Mary as Mediatrix?

[Mintaka]

We are the Body of Christ; anything we do, we do in Him. And in fact, even non-Christians cannot do anything without Him. Even the demons depend on God for their continued existence; God could make them not be, if He chose.

But God created us to do things, to make decisions – in short, to exercise our God-given free will. God wants us to be one with Him like someone who loves Him or like a part of His Body. He doesn’t want us to be one anonymous worker bee in the hive, following His orders mindlessly, without any choice. God knows us. God loves us. God calls us by name.

He wants us to love each other, too. He doesn’t want us to treat each other like nameless worker bees, whether we are here on Earth or have passed on. He wants us to remember that cloud of witnesses and take strength from it. He wants us to be His family, to act like children of one Father who love and know each other as well as Him.

He is pleased with whatever we manage to do with His help. He doesn’t want to sign His Name to our refrigerator art or scribbled writing practice sheets, even if it was His hand moving ours all the time.

So let us sing the praises of righteous men, and righteous women, too. Let us ask them to pray with us and for us. Let us not be afraid to praise God’s children, when every father loves to hear his children rightly praised. Let us not give our other brothers and sisters the silent treatment, for fear of somehow dishonoring Our Father and His Firstborn. Heck, refusing to talk is more likely to make them unhappy.

OTOH, if you genuinely feel uncomfortable attributing any action of your own or others to anyone but God, it may be that you are being pulled toward a more contemplative prayer life, or even a religious order. This sort of surrender is what they train for; in some orders, they try never to say “my” but always “our” or “God’s”. This doesn’t mean that they consider any other way wrong, however; they follow God’s call for them and let others follow their own calls. (Christian freedom!)

 

[Mintaka]

Re: “most Catholics believe Mary is mediatrix of all graces”

Well, yeah, and most Catholics believe the sky is blue, the grass is green, and asphalt is black. It’s true and folks should know it’s true; but it’s not necessary to salvation to know it. I don’t think people should deny it, but there’s a lot of other interesting things they might prefer to investigate first.

Re: back to the topic

Look, let’s be logical. Jesus spends His time glorifying the Father and interceding for us to the Father, right? He mediates for us and sends us graces, right?

Anybody who’s part of the Body of Christ in Heaven (and on Earth, hopefully) is doing the same thing, right? Because what the Head does, the Body does?

So, logically, you could probably say that your dead grandma who’s in Heaven is mediating all the graces, too, by virtue of being part of the Body of Christ. Maybe not as fully, but still, mediating all the graces, just as my toenail and my tiniest cell does what I do. And your live grandma should be doing the same thing, and probably does – imperfectly, since she’s in the world, but working towards being perfect as our Father is perfect.

So, basically, folks shouldn’t be as concerned about Mary’s work as mediator and co-operator with grace, as they are with their own work at that job. Mary isn’t being given too much credit; we’re not holding ourselves accountable enough.

That’s the real dishonor to God – that his adopted kids are such a bunch of slackers.

 

[newbie1234]

Amen, and God be praised. You’re preaching sound Catholic Doctrine there, my friend!

God helped find the car keys., sell the house, deliver up the addiction.

But, are you suggesting God heard my prayers of idolatry and answered them?!?!?! . That’s strange.

No, we are saying that God heard our prayers, combined with the intercessory prayers of various saints in heaven, who are part of the Body of Christ (the prayers of a righteous man are powerful indeed…) and helped out.

And I repeat, judging my actions sounds like your trying to take away from His glory.

Peace!

If you get no conviction over shrines, statues and praying to Mary and saints then go right ahead.
But on the other hand, if you feel even slightly that it may be idolatry, then test all things. 1Thess5:21

 

[Tomster]

I had heard of Mary on occasion being refered to as Medtrix(Sp?). I this a Doctrine or something anti-catholics made up? What does it mean and if it is something we beleive how did we get it (I heard of some other titles but, I will hold off and ask one at a time)? Thanks and God bless.

