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Angainor
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You have no standing to make such a declaration.
P.S. Check out [thread=192357]this new thread[/thread].
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P.S. Check out [thread=192357]this new thread[/thread].
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mgrfin
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Angainor
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On what basis, your gut feeling?
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Ginger2
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How can I provide a reference for something that doesn’t exist? There is no evidence that Augustine ever condemned polygamy.
On the Good of Marriage Ch 15:
“…who reads with careful attention what use they made of their wives, at a time when also it was allowed one man to have several, whom he had with more chastity, than any now has his one wife, of these, unto whom we see what the Apostle allows by way of leave…”
“…by way of leave” (ie dispensation)
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mgrfin
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Our western civilization has not yet discarded the principle of ‘one man, one wife” – i.e. the principle of the UNITY of marriage. This essential property of marriage is a necessary deduction from its primary object, which is the procreation of children. The simultaneous possession by one woman of more than one husband is clearly and directly opposed to the natural law. Any breach of the law re: marriage, would be a general promiscuity of the sexes. The few examples of customs tolerating such promiscuity are a sign of decadence among the communities in which they exist. Polygamy was allowed by God for the Jews under the Old Dispensation, although monogamy was the primitive law of nature. But now, under the New Law of the Gospel, this dispensation or toleration has been abolished, as well as the limited toleration of divorce and marriage is restore to its pristine dignity.
Christ brought back matrimony to the nobility of its primeval origin, by condemning the custom of the Jews in their abuse of the plurality of wives, and of their power in giving Bills of Divorce. He raised Marriage to the dignity of a Sacrament, He made marriage a wondrous type of the mystical union between himself and his Church. He not only perfected that love which is according to nature, but also made the natural union of one man with one woman far more perfect through the bond of heavenly love.
“Nor did Christ Our Lord wish only to condemn any form of polygamy or polyandry, as they are called, whether successive or simultaneous, and every other external dishonorable act, but, in order that the sacred bonds of marriage may be guarded absolutely inviolate, He forbade also even willful thoughts and desires of such like things: "But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her hath already committed adultery with her in his heart. Which words of Christ Our Lord cannot be annulled even by the consent of one of the partners of marriage for they express a law of God and of nature which no will of man can break or bend “ Casti Canubii.
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mgrfin
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I think you are putting words in his mouth. He never supported polygamy. He never condemned it.
There is no evidence that Augustine ever condemned polygamy.
On the Good of Marriage Ch 15:
“…who reads with careful attention what use they made of their wives, at a time when also it was allowed one man to have several, whom he had with more chastity, than any now has his one wife, of these, unto whom we see what the Apostle allows by way of leave…”
“…by way of leave” (ie dispensation)
But neither did I, so what is your argument?
Are you still out to cast aspersions on this great Saint?
Why don’t you stop it.
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Ginger2
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Quote mgrfin: “Are you still out to cast aspersions on this great Saint? Why don’t you stop it.”
First you say “What did he know?”
Then you accuse me of “casting aspersions on him.” 
You are too funny.
My point goes why back to the criteria set by you. Like firey said. No one is perfect. Not even Catholics.
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estesbob
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But the Church is.Quote mgrfin: “Are you still out to cast aspersions on this great Saint? Why don’t you stop it.”
First you say “What did he know?” then you accuse me of “casting aspersions on him.”
You are too funny.
My point goes why back to the criteria set by you. Like firey said. No one is perfect. Not even Catholics.
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Ginger2
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You said that to be funny, right?
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mgrfin
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If you are quoting Fiery, then quote them on this:Quote mgrfin: “Are you still out to cast aspersions on this great Saint? Why don’t you stop it.”
My point goes why back to the criteria set by you. Like firey said. No one is perfect. Not even Catholics.
Originally Posted by fierysword1920
You will not change any Catholics mind with protestantism, there is no evidence on this earth that supports protestantism as being superior or right in lieu of Catholicism and in fact Christianity would not exist if it were not for the Catholic church. So tell me please, what is the arguement about, is it still that someone has missinterpreted or misstranslated some obscure text about Mother Mary having sinned, or is it really about some who regret that they no longer are in the faith and they wish that they could come back and in reality could and should yet maybe it is their own pride and vanity holding them back.
