Mary as Immaculate Conception

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Well then we will just go by what you say OK…lets see…who called me a liar…Oh sorry you did’t see that.
No one called you a liar, that I can tell, but maybe you should just try to stay on topic, since evidently when you perceive someone as wronging you here, no one knows what you’re referring to.

Peace to you sister.
 
Yankee_driffter…I don’t think guanophore has a clue what you are saying…Guanophore, the New Testement is not a C book for crying out loud…it was for everyone…Chirst died for everyone…Jews and Gentiles…Peter preached to the Jews and Paul to the Gentiles…we are the gentiles unless you are a Jew. If you are a Jew then Peter would have been pres=aching to you , but I don’t think they have a Pope…anyway, in Matt. 6:7 it talks about repetisious praying…Oh yes its there.
Matt 6:7, and the reasons some invalidly translate βατταλογεω with “(vain) repetition” is a separate topic. If you want to discuss that go here:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=1767764&highlight=Battalogeo#post1767764
 
Oops! I posted a bit too prematurely.

I watched the video again after posting and I guess I missed the ending the first time…
because I found the ending…well, a little bit…

guess what word I’m going to use…

dare I say it…

[SIGN1]tacky![/SIGN1]

I just didn’t like the artist proclaiming, “King Jesus!”. It seemed a bit over the top.

Now, I HAVE NO PROBLEM THEOLOGICALLY WITH PROCLAIMING JESUS AS MY KING. It just made my eyes roll in the song.

Who knows, maybe if I had been present in the audience during a live performance I would have been the first one to stand on my chair and sing at the top of my voice, “ALLELUIA! GO KING JESUS!” I dunno…
You are one sour person. I really will keep you in prayer. There is no way you can be a happy person and be the way you are. WOW
 
Hi Leslie
can u state what makes asking Mary to pray to Jesus for us
a from of worship.
1.That Simon guy asked Peter to pray to Jesus so that X would not happen to him( this was not worship of Peter)
2. richman asking Lazarus/Abraham to help his brothers on earth…not worship of laz/abrhm

Is it because Mary is not on earth?
Is it because u think Mary bypases Jesus when she prays for us to Jesus?
Is it because we may not say "in the name of Jesus " when saying the hail Mary?
Is it because all forms of communication to heaven Is automatically worship and can only be directed to Jesus/god?
What specifically is it in the “hail Mary” that trips over line to worship for u?

I know u have probably answered this 101 times…
 
[SIGN]You are one sour person. [/SIGN] I really will keep you in prayer. There is no way you can be a happy person and be the way you are. WOW
🍿 This is really great! Let’s let the Forum members see who’s the “sour person” in this discussion.

Posts from Leslie to all sorts of different individuals here:
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Leslie_Polley:
[SIGN]You are truly a moron[/SIGN]…It sstates in LARGE PRINT…All have sinned EXCEPT>>>EXCEPT EXCEPT JESUS…This absolutally proves my point YOU DO NOT READ or your comprehension is null…EXCEPT JESUS>>>GOD>>>THE HOLY SPIRIT>>>>>EXCEPT THEM !!!
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Leslie_Polley:
[SIGN1]You are really a sarcastic peice of work[/SIGN1]…I was "SIMBOLICLY washed in the blood when I accepted Jesus as my personal Saviour and at that time my sins were covered…
That was not your question Mr…I wish I could bet money…Your question was to show you where in the bible it shows that Jesus had other siblings…Good grief, it was your question and you cannot even follow that.
Of course revelation is refering to Christ …He is the redeemer Don’t ever play poker, you’;; change the game to bridge in the middle and no one will know what you are talking about…well not bridge, [SIGN1]I doubt you could play that, it takes consentration[/SIGN1]…
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Leslie_Polley:
Oh contrare…My Pastor HUSBAND taught that the only way to salvation was through the Blood of Christ, Jesus Christ. Jesus is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE. Don’t talk down your nose about “MY PASTOR” or this will get ugly. [SIGN1]Our rewards are in our works, but NOT our salvation !!![/SIGN1]!!
Originally posted by Leslie Polley NO I DID NOT SAY THAT. I said thats how you can prove it DOES NOT CONTRODICT ITSELF. [SIGN1]Can you read wisdomseeker[/SIGN1];5913974???
Originally posted by Leslie Polley
RINNIE…I was raised Catholic from birth…I have left the Church. I am no longer Catholic. Get it. [SIGN1]I am not confuseded you are[/SIGN1]
Originally posted by Leslie Polley I never said that Christ ceased to reveal Himself to man…[SIGN1]are you nuts[/SIGN1]…Do you really read anything I say. He reveals Himself in many ways. My goodness It read that Pentacostals rejected the belief of many fundamentalist that God has ceased to communicate. WE REJECTED THE BELIEFS OF SOME FUNDAMENTALISTS…man now I know why I left the church…you not only dojn’t understand, you don’t bother to read what is said correctly…
sign function by PRmerger, but the posts are all Leslie!
 