A mediator is one who places himself between two persons in order to unite them, either because there is a reconciliation to be achieved or a favor to be obtained. To fulfill his role, the mediator must be acceptable to both parties that are to be united; the closer he is to them, the easier it will be for him to mediate.

In the supernatural order, the two persons to be brought together are God and man who have become separated by sin.

Jesus as man is the perfect mediator between God and man, being hypostatically united to God and constituted by Him the spiritual Head of the human race.

Jesus alone is a perfect mediator because He alone was able to merit in all justice our reconciliation with God and the graces which the appeased God was going to give us. There is only one God, proclaims St. Paul, and only one Mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus become man, who gave Himself as a ransom for all. No other foundation can be laid than the one which has been given, Jesus Christ.

This foundation established, the faithful attribute a certain function of mediation to Mary, at the side of Jesus. Mother of God and Mother of men, it seems clear that she too is to serve as a bond between Him and them. But her mediation, far from diminishing that of Christ, results from it and seems to complete it: it is carried out under Christ and in union with Christ from whom it receives all its efficacy.

The office of our great Mediator is twofold: first of all, to merit the grace of reconciliation for all mankind; and then, to apply this grace to each of the individuals composing the human race - in other words, to give us the grace of reconciliation, first by right and then in fact. The first act Jesus accomplishes by the Redemption, the second by the distribution of graces. Both are acts of mediation because in the one as in the other Christ places Himself between God and man to serve as a bond between them.

Now, Christian thought associates Mary with her Son in both these actions. Mary’s mediation, like that of Jesus, will be twofold through her participation in the mystery of the Redemption and in the distribution of grace. It would be wrong, therefore, to limit it, as some have done, to an earthly co-operation in the mission of Jesus, or, as others prefer, to her heavenly mission of Distributrix of grace.

 

[newbie1234]

A mediator is one who places himself between two persons in order to unite them, either because there is a reconciliation to be achieved or a favor to be obtained. To fulfill his role, the mediator must be acceptable to both parties that are to be united; the closer he is to them, the easier it will be for him to mediate.

In the supernatural order, the two persons to be brought together are God and man who have become separated by sin.

Jesus as man is the perfect mediator between God and man, being hypostatically united to God and constituted by Him the spiritual Head of the human race.

Jesus alone is a perfect mediator because He alone was able to merit in all justice our reconciliation with God and the graces which the appeased God was going to give us. There is only one God, proclaims St. Paul, and only one Mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus become man, who gave Himself as a ransom for all. No other foundation can be laid than the one which has been given, Jesus Christ.

This foundation established, the faithful attribute a certain function of mediation to Mary, at the side of Jesus. Mother of God and Mother of men, it seems clear that she too is to serve as a bond between Him and them. But her mediation, far from diminishing that of Christ, results from it and seems to complete it: it is carried out under Christ and in union with Christ from whom it receives all its efficacy.

The office of our great Mediator is twofold: first of all, to merit the grace of reconciliation for all mankind; and then, to apply this grace to each of the individuals composing the human race - in other words, to give us the grace of reconciliation, first by right and then in fact. The first act Jesus accomplishes by the Redemption, the second by the distribution of graces. Both are acts of mediation because in the one as in the other Christ places Himself between God and man to serve as a bond between them.

Now, Christian thought associates Mary with her Son in both these actions. Mary’s mediation, like that of Jesus, will be twofold through her participation in the mystery of the Redemption and in the distribution of grace. It would be wrong, therefore, to limit it, as some have done, to an earthly co-operation in the mission of Jesus, or, as others prefer, to her heavenly mission of Distributrix of grace.

Jesus alone is the perfect mediator.
You said it yourself.
Where does Mary come in?
Where in scripture does Mary get this power of mediator or redeemer?
This is the point.
Please don’t say because of the wedding at Cana we see that the Lord will grant her what she asks.
Nowhere in the bible does it say that in heaven Mary can hear or intercede or mediate or redeem or heal or make miracles.

