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seven77
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Do you believe that Hail Mary has only one son and that is our Lord Jesus Christ?
Do you believe that She is ever virgin?
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Do you believe that She is ever virgin?
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byoby
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Keikiolu
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That’s fine.
You’re not obliged to believe anything you don’t want to.
Since you’re not a Catholic, you’re free to do as you wish in the area of faith and morals.
So why do you care if anyone has a belief different than yours?
If it’s just to supply us with a “counter irritant” to refine our reasoning as to why we DO believe what we believe, then all we can do is thank you very much indeed…!
So,… thanks dude…!
Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaika
i ia oe. Aloha nui.
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Mannyfit75
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The Catholic Church has never professed nor believed that Mary is a diety. Her queenship is due to her relationship with her son, Jesus Christ.
Co-redemptrix my friend is with, or co-operation. It’s not equal. You got this all wrong. Mary participated with the redemptive work of Jesus Christ with her FIAT (Be it Done unto me according to your Word). She remain faith from the moment she was born. So great was Mary that God choose her to be the Mother of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
When Catholics addressed her as co-redemptrix and mediatrix is due to her free will to accept God’s will. She herself can do nothing with God. She is depend on the divine assistance of the Almighty Creator.
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byoby
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Just trying to figure out where this belief comes from.That’s fine.
You’re not obliged to believe anything you don’t want to.
Since you’re not a Catholic, you’re free to do as you wish in the area of faith and morals.
So why do you care if anyone has a belief different than yours?
If it’s just to supply us with a “counter irritant” to refine our reasoning as to why we DO believe what we believe, then all we can do is thank you very much indeed…!
So,… thanks dude…!
Mahalo ke Akua…!
E pili mau na pomaikai iaoe. Aloha nui.
Iron sharpens Iron!
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RebeccaJ
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Atheists use it as well.
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paarsurrey
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Hi
I being an Ahmadi Muslim think that our Catholics friends unnecessarily attach physical relationship between GodAllahYHWH and Mary which in my opinion is not supported by scriptures but is a misconception and exaggeration due to not correctly understanding the usage of the words God, son of God and Father which has only a metaphoric usage in the OTBible.
If this is clearly understood to start with and not stretched too far from the usage in the OTBible and everything is placed in its appropriate place, many misunderstandings/differences of the Catholics with the Non-Catholics (the Christians said to be having 32000+ denominations) would be resolved in my opinion or at least the tension released with an understanding.
This point has ben explained well by the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 in his writings.
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swariffin
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Dear Paarsurrey,
How on earth that you claim that Catholics attach physical relationship between God and Mary. Perhaps you could clarify this to me since I never find it from any Catholic teaching. Is it your own conclusion?
I do not understand what you mean by “not streched too far from the usage of the OTbible”. If a christian does not depend on the bible (both OT and the NT), then he/she is not a christian. It is as simple as that. Why don’t you take your own position but the other way around. Forget your PromisedMessiah 1835-1908’s writing, and take both the OT and NT instead.
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paarsurrey
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Hi
Kindly see the thread “Salvation requires belief in Mary’s Perpetual VIRGINITY?”
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=194503
that suggests that at least 50% Catholics believe in physical terms, otherwise “Perpetual VIRGINITY” makes no sense.
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Montalban
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How does believing you exist *attach a physical relationship *between you and I?
I’ve never even met you. So how’s believing in Mary’s virginity do this?
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seven77
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Sorry i was busy last few days ago. I am back. Could you explain me why you said No?
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Montalban
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where’s paarsurrey?
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seven77
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First i am not agree with you that you use her only Name Mary.
She is blessed you should add with Her name, Mother Mary, Hail Mary or Blessed Mary. As you give to respect to yours other prophets and saints. So you are in Catholic Forum so you should learn here respect about Mother Mary or Haily Mary. Yours Holy Book also give lot of respect to Hail Mary.
So first give her respect then ask yours any other qesution.
So yours answer is this that we Catholic believe on Holy Trinity and its mean Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
So Jesus is the Son of Hail Mary. So we are brother of Jesus who follow Him. So Haily Mary is our Mother too.
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byoby
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Because in the bible Jesus had brothers.
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byoby
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Is the Pope kneeling to God or Mary? How do you say that Mary is the Pope’s mother? Why not just ask The Father, through Jesus we can boldly go to the throne. I see no problem with remembering someone with an image but I do wonder if we should draw the line there. Sorry if my questions are silly.
I have many questions about this practice as well.
I am not saying that the Pope is evil, just that this practice seems to give the appearance of a practice greatly condemned in all of the Bible. Why even give the appearance of idolatry when we are told to flee from it.
Are you calling me names?
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Mannyfit75
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Nope he didn’t.
Who, then, exactly were the brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ?
It is best to start by looking at St. John 19, 25. There it is evident that the Virgin Mary had an older sister whose name was also Mary: "Meanwhile, standing near the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene."