This is so sad.In having a discussion in regards to the Holy things of God,instead of thinking on Heavenly things people freak out over a song:(.
People really are a sorry mess.
Some here that are Catholic think anyone who is not Catholic is out to get them.
I didn’t post the song to remind a Catholic of how Jesus suffered.Anyone that knows Jesus already knows how he suffered.
I posted the song as a reminder to ALL OF US,not just the Catholic and not saying Catholics don’t realize how Jesus suffered and to say different is absurd.
If I would have known the song was going to be such a problem I would have never posted the song because Lord knows I didn’t post that song for CHRISTIANS to argue over for three days.Of course I’m realizing now that there are some here that are only looking for an argument and you know who you are.
The original reason I posted the song was in reference to Mary and there are some who can’t get past the song to know that this was done to honor the Mother of our Lord.No,there is some here who only want to argue and if I had not posted the song there are some here that are looking for an argument will only move on to argue with the next post they want to pick at.The Lord once said"Strain at a gnat and sallow a Camel"
 
Also to add if there are non-Christians floating around on here,do you wonder if they see the Christian acting any differently then those that are without the Lord?
 
🍿 This is really great! Let’s let the Forum members see who’s the “sour person” in this discussion.

Posts from Leslie to all sorts of different individuals here:
sign function by PRmerger, but the posts are all Leslie!
She is one angry woman (probably a former Catholic).
Her posts have been reported.
 
She is one angry woman (probably a former Catholic).
Her posts have been reported.
Thank you!

I can’t imagine what about my post saying I found the ending of a song “over the top” made me “one sour person.”

sigh!
 
Has this thread included a discussion on the holy of hollies/ark
pointing to immaculate conception
especially that only god and high priest were able to be within.
And the sacredness of the tabernacle/ark
 
Has this thread included a discussion on the holy of hollies/ark
pointing to immaculate conception
especially that only god and high priest were able to be within.
And the sacredness of the tabernacle/ark
I have yet to see this on this thread. Those are good areas to delve into n
 
🍿 This is really great! Let’s let the Forum members see who’s the “sour person” in this discussion.

Posts from Leslie to all sorts of different individuals here:

Thank yo for keeping all of my posts. Of cousre they are out of contex, but thats ok. I have settled down for the most part, however I have never been SOUR…I have been frustrated, upset, defensive, but not sour. I am actually a very happy person, and have a great deal of fun. Sour…Having a taste characturistic of that produced by acids, sharp, tart. Made acid or rancid by fermentation. Having the characteristics of fermentation, tasting or smelling of decay… Now when I typed those posts I was frustrated, and upset…however I was answering in the same “tone” as the person sending it. That was wrong on my part, and I have learned that. I try very hard not to write in caps anymore unless it is very important to me. I come from an Italian background and that is very fiery at time. This is not an excuss nor am I making one. I apparently hit a sore point with you though. Are we going to take a secret ballot or are we just going to vote on line. If we are voting on line, I vote no…not sour. I do believe most of those posts are rather old. If not, maybe I was answering you. Now I want you to have a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS. Let me know how the vote goes…

sign function by PRmerger, but the posts are all Leslie!
 