 

[water]

Please don’t say because of the wedding at Cana we see that the Lord will grant her what she asks…

It is because you don’t believe it, it doesn’t mean you want us to not believe it!

Yes! It is her intercession at the wedding at Cana. I said it.

You don’t believe it! It is up to you.

 

[NotWorthy]

Jesus alone is the perfect mediator.
You said it yourself.
Where does Mary come in?
Where in scripture does Mary get this power of mediator or redeemer?
This is the point.
Please don’t say because of the wedding at Cana we see that the Lord will grant her what she asks.
Nowhere in the bible does it say that in heaven Mary can hear or intercede or mediate or redeem or heal or make miracles.

OK, without going into the story of Cana, we see the Gebira interceding on people’s behalf to the King of Israel.

Hmmmm, let’s see, who’s the King of the New Israel? Jesus.

Who’s the Queen mother in the New Israel? Mary.

What’s the Queen mother’s role? Intercession, among others.

You see, Newbie, it’s very biblical!

Note: Even in Jeremiah, God acknowledges that the Queen Mother has a crown and authority in ancient Israel.

 

[Tomster]

Jesus alone is the perfect mediator.
You said it yourself.
Where does Mary come in?
Where in scripture does Mary get this power of mediator or redeemer?
This is the point.
Please don’t say because of the wedding at Cana we see that the Lord will grant her what she asks.
Nowhere in the bible does it say that in heaven Mary can hear or intercede or mediate or redeem or heal or make miracles.

Mary’s co-operation in the Redemption has not been defined by the Church and it is still the subject of discussion among theologians, not, in general, as to the fact itself, but rather as to its exact extent. Before giving its precise meaning, it will be necessary to consult the thought of Tradition concerning it. We can immediately, at least tentatively, several statements. The universal sentiment of the Church attributes to Mary alongside the Redeemer a part in the work of our salvation. This part cannot be limited to the physical fact of having given the Son of God a human nature by means of which He was able to redeem us; rather it implies a certain union of wills, of sufferings, and of self-oblation. God accepted that co-operation in the work of His Son and gave it a real redemptive value, so that we can say we have been saved first and principally by Christ and secondarily by the action of Mary in subordination to the action of Christ.

In Sacred Scripture St. Luke tells how Gabriel, the envoy sent by God, announced to the Blessed Virgin that she was to be the Mother of the Messiaswhose name would be Jesus, that is, Savior. Undoubtably she knew by divine inspiration, at least to the same extent as Joseph and Zachary, that He would be so named because He would deliver His people from their sins. (Matthew 1:21 and Luke 1:77) In answering she shows to what she is engaging herself. She gives her consent to this motherhood and to all that her Son’s mission will include.

Forty days after the birth of Jesus (the Feast the Church celebrates today by the way), Mary and Joseph took the Infant to the Temple to present Him to the Lord. There the Virgin learned from Simeon both that the Child would be a source of contradiction and that a sword of sorrow would pierce her own heart. (Luke 2:34-35) St. John in his turn shows us Mary on Calvary close to her Son, who, nailed to the cross, consummates His sacrifice. (John 19:25-27) We also know from the Gospel that Christ began His redemptive mission by using His Mother as instrument. For it was at Mary’s voice that the Precursor leaped in Elizabeth’s womb and was filled with the Holy Spirit. (Luke 1:40- 44) And it was once more in Mary’s presence that the little Messias welcomed by the Jews in the person of the shepherds and pagans represented by the Magi. (Luke 2:16 and Matthew 2:12)

Thus it was quite natural, even for the first Christians, to unite in some manner the thought of Mary with the thought of Christ, the Redeemer.

 

[Tomster]

newbie 1234,

In his description of God’s plan for our ransom, St. Paul had explained how the disobedience of the first Adam had wrought our condemnation and how the obedience of the New Adam saved all of us. (Romans 5:12-21) Yet alongside the first Adam there was Eve who had been the instigator of her husband’s fall. Should there not be, then, alongside the new Adam, a new Eve occupying a similar role in our salvation?