Lets get this out in the open because this message board has been a waste of time for two weeks and I have waiting for something interesting to spring forth from all of this banter.
Your Protestant faith doesn’t give you what you want. You keep coming back to this site, and this thread to carp and complain that you have found something objectionable in the Catholic faith, or something some of its great Saints have said, so you are determined to get back at us for your loss of the Faith.
I personally am fed up with all of this carping you throw at us. I am asking you to stop it.
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Ginger2
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Quote mgrfin quoting fiery: “Christianity would not exist if it were not for the Catholic church”
You seem so confused…the truth is: Christianity would not exist if it were not for Christ Jesus.
Hope this clears things up.
You seem so confused…the truth is: Christianity would not exist if it were not for Christ Jesus.
Hope this clears things up.
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estesbob
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Jesus and his Church(the Catholic Church) are one and the same. You cant seperate one from the other. Hope this clears things up.Quote mgrfin quoting fiery: “Christianity would not exist if it were not for the Catholic church”
You seem so confused…the truth is: Christianity would not exist if it were not for Christ Jesus.
Hope this clears things up.
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St_Violet
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we should be thankful that Jesus Christ provided us christianity through the Church he established on Peter, and with many other early church fathers who were inspired by Christ to fight for the survival of christianity, under roman pagan persecution and also under the invasion of barbarians, etc with their ideas of centralizing Christianity in Rome.
We thank Christ that he died for us and influenced The Church to fight and provide us his Teachings.
We thank Christ that he died for us and influenced The Church to fight and provide us his Teachings.
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mgrfin
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I thought you gave up on this issue. I come back 10 days later, and you are still at it, only worse - misquoting Augustine’s Letter on Matrimony.Quote mgrfin: “Are you still out to cast aspersions on this great Saint? Why don’t you stop it.”
First you say “What did he know?”
You are too funny.
My point goes why back to the criteria set by you. Like firey said. No one is perfect. Not even Catholics.
The fault can’t possibly be yours. You are here to merit for yourself ‘gold stars’. The stars, however, are made of paper.
Maybe you’ll agree to stop all this carping about good, no, great Augustine.
I’m recommending to the Moderator that this thread be closed~
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Ginger2
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Yes! Yes, I did “give up”. I quit dialog-ing with you and ignored you. But you continued to direct your posts about Luther to me even in a thread that had nothing to do with Luther.
So I came back.
And now you complain?
If you don’t want to talk about Luther why did you bring it up in the purgatory thread? 
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mgrfin
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Smering a great Saint, as you have done continually is no excuse for you to continue this rant. Quoting him out of context is no excuse for your inferiority complex.Yes! Yes, I did “give up”. I quit dialog-ing with you and ignored you. But you continued to direct your posts about Luther to me even in a thread that had nothing to do with Luther.
So I came back.
And now you complain?
Your faith gives you no peace, so you will not relent. This not about polygamy anymore; this is about gettting even with Catholics, and Catholicism, which in your narrow thinking has done something to your life and hapiness. Get help.
Please stop it, curtail it, end it.
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fierysword1920
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Just look at all the mormons and their cases of 13 year old girls having to or rather being forced to marry older male cousins. Polygamy is evil and it is against natural law. Think about in terms of your ownself. If you married a man and you loved him and all of a sudden he wanted to marry another woman into your house and sleeps with you one night and her another. How would this make you feel, i’ll tell you, insanely jealous, hurt and wrathfully resentful and angry. You would feel this way justifiably so and no one could blame you. We as people can not share our mates, it is unnatural and cannot work. Anyone who says it can is a liar or is brainwashed and deluded. That is why cults like mormons practiced this widely in other ages and many still do hold to this tradition in secret. So don’t tell me it is not evil, that just sounds ignorant.
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fierysword1920
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Sounds like a winner to me fin. Polygamy is dead wrong, and I would say that the wage for this sin is probably death.
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Ginger2
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Who said it is not evil?… don’t tell me it is not evil, that just sounds ignorant.
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fierysword1920
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I beleive, Ginger, that Agrainor or something like that stated that it was never touched upon directly as being wrong.
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