Turning next to the Gospel of St. Mark 15, 40, speaking on the same point: "There were also women looking on from a distance; among them were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger (Less) and of Joses (Joseph), and Salome." Who is this “Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses?” Of the Marys mentioned in St. John 19, 25 it must be Mary the wife of Clopas, not Mary the **“mother of Jesus,” as the Virgin Mary is never mentioned by any other title except as “mother of Jesus.” **Further, we know that the father of James the younger was Clopas, the husband of Mary of Clopas (St. Mark 3, 18), making Mary of Clopas James’ mother. As for Jude, he was also a son of Clopas and the Virgin Mary’s sister as Scripture speaks of him as a brother of James the younger: “James son of Alphaeus (Clopas), and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the brother of James” (Acts 1, 13 [Douai]). Consequently, Our **Lord had cousins by the names of James, Joseph and Jude.**13
One can safely state then that the "brothers" of Our Lord as mentioned in St. Matt. 13, 54 -57 being James, Joseph, Jude etc. are in fact the same James, Joseph and Jude just determined to be His cousins. This was St. Jerome’s assertion in the early fourth century:
"Suppose that the Brethren of the Lord were Joseph’s sons by another wife. But we understand the Brethren of the Lord to be not the sons of Joseph, but cousins of the Saviour, the sons of Mary, his mother’s sister."14
St. Augustine was no less strident in his defence of the Virgin Mary’s perpetual virginity:
"It is written (Ezekiel 44, 2):** ‘This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it. Because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it…’ **What means this closed gate in the house of the Lord, except that Mary is to be ever inviolate? What does it mean that ‘no man shall pass through it,’ save that Joseph shall not know her? And what is this -‘The Lord alone enters in and goeth out by it,’ except that the Holy Ghost shall impregnate her, and that the Lord of Angels shall be born of her? And what means this - ‘It shall be shut for evermore,’ but that Mary is a Virgin before His birth, a Virgin in His birth, and a Virgin after His birth."15
It would be forcing credibility to believe that the Virgin Mary and Her older “sister” both had the same names and also had children with the same names. One can expect, also, that after St. Joseph died the Virgin Mary would have gone with Our Lord to live with or nearby Her older “sister,” explaining why She was travelling with those mentioned in St. Matt. 12, 46. It is a clear example of the word “brother” being used to refer to a first or second cousin.
It is also important to examine closely three major events in Our Lord’s life referred to in the Gospels: (i) the return of the Holy Family from Egypt to Nazareth after the death of Herod; (ii) the finding of the Child Jesus in the Temple of Jerusalem after being lost for three days; (iii) Our Lord giving His Mother to the care of St. John at His crucifixion. Our Lord, according to tradition, was 10, 12 and 33 years of age respectively when these events occurred. Yet, never is there any mention of brothers or sisters of His being present, which one would naturally expect if they had actually existed.
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Mannyfit75
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Kneeling doesn’t necessary** mean to worship to**. In the days of royalty. We have King David bowing to his mother, Bathsheba.
Because Christianity is a religion that focuses on praying for one another. We can rightly ask those in heaven to pray for us. Their death does not separate us from the Body of Christ, since they see God face to face. They are closer to God than you and I.
There is no harm in asking Mary or the saints to pray for us. In fact Paul supports it.
First Timothy 2:1-5 said:
Statues and icons in the Church is not idolatry. Statues and icons are no different than the photos of your family at home. They are mere reminders of the Christians who died before us. How they live the life of a good Christian life.
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swariffin
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Dear Paarsurrey,
I am in the thread also, and I have followed it from the beginning. If you come into a conclusion that the Catholics believe a physical relationship between God and Mary, I think you misunderstood us. Belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity is a sort of theological conclusion, and it is nothing to do with salvation as mentioned by the topic of the thread. Theology may strengthen faith but it is faith which saves, not theology. That is why I believe that physical relationship between Mary and God is your conclusion after following this thread. If you want to know the Catholic view, it is far-far-far insufficient just by following this thread and make your own conclusion.
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Keikiolu
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Would you kneel at the side of your mother’s bed, to ask her to pray for you and your friends and enemies?
Kneeling does not mean, “I put you in a place not yours but God’s alone!”
Kneeling means, “I put you in high esteem, since you can help me to implore God for help”.
Mary, as Mother of God, is all humanity’s mother; the Mother of her Son, our Brother, Jesus,… and the Pope, as I recall, is one with us in our humanity.
We do ask the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and the Communion of Saints, which includes Mary in a very special and uique way.
Why would you limit yourself to asking for help from only a portion of those capable of helping you ask for help from God?
Yur questions aren’t silly at all. Your understanding of the Communion of Saints is just a bit lacking.
Jesus “gave the appearence” of being a person UTTERLY condemned in the bible. A “blasphemor who said he was God”.
Does that make Jesus “wrong”…?
Because it is NOT the appearance of idolatry, once it is actually SEEN, and not merely hallucinated.
If to “see” a person begging their mother to pray for him is to “see” idolatry, then the “seer” is having some serious problems with perception.
And their problem is entirely one of prejudice, based on the evil intentions of those who would like to see a son asking his mother for her prayers destroyed for being “evil”.
Thanks be to God…!Are you calling me names?
May blessings always be with you. Most love to you.
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byoby
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Why would the cousins of Jesus be hanging out with Mary the mother of Jesus?
What about when Jesus is refered to in the Gospels as Mary’s firstborn son, this seems to imply that there were more. If this were not so then would they have used only son instead of firstborn son?
It is also said in the Gospels that Joseph & Mary consecrated their marriage after Jesus was born.
How is your view reconciled with Pslam 69:8 when it is said that he would be rejected by his mother’s children?
Of course these would have to be half brothers & sisters because there father would be Joseph and not Father God.
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