Actually Christian thought drew that conclusion very early, becoming aware of Mary’s role in the Redemption and affirming it with a clearness hardly to be expected at such an early period. St. Justin, in the middle of the second century, places opposite the incredulous and unsubmissive Eve who brought forth disobedience and death, the believing and obedient Mary, Mother of Him who delivers from death and sin. But it is especially St. Irenaeus who, toward the end of the same century, analyzes Mary’s part in our salvation and expresses it with a force which has scarcely ever been surpassed. He take pleasure in emphasizing the parallelism between Adam and Jesus and in showing how such a parallel requires the Blessed Virgin Mary as the reparatrix and defender of Eve. “Just as Eve,” he says, “was by her disobedience a cause of death for herself and for the whole human race, so Mary was by her obedience a cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race . . . What the Virgin Eve had done by her unbelief, the Virgin Mary undid by her faith . . . As the human race was condemned to death by a virgin, so it was by a Virgin that it was saved.”

This parallel between Eve and Mary found its way into the writings of the outstanding Fathers. “Death through Eve, life through Mary,” wrote St. Jerome. St. Augustine described it: “Through a woman was man empoisoned; through a woman was salvation offered to him.” The antithesis of Eve and Mary became popular. A mention of it occured in the play on words of a well known hymn, the Ave Maris Stella, written probably during the time of Charlemagne, in which Mary changes the name Eva into Ave:

Taking that sweet ave
Which from Gabriel came,
Peace confirm within us
Changing Eva’s name.

 

[believers]

OK, without going into the story of Cana, we see the Gebira interceding on people’s behalf to the King of Israel.

Hmmmm, let’s see, who’s the King of the New Israel? Jesus.

Who’s the Queen mother in the New Israel? Mary.

What’s the Queen mother’s role? Intercession, among others.

You see, Newbie, it’s very biblical!

Note: Even in Jeremiah, God acknowledges that the Queen Mother has a crown and authority in ancient Israel.

Jer 44:18
But since we left off** to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her**, we have wanted all [things], and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

Jer 44:19
And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

Jer 44:20
Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him [that] answer, saying,

Jer 44:21
The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the LORD remember them, and came it [not] into his mind?

Jer 44:22
So that the LORD could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, [and] because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.

Jer 44:23
Because ye have burned incense, AND because ye have sinned against the LORD, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Jer 44:18
But since we left off** to burn incense to the queen of heaven**, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all [things], and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

Jer 44:19
And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

Jer 44:20
Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him [that] answer, saying,

Jer 44:21
The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the LORD remember them, and came it [not] into his mind?

Jer 44:22
So that the LORD could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, [and] because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day.

Jer 44:23
Because ye have burned incense, AND because ye have sinned against the LORD, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies; therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.

Nope,. that ain’t our Mary. Protestants always use Jer 44 to claim the Catholic Mary is the Queen of Heaven in Jer.

Catholic Mary is the

Rev 12:1-5

A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems. Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod (this child is Jesus) . Her child was caught up to God and his throne (Brief description of Jesus Ascension into Heaven afte 40 days from his resurrection, and is seated at the Right Hand of the Father (his throne)).

Yes, I am back to defend the Catholic Faith against Non-Catholics who have misguided ideas of what our beliefs are.

 

[newbie1234]

newbie 1234,

In his description of God’s plan for our ransom, St. Paul had explained how the disobedience of the first Adam had wrought our condemnation and how the obedience of the New Adam saved all of us. (Romans 5:12-21) Yet alongside the first Adam there was Eve who had been the instigator of her husband’s fall. Should there not be, then, alongside the new Adam, a new Eve occupying a similar role in our salvation?

