Martin Luther vs. The Bible

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If you can prove these doctrines by scripture I will concede they are correct…but you have offered no support for them. You essentially are complaining because I am direct? I am beginning to think you are unable to defend your beliefs
 
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If you can prove these doctrines by scripture I will concede they are correct…but you have offered no support for them. You essentially are complaining because I am direct? I am beginning to think you are unable to defend your beliefs
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After 400 years, we are not likely to resolve these issues on an internet message board.

The solas of the Reformation have been defended by better men than I and the contrary Catholic positions by men better than you. These defenses and debates are to be found all over the internet.

If that is your thing, have fun with it.

My point was that making asinine and pointless assertions about the beliefs of others is something anyone can do and is, really, of very little value.
 
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If you can prove these doctrines by scripture I will concede they are correct…but you have offered no support for them. You essentially are complaining because I am direct? I am beginning to think you are unable to defend your beliefs
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Can we concur that we are justified by Grace alone through faith in Jesus Christ?
vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html
Together we confess: By grace alone, in faith in Christ’s saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works
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As long as we accept that the sacraments are “the signs and intruments by which the Holy Spirit spreads the grace of Christ the head throughout the Church which is the body” (CCC, 774).
 
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As long as we accept that the sacraments are “the signs and intruments by which the Holy Spirit spreads the grace of Christ the head throughout the Church which is the body” (CCC, 774).
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Of course. The sacraments, along with the word, are His means of grace.

Jon
 
We fouund middle gorund on Sola Gratia, so theres one spot of common ground. Think we can look at the other 4?
 
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Tell me what your understanding is and we’ll go from there
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Cool! It is because of Christ alone, His passion, death and ressurection, that we are reconciled to God and receive the Holy Spirit, and not because of any merit of our own.

Jon
 
That part I defintely agree with, but I was also under the impression that Christ alone was our intercessor, whereas I believe in the intewrcession of the Saints
 
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That part I defintely agree with, but I was also under the impression that Christ alone was our intercessor, whereas I believe in the intewrcession of the Saints
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Christ alone is our intercessor. I believe the saints and all of the Church Triumphant pray for us, the Church Militant, in a general sense. Whether or not they hear (or need) our prayers of intercession scripture is not clear (and yes, I know what Catholics mean by these kinds of prayers, and I don’t believe it to be idolatry). Still, I am understanding of the fact that Catholics and Orthodox have practiced this for centuries, and many gain great consolation from it.

Jon
 
Carl,
I most go, but I will check your response tomorrow. Before I do, I want to thank you for this dialogue, as you will agree we’ve already found areas of agreement, for which I thank God.

His peace be with you this evening,
Jon
 
I am finding trouble finding it definitively in Scripture, though I can find allsions to it, but I need more time, and to be honest more reference materials. I am new to apologetics and only have a Chatechism and Bible, and one book about how to defend aginst Chick Tracts…but you are not of that camp obviously 😉
 
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