No one called you a liar, that I can tell, but maybe you should just try to stay on topic, since evidently when you perceive someone as wronging you here, no one knows what you’re referring to.

Peace to you sister.
My dear adriancombe…I do stay on topic. These posts do not follow in any paticular order and that is not easy to follow. Rest assured, when asked a question, you do get a direct answer, and it is on topic. Peace to you
 
Hi Leslie
can u state what makes asking Mary to pray to Jesus for us
a from of worship.
1.That Simon guy asked Peter to pray to Jesus so that X would not happen to him( this was not worship of Peter)
2. richman asking Lazarus/Abraham to help his brothers on earth…not worship of laz/abrhm

Is it because Mary is not on earth?
Is it because u think Mary bypases Jesus when she prays for us to Jesus?
Is it because we may not say "in the name of Jesus " when saying the hail Mary?
Is it because all forms of communication to heaven Is automatically worship and can only be directed to Jesus/god?
What specifically is it in the “hail Mary” that trips over line to worship for u?

I know u have probably answered this 101 times…
No thats fine…The hail Mary was a greeting fom Elizabeth to Mary…The second half, Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners…is not in the Bible at all…man added it. So the Hail Mary was never a real prayer to begin with. Why would you say in Jesus name when you are not praying to Him…that is a direct prayer to Mary…which is wrong. Yes to your 4th question. I miss my dad and husband that are now in heaven…I ask Jesus to say Hi for me…I do not go directly to them. I reply to 5. I do not worship Mary. I worship only God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit . So that is who I pray to, and yes I always end it, in Jesus name…because He is our ONLY mediator in the Bible. Thats what the Word says, so thats what Ido. I hope I answered your question…God Bless
 
She is one angry woman (probably a former Catholic).
Her posts have been reported.
Dear JustaServant…Yes I have been angry on this forum, I believe that I am better now or try to be. Then things like this come up and shows that I am not alone with this…for instance ( probably a former Catholic) Your right I was a Catholic, I guess thats why I get so frustrated sometimes…And ( Her posts have been reported) Is that the same as tattle tail tattle tail, hanging on the bulls tail…cannot remember the rest, I was only in the 3rd grade when I learned it…I was very open on post about being corrected. But shhhhhh yes she has been reported…shhhhhh. This is why I truly wonder sometimes about such childish things. I say what Ihave to say and 99% of the time it is about the Word, and that is what I am on this Forum for. I have moved on and have been advised by some very nice peolpe how it can be on here. ALL I want is to talk about the Word. I don’t dodge comments…I guess the Sons of Thunder and I have somethings in common. Each person is different.
 
Dear JustaServant…Yes I have been angry on this forum, I believe that I am better now or try to be. Then things like this come up and shows that I am not alone with this…for instance ( probably a former Catholic) Your right I was a Catholic, I guess thats why I get so frustrated sometimes…And ( Her posts have been reported) Is that the same as tattle tail tattle tail, hanging on the bulls tail…cannot remember the rest, I was only in the 3rd grade when I learned it…I was very open on post about being corrected. But shhhhhh yes she has been reported…shhhhhh. This is why I truly wonder sometimes about such childish things. I say what Ihave to say and 99% of the time it is about the Word, and that is what I am on this Forum for. I have moved on and have been advised by some very nice peolpe how it can be on here. ALL I want is to talk about the Word. I don’t dodge comments…I guess the Sons of Thunder and I have somethings in common. Each person is different.
When you joined CAF you agreed to follow the rules of the forum. Calling people morons is not adult and is uncharitible.
When you come into someone else’s house, you follow thier rules, not yours.
 