Actually Christian thought drew that conclusion very early, becoming aware of Mary’s role in the Redemption and affirming it with a clearness hardly to be expected at such an early period. St. Justin, in the middle of the second century, places opposite the incredulous and unsubmissive Eve who brought forth disobedience and death, the believing and obedient Mary, Mother of Him who delivers from death and sin. But it is especially St. Irenaeus who, toward the end of the same century, analyzes Mary’s part in our salvation and expresses it with a force which has scarcely ever been surpassed. He take pleasure in emphasizing the parallelism between Adam and Jesus and in showing how such a parallel requires the Blessed Virgin Mary as the reparatrix and defender of Eve. “Just as Eve,” he says, “was by her disobedience a cause of death for herself and for the whole human race, so Mary was by her obedience a cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race . . . What the Virgin Eve had done by her unbelief, the Virgin Mary undid by her faith . . . As the human race was condemned to death by a virgin, so it was by a Virgin that it was saved.”

This parallel between Eve and Mary found its way into the writings of the outstanding Fathers. “Death through Eve, life through Mary,” wrote St. Jerome. St. Augustine described it: “Through a woman was man empoisoned; through a woman was salvation offered to him.” The antithesis of Eve and Mary became popular. A mention of it occured in the play on words of a well known hymn, the Ave Maris Stella, written probably during the time of Charlemagne, in which Mary changes the name Eva into Ave:

Taking that sweet ave
Which from Gabriel came,
Peace confirm within us
Changing Eva’s name.

It is nice that the Early Saints compared Mary to Eve.
But look where it has brought us.
now there are festivals where twenty men carry a staute of Mary through the streets and people stick dollars on it.
This Mary worship has gone too far.
First off It doesn’t say in the bible that Mary should be compared with Eve. However the bible does make the comparison between Jesus and Adam.
Why wouldn’t Paul write about it if it was in God’s plan to make the comparison between Mary and Eve

 

[believers]

Nope,. that ain’t our Mary. Protestants always use Jer 44 to claim the Catholic Mary is the Queen of Heaven in Jer.

Catholic Mary is the

Rev 12:1-5

A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems. Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod (this child is Jesus) . Her child was caught up to God and his throne (Brief description of Jesus Ascension into Heaven afte 40 days from his resurrection, and is seated at the Right Hand of the Father (his throne)).

Yes, I am back to defend the Catholic Faith against Non-Catholics who have misguided ideas of what our beliefs are.

Why did you leave out Rev 12:6? The woman was taken into the wilderness for 1260 days.

Rev 12:6
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

 

[newbie1234]

Nope,. that ain’t our Mary. Protestants always use Jer 44 to claim the Catholic Mary is the Queen of Heaven in Jer.

Catholic Mary is the

Rev 12:1-5

A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems. Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod (this child is Jesus) . Her child was caught up to God and his throne (Brief description of Jesus Ascension into Heaven afte 40 days from his resurrection, and is seated at the Right Hand of the Father (his throne)).

Yes, I am back to defend the Catholic Faith against Non-Catholics who have misguided ideas of what our beliefs are.

Hey Manny,
Now you know that Rev 12 is Not refering to Mary. But it is refering to The Nation of Israel.

 

[Tomster]

Jesus alone is the perfect mediator.
You said it yourself.
Where does Mary come in?
Where in scripture does Mary get this power of mediator or redeemer?
This is the point.
Please don’t say because of the wedding at Cana we see that the Lord will grant her what she asks.
Nowhere in the bible does it say that in heaven Mary can hear or intercede or mediate or redeem or heal or make miracles.

If we will absorb this scriptural and patristic teaching we can hardly fail to realise in some small measure the wonder of our Lady’s office and function as the Mother of the Savior of mankind, and of our Lady’s share in the reparation of the evil work of our first parents. One is our Savior. He alone redeemed us, yet He wished to associate His Mother with the work of Redemption. Mary is the cause of our salvation, even as Eve was the cause of our ruin. This is the teaching of all antiquity. To quote St. Ephrem, “Those two innocent, those two simple ones, had been equal to the other; but afterwards, one became the cause of our death, the other of our life.”

