Martin Luther your own personal views on him?

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I feel so stupid now. Thank you guys for putting me straight on this.
 
Sadly, he was a greatly, profoundly psychologically tortured soul. Today, he would very likely be diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Read his writings! Read what his fawning lieutenant Philipp Melanchthon had to say about him.

This is important today, as he initiated a division in the Body of Christ - which was not from God and is yet to be healed. And sadly, his abnormal psychology formed his theology - thus he went off the rails.

Honestly, I believe that his visceral, gut-wrenching hatred of the sitting Pope, and later the Church, drove him off the edge. At the end, he became what he hated - the risk of all hate.
 
Not to worry. I have come across articles like that before and they confuse people and I am not a fan of those types of articles.
 
Totally agree, I also feel he suffered mental illness towards the end.
 
Martin Luther was an anti-Semite.

Ever read his book “On the Jews and their Lies”? It’s available online for free on pdf. It’s disgusting, and very revealing about Luther, and awful.

Here’s a sample…

"I wish and I ask that our rulers who have Jewish subjects exercise a sharp mercy toward these wretched people, as suggested above, to see whether this might not help (though it is doubtful). They must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in, proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did in the wilderness, slaying three thousand lest the whole people perish. They surely do not know what they are doing; moreover, as people possessed, they do not wish to know it, hear it, or learn it. There it would be wrong to be merciful and confirm them in their conduct. If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs, so that we do not become partakers of their abominable blasphemy and all their other vices and thus merit God’s wrath and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Now let everyone see to his. I am exonerated. "
Martin Luther
From “On the Jews and Their Lies” (1543)
 
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“Usually if individuals are commemorated on stamps they are saints.”

LOL !!

Thanks for a good laugh with that article, @englands123. One of the best theological April Fools jokes I’ve read.

ETA : I mean it really seriously. I’m home from conducting a particularly gloomy funeral (Reformed pastor here) and it did me good.
 
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April Fools… I hate when that happens. When I was a teenager, and an excellent math student, I was fooled by some stunning findings announced in the Mathematical Recreations column of Scientific American magazine. I related them to my dad and he knew they couldn’t be true, but I didn’t figure that out until years later.
 
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MasterHaster said:
It would be an interesting to speculate where the Catholic Church would be today without the Reformation.
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Such questions are good to think about. Did God will (or permit) the Reformation to preclude some greater catastrophe? I tend to think so.
 
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repentant2 said:
I think he was a mentally ill person, who suffered from scrupulosity and he was taken advantage of by German princes who wanted to use his theological positions to grab themselves more power by forming a national Church under their control.
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I think his overall historical legacy is more complicated than that–by a quite a bit–but I think this is certainly a big part of it.
 
Sorry but this is ridiculous. He is a heretic. This would be like Arius being made a Saint. The stuff he said about the pope being the anti Christ? He was completely hostile to the Church and ruptured it most likely forever and if he was made a Saint, it would cause a complete schism in the Catholic Church. Like, people who are just every Sunday more traditional OF mass people but not to the point they go to EF Mass would begin flocking to groups like the SSPX that the Church would be divided and it would be a new schism and probably many bishops would also leave the Church. It would be an apostasy move if they ever made Luther a Saint and would undermine what the Church teaches in indescribable ways to the point the entire hermeneutic continuity would be ruptured. Sounds like a doomsday and really it would be for the Church. In fact that could well be a theological reason to show the Pope has fallen into heresy.
 
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paperwight said:
Sudden thought - OP, are you perhaps thinking of Martin Luther King? He hasn’t been made a saint either, but it would make a tiny bit more sense than the 16th century Martin Luther.
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Not really. The Church can respect him but he was a Baptist and was known to take part in adultery. He could never be a Saint either. Like Ghandi, the Church respects him totally but he could never be a Saint.
 
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At least we aren’t starting the Brigham Young canonization thread yet
 
Martin Luther is NOT a Catholic saint. Personally, I think Satan used what Martin Luther was going through to bring about this split in Christianity. Its been said Martin Luther disagreed with the Catholic teachings due to corrupt Catholic authorities and that he tried to help get things “back on track.” I think ego played a role in those he tried to “reform” and in his own self when he was rejected. But as far as Catholic Teaching, that’s been Truth long before the corrupt Catholics or Martin Luther. I think Satan capitalized on all of that and here we have a split.

When I think of other Catholic saints who had tough lives with Catholic church authorities – why did they not “reform?” They maintained and they became saints. When St. Simeon was asked to get down from his tower by church authorities who thought he was nuts, he was obedient. There have been so many Catholic saints who were questions by church authority on their visions and talents. St. Bernadette, St. Joseph of Cupertino etc etc. So many stories, they didn’t go off and start their own religion. Now they are venerated as role models…as saints.
 
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paperwight:
Sudden thought - OP, are you perhaps thinking of Martin Luther King? He hasn’t been made a saint either, but it would make a tiny bit more sense than the 16th century Martin Luther.
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Not really. The Church can respect him but he was a Baptist and was known to take part in adultery. He could never be a Saint either. Like Ghandi, the Church respects him totally but he could never be a Saint.
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I didn’t say he had been. I was just trying to provide an explanation of why the OP could possibly believe something so preposterous and therefore untrue as Luther being canonised.

Martin Luther King would be a little more believable for a Catholic than Martin Luther, although obviously still wrong.
 
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One thing about Martin Luther, and his breaking from the Catholic church, shows how far the effects of our choices and sins can go.
 
This is one of those things that you have to take with a grain of salt, much like the alleged statue of Martin Luther in the Vatican, as far as I know there is not one there. I really wish people would stop assuming that rumours are true, they’re probably not which is why they’re rumours. as for my own opinion on Martin Luther, I think he was a scrupulous man that was very intelligent, but didn’t know how to deal with his own perceived sinfulness. I think, that had he a bit of a better education, even though he had a fairly good one, we would not have had the Protestant revolt, and Martin Luther would be among the calendar of Saints. Now, whether or not he is in Heaven, that’s up to God to judge not me. I think it possible that Martin Luther came up with his theology because he was having a mental breakdown, not because he legitimately believed it. it’s hard to tell with Luther, because he gave into hyperbole quite a bit. So, as it stands, I have a highly negative opinion of his theology, although I have an even more negative opinion of Calvinism , but I have great respect for how intelligent the man himself was. I hope I do see him in Heaven, by God’s grace that I end up there. My dad’s family was Lutheran (most of them have since become Catholic), and my Lutheran grandmother on that side of the family was a very sweet lady, but I don’t see why she couldn’t have been a very sweet lady being a Catholic.
 
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