Mary and her role? (Multi-Merged)

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Because in your first post on this thread, you quoted po18guy’s comment about private devotions?
Please, PLEASE, read the responses. That is not what anyone said. You will still be Catholic even if you do not pray to Mary and the Saints. I REPEAT - YOU WILL STILL BE CATHOLIC.
I guess there’s a bunch of folks here that disagree with you.

my comment: *Then that to be a Catholic you must pray to Mary and the saints because you must pray with the priest the prayers of the mass.
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answer from brb3
Yes, at least weekly, on the Lord’s Day …just as first century Christians did !!

Only those with health problems are excused from attendance !! Its a mortal sin to miss w/o valid need to.
answer from Elizium23
Elizium23 said:
The only part of the Mass that I am aware of that invokes Mary and the saints (and the angels) directly is the Confiteor. And yes, when the priest chooses that option, the assembly is required to pray it with him. So yes, it is compulsory for Catholics to believe in and pray to the Communion of Saints.

You have to make the responses, you have to sing, you have to participate “fully, actively, and consciously” in the Mass in order to live up to the requirements of the Church.
No reference to po18 whatsoever
 
Out of curiosity are you Catholic because it is confusing that your account profile says you are Catholic but your questions are typical of a Protestant or are you a lapsed Catholic?
 
Yes. Thank you. Its been helpful I think. I’m still a little bit confused because the all the variations of the answer.

I think I have my answer. It is a true statement that to be Catholic you must pray to Mary and the saints, at least once a week in Mass.

pray - entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea
I will add a qualifier…not only Mary and the saints…but the angels too…and our brothers and sisters present at the Mass. 🙂
 
Have you read the Book of Tobit yet? It should help with your concerns about intercession and sometimes the angels and saints intercede for you without you specifically praying to them or asking a specific saint or angel to pray for you. This would also be consistent with the Wedding Feast at Cana where Mary intercedes for the couple when they run out of wine.
see thread below. I have answers. I hope so, because I’d be freaked out if someone now chimes and and battles brb3 and Eliza’s answers.

I hope to have One Holy Catholic and Apostolic answer!
 
Out of curiosity are you Catholic because it is confusing that your account profile says you are Catholic but your questions are typical of a Protestant or are you a lapsed Catholic?
baptized as a baby
 
I never said I had a problem with praying to saints and Mary. You did. All I asked is if its necessary to pray to Mary and the saints to be Catholic.

What I have a problem with is that I am getting 2 answers on this forum. Some say you never have to pray to Mary and the saints and others say yes you do at least once per week in the Mass.

Why the anger and personal attacks?

Are people here afraid to say “Yes” Catholics are required to pray to Mary and the saints in mass?
The problem is the same as it was 8 hours ago, you are using the term “pray to” as if we are substituting Mary, the saints and angels for God we are not. We only use them as intercessors which I and 20 others have told you. Catholics also have different types of prayer. Four Basic Forms of Prayer
Blessing and Adoration (praising God)
Prayer of Petition (asking for what we need, including forgiveness)
Prayer of Intercession (asking for what others need)
Prayer of Thanksgiving (for what God has given and done)
Prayer of Blessing and Adoration

In this prayer we express praise and honor to God. We praise God for giving us life, for the wonder and beauty of our world, and for all the many blessings we enjoy. We open ourselves up to praise God for all the wonders of creation. This form of prayer encourages bodily expression, such as standing with arms raised or dancing.

Prayer of Petition

This is probably the most familiar prayer form of prayer. We are often taught to ask God for the things we need, but asking and praying for them are not necessarily the same. When we pray our petitions, we are asking God, who loves us very much, for something that we believe is good—for ourselves or for others. By using this form of prayer we are mindful of the needs of others as well as of our own needs. We are aware that God wants us to bring our problems and worries to prayer knowing that he will always hear and answer those prayers. God may answer our prayers in a different way and in a different timeframe than we are seeking but God will always give us what we need.

Prayers of petition serve to remind us that God expects us to care for one another and for all his creation. We can pray about the ordinary experiences of life— for people who are sick, for someone who needs a job, for help in our school work, for a safe trip. We pray for peace in our families and in our world. We can also express our sorrow and contrition to God in our prayer.