Such thoughts as these should be of much service to us when we turn our minds to the consideration of the Blessed Virgin’s intercession with God on our behalf. We can all co-operate with our Most Holy Redeemer, yet Mary’s co-operation stands alone; similarly, we can all pray one for another through Christ our Lord, yet Mary’s mediation and the efficacy of Mary’s prayers is something by itself, unlike that of any other creature. In both cases the fundamental reason is the same - of all creatures she alone is not only the servant, but also the Mother of God. All our Lady’s privileges rest ultimately on this great fact. If we consider the Catholic doctrine, we will find that it can be set out in a few simple propositions:

1.All supernatural graces, like all gifts to man in the natural order, comes from God alone as their fountainhead.

2.All supernatural graces are conferred through Jesus Christ. We pray “through our Lord Jesus Christ” and through Him only. He is the only Mediator of Justice between God and man; for He alone is both God and man. Through Him alone the wall of participation created by sin between the heavenly Father and his earthly children was broken down. He is the only Savior of mankind. Yet . . .

3.All the members of His Mystical Body can mediate with the Mediator, and through the Mediator can mediate with the Father; this is called intercessory prayer. To this mediation St. Paul constantly exhorts those to whom he addresses his letters; and to this mediation St. James attachesthe greatest importance, urging Christians to “pray for one another that you may be saved.” (James 5:16)

4.This mediation of Christians, one for another, is not to terminate with our earthly life, but is to continue after death. We are taught to believe in the Communion of Saints in heaven as on earth. The Saints of the Old Testament, Moses, David, Elias; the Saints of the New Testament, Mary the Mother of our Lord, St. Mary Magdalen the Penitent, the disciple whom Jesus loves with a special love, the disciple whom Jesus gave the keys, the great Apostle of the Gentiles, still intercede for us who are left struggling in via (in the “estate of the way”), not yet, as they, in patria - in our true country which is above.

5.Among the prayers of of all the Saints our Lady’s intercession has a special place apart, as the direct consequence of her special relation to the Lord of all, who is also her Son, to whom she was so closely joined in His earthly life and work, especially at Nazereth, at Bethlehem, and on the hill of Calvary.

continued

 

[Tomster]

newbie 1234,

But, further than this, it is commonly believed among the faithful that all graces obtained for us by the Death and Passion of our Most Holy Redeemer are bestowed after the prayer of Mary. This pious opinion has been taught expressly by St. Bernard, St. Robert Bellermine, St. Bernardine of Sienna, St. Alphonsus Ligouri and other Saints; in our own days it has received approval in the Encyclicals of one Pope after another.

It is, then, believed that our Lady prays not only for some or for many of the graces we receive, but for all. Apart from the weight of authority which encourages us to believe that this is the case, it would seem to follow from our Lady’s co-operation in the acquisition of grace, since it is difficult to separate the distribution of graces from their acquisition. Mary certainly co-operated by her consent to the Will of God in the divine action which ACQUIRED ALL GRACES, for all graces have been acquired solely by the Incarnation and Passion of her Son, in which, she bore her special part, even as Eve had shared in Adam’s sin. Can we then be surprised at the belief of so many great Saints, as well as of the faithful generally, that she also bears her special part, by her prevailing prayer, in the distribution of all the graces obtained by her Son?

“The faith and the piety of the Christian people has been the best and most powerful auxiliary of speculative logic with regard to the dogma of the Immaculate Conception, as it has been and alwys will be in regard to all the dogmas that do not concern the intelligence exclusively, but also the heart of man.” - Fr. Marin Sola O.P.

Our hearts tell us that we owe all to Mary who gave us Jesus Christ, nor do our hearts deceive us.

