Martin Luther supported polygamy...

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Angainor said:
What!? Yea, right. “husband of one wife” has nothing to do with polygamy.

By the way a widower who marries has one wife.For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.
Romans 7:2
I am not advocating breaking any contracts or breaking any laws against polygamy.

What about it?
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“Bishop with one wife” refers to having been married only once. Look at the Eastern rite. A widower who remarries after the death of his spouse has had two wives.

“If it a’int in the Bible…” the ‘it’ refers to anything. If celibacy a’int there Protestants don’t want to know about it, etc., etc. They have trouble enough understanding and accepting what IS in the bible.

Well, I agree with you about Protestants. They are on their own horns.

peace
 
Ginger2 said:
mgrfin,

one definition for curse is, “an evil that has been invoked upon one”

Ya done me wrong, mgrfin. Ya done me wrong
…when you called me a liar.
…when you said “Luther should have condemned polygamy. Therefore he supported it.” but refused to apply this same standard to Augustine. Then accuse me saying “Ginger is trying to dirty his name because Luther’s is so smudged.” (I gave the reference: Saint Augustine On the Good of Marriage Chapter 15)

…when you set the criteria and then refuse to follow it yourself. I have shown you a quote where Luther condemns the practice of having more than one wife. You cannot show me a quote where Augustine denounces polygamy. It was you who set the standard - not me.

…when you continue to post spurious quotes “But Luther, he hated the Jews, and would love for them all to be exterminated.” and refuse to provide the source. Where is your source for this accusation? The 9th commandment say “Thou shalt not bear false witness”

Or does your Bible read “thou shalt not bear false witness unless you don’t like the person”/

I could go on and on, but what is the point? You don’t seem to care whether what you say is true or not.
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Your definition of ‘curse’ is what I said.

You want to go all over that Luther and polygamy thing again? I have other things to do. That has been resolved.

Is this a scene from “Frankie and Johnnie”?

No one here lied about you, Ginger. While checking out cursing, check out also 'giving false witness". Who here lied under oath? Give it up, and move on.

peace
 
Oh, I see…
So you were not under oath. Then it is OK to repeat false statements and twist other people’s word’s.

All is for given then. 🙂
 
Ginger2 said:
Oh,

All is for given then. 🙂
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Thank you, Father.

But, absolutely not. I was correcting your definition of ‘bearing false witness’. Lying under oath is worse than lying, but that is a Catholic thing which you would know anything about.

peace

p.s. I never lied either, or ‘bore false witness’. And I am still awaiting my apology.
 
mgrfin said:
“If it a’int in the Bible…” the ‘it’ refers to anything. If celibacy a’int there Protestants don’t want to know about it, etc., etc. They have trouble enough understanding and accepting what IS in the bible.
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Actually, the Bible does have something to say about celibacy.
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
1 Timothy 4:1-5
Well, I agree with you about Protestants. They are on their own horns.
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What? I’m not familiar with that idiom.
 
Angainor said:
Actually, the Bible does have something to say about celibacy.
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
1 Timothy 4:1-5

What? I’m not familiar with that idiom.
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It’s a term from Aristotelian Logic: On the horns of a dilemna.
 
Ginger2 said:
mgrfin,

No need for you to apologize to me. I forgive you. 🙂
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Your forgiveness is gratitutious. I haven’t offered an apology.

However, I am looking for your apology, at which time I will forgive you.

peace
 
mgrfin,

You love to demand apologies - one after another.
But you are not really after an apology.
You just like to ask for them and pretend you have been wronged in some way.

In post 217 you accuse me of being someone else. Isn’t that against forum rules?
 
Ginger2 said:
mgrfin,

You love to demand apologies - one after another.
But you are not really after an apology.
You just like to ask for them and pretend you have been wronged in some way.

In post 217 you accuse me of being someone else. Isn’t that against forum rules?
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No, I just thought you were an Alter Christus. I guess I was wrong.

peace
 
I forgive you both and that doesn’t change the fact that Martin supported polygamy for opportunist reasons.
 
why_me said:
I forgive you both and that doesn’t change the fact that Martin supported polygamy for opportunist reasons.
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I agree. Luther supported polygamy for opportunistic, political reasons. We should not lose sight of that.

peace
 
Now that we are all forgiven can we agree that the luthern church seeks to hide Martin’s support for polygamy? I think we can. 🙂
 
why_me said:
…Martin supported polygamy for opportunist reasons.
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First, Luther didn’t “support polygamy.” He never told anyone they should go out and marry more women.

He simply didn’t take a stand against someone who insisted polygamy was not morally wrong. He didn’t have standing to declare that person morally wrong. There exists no standing for declaring such a person morally wrong. Unwise, maybe, but not morally wrong.

Was it opportunistic? It sounds rather inconvenient, almost embarrassing that a religious leader has to come out and admit that he can’t declare this person is wrong.
 
Martin Luther always had an interesting way of explaining his opinions and interpretation of scripture, History continues to prove that Luther was unfit to preach.
 
Angainor said:
First, Luther didn’t “support polygamy.” He never told anyone they should go out and marry more women.

He simply didn’t take a stand against someone who insisted polygamy was not morally wrong. He didn’t have standing to declare that person morally wrong. There exists no standing for declaring such a person morally wrong. Unwise, maybe, but not morally wrong.

Was it opportunistic? It sounds rather inconvenient, almost embarrassing that a religious leader has to come out and admit that he can’t declare this person is wrong.
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Plse now, we’ve been thru this. Martin Luther supported polgamy. Period.

That he didn’t order it doesn’t mean he didn’t support it in this case, which he did for political reasons.

Please re-read all the previous posts in this thread so we don’t have to go thru this agony again.

Thanks

peace
 
Ginger2 said:
Oh, I see…
So you were not under oath. Then it is OK to repeat false statements and twist other people’s word’s.

All is for given then. 🙂
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So much for accusing someone falsly.

So, are you apologizing and asking forgiveness?
 
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