Originally Posted by panevino
Hi Leslie
can u state what makes asking Mary to pray to Jesus for us
a from of worship.
1.That Simon guy asked Peter to pray to Jesus so that X would not happen to him( this was not worship of Peter)
2. richman asking Lazarus/Abraham to help his brothers on earth…not worship of laz/abrhm
Is it because Mary is not on earth?
Is it because u think Mary bypases Jesus when she prays for us to Jesus?
Is it because we may not say "in the name of Jesus " when saying the hail Mary?
Is it because all forms of communication to heaven Is automatically worship and can only be directed to Jesus/god?
What specifically is it in the “hail Mary” that trips over line to worship for u?
I know u have probably answered this 101 times…
No thats fine…The hail Mary was a greeting fom Elizabeth to Mary…The second half, Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners…is not in the Bible at all…man added it.
this is not really correct - im assuming you are just generalsiing to make a point.

Hail Mary fulll of grace the lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women

this is from the heavenly greeting from an angel to Mary when the angel tells her about Jesus in Luke 1:28
DRB/RSV And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women
KJV does not use ‘full of grace’… but ‘highly favoured’

…and blessed is the fruit of thy womb jesus.

this is also stated by Elisabeth in Luke 1:41-42
(KJV) And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb

then she says in v43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

…holy mary mother of god.

she gave birth to Jesus… elisabeth words above.

I assume you wont like calling her holy…? not sure… bible says that bishops must be holy… i dont understand why the woman that gave birth to jesus cant be called holy also…

** pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death**

this is the part i know bothers you.

but i dont really understnad why, the only difference to asking your relative to pray for you (Or simon asking peter to pray for him) is that Mary is not on earth but in heaven. is she not even the more closer to jesus in heaven adn on top of this his mother.

out of time
 
I will later…but no its not a peparate topic.
I don’t see a tie in. There are obviously folks who believe in the IC who pray the rosary, but there is no direct polemic connection. IOW, I could be correct on battalogeo and incorrect on the IC. Or vice versa.
 
No thats fine…The hail Mary was a greeting fom Elizabeth to Mary…The second half, Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners…is not in the Bible at all…man added it. So the Hail Mary was never a real prayer to begin with. Why would you say in Jesus name when you are not praying to Him…that is a direct prayer to Mary…which is wrong. Yes to your 4th question. I miss my dad and husband that are now in heaven…I ask Jesus to say Hi for me…I do not go directly to them. I reply to 5. I do not worship Mary. I worship only God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit . So that is who I pray to, and yes I always end it, in Jesus name…because He is our ONLY mediator in the Bible. Thats what the Word says, so thats what Ido. I hope I answered your question…God Bless
I think you might have missed the following, so I’ll repeat it.

What do you think the Wedding at Cana is supposed to teach us? That Jesus can turn water into wine? No - that would just be showing off. This is Gospel which clearly shows Mary as a mediator.

Quote:
John 2: 1 On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there; 2 and both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine.” 4 And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come.” 5 His mother said to the servants, “Whatever He says to you, do it.” 6 Now there were six stone waterpots set there for the Jewish custom of purification, containing twenty or thirty gallons each. 7 Jesus said to them, “Fill the waterpots with water.” So they filled them up to the brim. 8 And He said to them, “Draw some out now and take it to the headwaiter.” So they took it to him. 9 When the headwaiter tasted the water which had become wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew), the headwaiter called the bridegroom, 10 and said to him, “Every man serves the good wine first, and when the people have drunk freely, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now.” 11 This beginning of His signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee, and manifested His glory, and His disciples believed in Him.
Jesus himself did not want to do the miracle, but his mother persisted. And Jesus will not refuse his mother anything. If this is not the first case of a miracle through the intercession of Mary, I don’t know what is!

John Marie Philomena
 
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