 

[newbie1234]

newbie 1234,

But, further than this, it is commonly believed among the faithful that all graces obtained for us by the Death and Passion of our Most Holy Redeemer are bestowed after the prayer of Mary. This pious opinion has been taught expressly by St. Bernard, St. Robert Bellermine, St. Bernardine of Sienna, St. Alphonsus Ligouri and other Saints; in our own days it has received approval in the Encyclicals of one Pope after another.

It is, then, believed that our Lady prays not only for some or for many of the graces we receive, but for all. Apart from the weight of authority which encourages us to believe that this is the case, it would seem to follow from our Lady’s co-operation in the acquisition of grace, since it is difficult to separate the distribution of graces from their acquisition. Mary certainly co-operated by her consent to the Will of God in the divine action which ACQUIRED ALL GRACES, for all graces have been acquired solely by the Incarnation and Passion of her Son, in which, she bore her special part, even as Eve had shared in Adam’s sin. Can we then be surprised at the belief of so many great Saints, as well as of the faithful generally, that she also bears her special part, by her prevailing prayer, in the distribution of all the graces obtained by her Son?

“The faith and the piety of the Christian people has been the best and most powerful auxiliary of speculative logic with regard to the dogma of the Immaculate Conception, as it has been and alwys will be in regard to all the dogmas that do not concern the intelligence exclusively, but also the heart of man.” - Fr. Marin Sola O.P.

Our hearts tell us that we owe all to Mary who gave us Jesus Christ, nor do our hearts deceive us.

OK
If you get no conviction from the Holy Spirit:
Make the Statues
Pray the Rosary
Bow before the Statues
Make Her Co-redemtrix
Queen of Heaven
Mediatrix
Mediator of all graces
Assign al types of miraculous healing to her(fatima)
And whatever else.
I choose not to Practice these things. Because I can find NO support for them in the Bible.
No need for further debate.
I spoke my truth.

 

[Tomster]

newbie 1234,

12:1 A series of “signs” now commences, 13:3, 15:1; they are not so much glimpses of the unseen world as pictures painted on the sky or “the heaven”. "The woman stands primarilyfor the Jewish Church which merges into the Christian Church and is thus its “Mother”; secondarily, and by a justifiable “accommodation”, she stands for the Blessed Virgin.

12:3 The dragon, Lucifer, the devil, Satan, ver. 9; the diadems indicate his power over the kingdoms of this world with which he tempted Christ.

12:4 Figures in the Apocalypse are generally symbolical; literally, a third part of the Angelic host was seduced by him.

12:5-6 The period between the Nativity and the Ascension; the thought is of the impotence of Satan against Christ and His Church alike. The “wilderness” represents the isolation of the Church in a persecuting world to the end of time. The “Two Witnesses”, 11:2-12, and the Church in the wilderness are but two portraits of the Church ever testifying and ever persecuted.

 

[believers]

newbie 1234,

12:1 A series of “signs” now commences, 13:3, 15:1; they are not so much glimpses of the unseen world as pictures painted on the sky or “the heaven”. "The woman stands primarilyfor the Jewish Church which merges into the Christian Church and is thus its “Mother”; secondarily, and by a justifiable “accommodation”, she stands for the Blessed Virgin.

12:3 The dragon, Lucifer, the devil, Satan, ver. 9; the diadems indicate his power over the kingdoms of this world with which he tempted Christ.

12:4 Figures in the Apocalypse are generally symbolical; literally, a third part of the Angelic host was seduced by him.

12:5-6 The period between the Nativity and the Ascension; the thought is of the impotence of Satan against Christ and His Church alike. The “wilderness” represents the isolation of the Church in a persecuting world to the end of time. The “Two Witnesses”, 11:2-12, and the Church in the wilderness are but two portraits of the Church ever testifying and ever persecuted.

You just reworded Revelations.

Rev 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

 

[Church_Militant]

You just reworded Revelations.

Rev 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

I disagree…he’s done nothing more than I’ve seen you and any number of other n-Cs do with the Bible.

Why is his scholarship less valid than yours?