Prayer of Intercession

This form of prayer is prayer on behalf of others. This form of prayer can be a source of blessing upon others, the Church, and our world. Because we know that Our Lady and the saints intercede for us before God, the Church encourages us to pray to them for their intercession. Such prayer can bring us great strength and courage and also great peace of mind and heart.

Prayer of Thanksgiving

This form of prayer helps us to be grateful for God’s many blessings, spiritual and temporal, and helps us to recognize and appreciate all the good things God gives to us. Reserving some time to praise and thank God for his gifts—the gift of life; the gift of our families and friends; the gift of food, clothing, and shelter; and the numerous other gifts we often take for granted—helps us to form a true spirit of gratitude.

Tips for praying:

Find a quite place and time. Prayer can be done anywhere but it is good to have a place that is conducive to relaxing and focusing our attention on God. Finding a regular time to pray each day can also be helpful to making prayer an important daily routine.
Calm yourself and put away distractions. It is important to be relaxed when we pray by finding a comfortable posture.
Use formal prayers or speak what you feel to God, or a combination of each. It is important to note that there is no “right” way to pray. Experiment with styles and forms of prayer. Prayer is an ongoing, developing relationship with God.
Take time to listen. God does speak to us in prayer but we need to listen with our hearts. Be open to what God is telling you rather than just on what you want to or expect to hear.
Use the Bible in your prayer
Keep a journal of prayer
Have a proper attitude. Prayer requires openness to God and a desire to worship and get to know God better.
Meditative prayer

Meditation is one of the many styles of prayer. Meditation engages our head and heart in seeking a deeper union with God. It enables us to slow down and quiet our hearts so that we can hear God’s voice and communicate with God in a deeper way. Mediation can last a few minutes or hours. It can strengthen our relationship with God and allow us to get in touch with ourselves.

The process of meditation can involve several steps:

Find the time and place which is conducive to meditation. It is important to pick a time when one is alert and able to focus and a comfortable and quiet place.
Prepare to pray by relaxing your body so that you can devote your attention to prayer. Some people use muscle relaxing exercises and breathing exercises.
Choose a word or phrase to focus your attention on God. Some people use “Jesus” or “Abba” or “Jesus saves” or “Jesus loves me.”
Connect the word or phrase with your breathing. Silently repeat the word or phrase in tune with your breathing. Let the word resonate within you. The repetition helps to focus on and remain open to God’s presence. If you become distracted, focus again on repeating the word or phrase.
 
The problem is the same as it was 8 hours ago, you are using the term “pray to” as if we are substituting Mary, the saints and angels for God we are not. We only use them as intercessors which I and 20 others have told you.
I think you should re-read the entire thread from start to finish. I am using the pray just as it is defined:

pray - entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea

I never once mentioned I had an objection to praying to Mary and the saints. I mentioned that bible teachers do and I mentioned there is a lot of preachers out there that say they do You should re-read the posts and you will see what I say is true.

I asked for, and now I am paraphrasing, ONE Holy Catholic and Apostolic answer to the question “Must Catholics pray to Mary and the saints to be Catholic” .

The answer I got, after almost 25 pages of posts is “yes” a Catholic MUST pray to Mary and the saints!

I have posted not a single commentary about that response other than thank you.
 
I think you should re-read the entire thread from start to finish. I am using the pray just as it is defined:

pray - entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea

I never once mentioned I had an objection to praying to Mary and the saints. I mentioned that bible teachers do and I mentioned there is a lot of preachers out there that say they do You should re-read the posts and you will see what I say is true.

I asked for, and now I am paraphrasing, ONE Holy Catholic and Apostolic answer to the question “Must Catholics pray to Mary and the saints to be Catholic” .

The answer I got, after almost 25 pages of posts is “yes” a Catholic MUST pray to Mary and the saints!

I have posted not a single commentary about that response other than thank you.
Do you understand there are different forms of prayer because that makes a huge difference. We don’t want to send you along and have you confused if you get questioned by a Protestant who objects to intercessory prayer.
 
see thread below. I have answers. I hope so, because I’d be freaked out if someone now chimes and and battles brb3 and Eliza’s answers.

I hope to have One Holy Catholic and Apostolic answer!
Don’t worry…I call em straight !!! No one will correct me … ha !
 
