the same of eastern churches. I am also equally disposed to the fact that there are probably many beautiful ways in which the Catholic faith is expressed in eastern churches too and maybe oneday will experience them - many wonders that all churches can share with each other in time.
The poster who mentioned propaganda was not attacking the celibate priesthood; rather, he was referring to claims made by some that perpetual continence was required of married priests in the ancient Church. He may not be correct in that assessment, but I did not see in any of his posts an attack on the Roman practice of a celibate priesthood.
 
Roman Catholic Churches do have married priests. Priests cannot marry in any Catholic or Orthodox Church, however, married men can be ordained to deacon and priest. This is an exception in the Roman (Latin) Catholic Church but the norm in most Eastern Catholic Churches. Whether Anglican converts, Episcopalian converts, Lutheran converts, Baptist converts or whatever - these men are just as much Roman Catholic priests as any celibate.
These are called ‘special dispensations’ (I think?).

There is probably a clause in Canon Law that says they cannot continue in conjugal relations with their wives.
 
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We do ‘love’ that is why we force you (:D) No, seriously, there have grown fruits of discussion over the years and the churches have been growing ever closer. It is not a forced union. The split was unfortunate but you are sorting it out now your end (:p)

To be fair, St. Peter did go to Rome, so…the prerogative was for eastern churches to sort it out. And move from schism. Either we are obedient or we are not. The rules are there to adhere to or break. Either way, we are in communion now, and that is what matters.

Because I was initially venting my fury at posters undermining the beauty of priestly sanctity in not marrying and was “forced” to defend our beloved Roman Catholic Church in all her glory. For me, the reason why it is important to add this ‘Roman’ on the end of CC, is purely and simply to show true allegiance to Papal authority and to bow to our history right back to Biblical times, of adhering piously to papal authority, and the Dogmas which have grown thereon in. The “virginal” sacrifice of priests is also something sacred and holy and not to be trampled on by those who don’t understand why it is so.
And priestly sanctity has zero to do with being married. Marriage is a holy as chastity
 
To be fair, St. Peter did go to Rome, so…the prerogative was for eastern churches to sort it out. And move from schism. Either we are obedient or we are not. The rules are there to adhere to or break. Either way, we are in communion now, and that is what matters.
Oh, dear brother, our Father moved from our original home near Chicago to your new home outside New York, therefore it is up to me to put out all fire even those you’ve started… 🤷
Because I was initially venting my fury at posters undermining the beauty of priestly sanctity in not marrying and was “forced” to defend our beloved Roman Catholic Church in all her glory.
Not sure if this is serious or the fantastical of all comedic moments. No need to “defend” the Roman Church is a room full of siblings.
For me, the reason why it is important to add this ‘Roman’ on the end of CC, is purely and simply to show true allegiance to Papal authority and to bow to our history right back to Biblical times, of adhering piously to papal authority, and the Dogmas which have grown thereon in. The “virginal” sacrifice of priests is also something sacred and holy and not to be trampled on by those who don’t understand why it is so.
Your absurd “defence” is a scourged earth tactic.
 
These are called ‘special dispensations’ (I think?).

There is probably a clause in Canon Law that says they cannot continue in conjugal relations with their wives.
No there isn’t. I know a few married Roman priests, only 1 made the promise not to have conjugal relations with his wife - with his wife’s permission and both vowing witnessed by their bishop.
 
These are called ‘special dispensations’ (I think?).

There is probably a clause in Canon Law that says they cannot continue in conjugal relations with their wives.
Actually, a ruling has been made that they are not required to abstain from conjugal relations with their wives. I’ve seen it posted on this forum by one of the deacons who is a member.
 
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