If you say Form A of the penitential rite at the beginning of mass then yes you would ask for the intersession of Mary and the angels and Saint but it isn’t always said or said in Form A. We do not pray to Mary or the Saints or Angels in place of God, we always pray and ask for their intersession. More importantly we are praying with Mary and angels and Saints during the consecration of the Eucharist. Someday the veil will be lifted and man will see what has been there all along that heaven and earth are one. It helps if your Bible doesn’t omit the Book of Tobit.
I also answered your question around 4:00pm
 
Thank you for helping me. I hope so because its really hurtful to be belittled by people.
Amos, let’s be honest: You have numerous fundamental and foundational problems with the Catholic Church. The very manner in which you ask your single loaded question reveals that. You incessantly repeat the exact same loaded question - without even stopping to clarify or re-phrase it; you refuse to dialog; you refuse to consult the numerous publications that have been presented to you on several occasions; you refuse to explain, in even the simplest of terms, what you think a Saint or the Communion of Saints is; you will not answer even the most basic of inquiries into your current beliefs, inquiries intended to inform and illuminate a dialog; you refuse to ask your question of a professional apologist as suggested; you now claim to be a victim of mean-spirited Catholics simply because what appears to us as an anti-Catholic agenda has been exposed. What are we supposed to make of this? That you might be incredibly dull-witted, or lack human understanding? No! You have revealed, by refusing to interact with members and to abandon your loaded question, only that you seek “ammunition” to use against the Catholic Church.

For that reason, I believe that the Holy Spirit has stymied your progress here. In a recent post, you stated that you were considering the Catholic Church. You have been given many resources to refer to, as numerous honest, seeking Christians here have done. The proper thing to do would be to go and peruse those resources, then return with honest questions. You have refused to do even this, which seems to render null and void your claim of considering the Church, and tends to support that you have an agenda against the Church.
 
Amos, let’s be honest: You have numerous fundamental and foundational problems with the Catholic Church. The very manner in which you ask your single loaded question reveals that. You incessantly repeat the exact same loaded question - without even stopping to clarify or re-phrase it; you refuse to dialog; you refuse to consult the numerous publications that have been presented to you on several occasions; you refuse to explain, in even the simplest of terms, what you think a Saint or the Communion of Saints is; you will not answer even the most basic of inquiries into your current beliefs, inquiries intended to inform and illuminate a dialog; you refuse to ask your question of a professional apologist as suggested; you now claim to be a victim of mean-spirited Catholics simply because what appears to us as an anti-Catholic agenda has been exposed. What are we supposed to make of this? That you might be incredibly dull-witted, or lack human understanding? No! You have revealed, by refusing to interact with members and to abandon your loaded question, only that you seek “ammunition” to use against the Catholic Church.

For that reason, I believe that the Holy Spirit has stymied your progress here. In a recent post, you stated that you were considering the Catholic Church. You have been given many resources to refer to, as numerous honest, seeking Christians here have done. The proper thing to do would be to go and peruse those resources, then return with honest questions. You have refused to do even this, which seems to render null and void your claim of considering the Church, and tends to support that you have an agenda against the Church.
I considered this too, but lets give him benefit of doubt. If his intentions are evil/hostile …he will not succeed. Lets all hope Amos is sincere, and just wishing to expedite his learning curve.
 
I considered this too, but lets give him benefit of doubt. If his intentions are evil/hostile …he will not succeed. Lets all hope Amos is sincere, and just wishing to expeIdite his learning curve.
I am leaving it to the awesome power of the Holy Spirit. I was just assembling the evidence as presented. Probably was a cop for too long. 😦
 
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No, it was not uncharitable; if it sounded that way, I apologize. I was pointing out that you had issues, in the form of questions, PRIOR to coming to the forum. Your above quote made it seem as if the forum was the cause of your ‘problem’. . People ARE answering you.I hope they are helpful.
Ok. Sorry I apologize for offending you. I only had a problem in my own mind regarding what I thought are 2 answers to the same question. I’m re-reading everything so I can fully understand. I agree people are answering and I appreciate all the thought going into these answers. Thank you very much.
 
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2nd time people…one more and I close the thread.

About 15 posts have been removed and at least 2 edited for being off topic. Citations have also been issued.
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Is asking questions about if praying to Mary is required for Catholics on topic? There were a bunch of threads added into one along the way.

I thought I’m just getting somewhere. Gee I hope I can read and re-read all this information before it gets deleted.
 
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