Mary ever-virgin?

[PJR]

cin.org/users/james/files/key2mary.htm

Give this a try.

Once again, without needing to proof text, you don’t understand the consecrated nature of the betrothal between Mary and Joseph. Because much of these truths have been handed down through Apostolic Tradition and you probably wouldn’t accept that anyway, just ask yourself this: Would Mary after being overshadowed by The Holy Spirit, (GOD) and having conceived in her womb, Jesus (GOD) wouldn’t that espousal have taken a primacy over all other marital relations? She would have been an adulterer.

Joseph agreed to continue with the betrothal because he was given knowledge of how her pregnancy came to be and she needed a visible ‘spouse’ to protect her ritual cleanliness and give Jesus an adoptive father.

If Jesus is our King, Mary is the Queen Mother. The title is proper and fitting.

 

[mikeabele]

cin.org/users/james/files/key2mary.htm

Give this a try.

Once again, without needing to proof text, you don’t understand the consecrated nature of the betrothal between Mary and Joseph. Because much of these truths have been handed down through Apostolic Tradition and you probably wouldn’t accept that anyway, just ask yourself this: Would Mary after being overshadowed by The Holy Spirit, (GOD) and having conceived in her womb, Jesus (GOD) wouldn’t that espousal have taken a primacy over all other marital relations? She would have been an adulterer.

Joseph agreed to continue with the betrothal because he was given knowledge of how her pregnancy came to be and she needed a visible ‘spouse’ to protect her ritual cleanliness and give Jesus an adoptive father.

If Jesus is our King, Mary is the Queen Mother. The title is proper and fitting.

Mary was not wed to the Holy Spirit. The only bride given for Jesus(God) is the church. And in heaven there is neither marriage nor giving in marriage. Joseph and Mary were MARRIED, not only betrothed. Jesus is also King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Revelation says that He has made believers priests and kings unto God. There is no mention in Revelation or any other book of a queen for Christ. Search the Scriptures, if your tradition is true it should agree with them.

God bless

 

[Axion]

mikeabele:

Mary was betrothed to Joseph, not the Holy Spirit. She married Joseph not the Holy Spirit. After giving birth to Christ as a virgin, Joseph knew his wife. This is how the Scripture describes a married couple.

A) You apparently have a source of information that nobody else knows about. For none of this nonsense is in either the scriptures or Tradition.

B) You clearly believe that Joseph was an unbeliever, who disbelieved the angel and who did not believe that the presence of God had been incarnate in Mary’s womb. For no believing jew would ever have dreamed of defiling the physical ark of God.

C) I Mary was married to Joseph as you allege, then this makes Jesus illegitimate. Do you really believe the Son of God would be born illegitimate, when God sets such store on legitimacy?

I think you might not want to quote the queen of heaven as Mary from Scripture, those who look to her are wicked before the Lord:

Why are you bringing all this fundamentalist cult anti-catholic claptrap to this site? You came to this thread pretending to ask a genuine question. However you have revealed yourself not to be genuinely seeking information, but that you have come to cut and paste all the standard bits of anti-catholic polemic on this site.

You have had answers to your questions, with scriptural references and back-up, but you have not addressed these responses, but merely ignored them and gone on to post the same accusations again, along with others.

Yes. Astoreth is condemned as the **false ** Queen of heaven. Just as Baal is condemned, and had the **false ** title King of Kings.

The fact that a title is falsely used does not make that title a wrongful one.

 

[mikeabele]

mikeabele:

Where does Scripture say she(Mary, mother of Jesus) remained a virgin?

These are the “Scripture” answers I received related to my original question:

Fidelis:

If something (like Mary’s virginity) is not pertinent to the situation or context after a certain point, there is no reason to mention it.

RyanL:

Luke 1:46And Mary said, “My soul doth magnify the Lord”

The following is what the Catholic Church has proclaimed:
Roman Catholic Council:

At the Second Council of Constantinople in the year 553, the one holy catholic and apostolic Church put forward the following second anathema:
If anyone will not confess that the Word of God has two nativities, that which is before all ages from the Father, outside time and without a body, and secondly that nativity of these latter days when the Word of God came down from the heavens and was made flesh of holy and glorious Mary, mother of God and ever-virgin, and was born from her: let him be anathema.

I don’t ask this question lightly, I do not believe that Mary remained a virgin, and I do not believe it based on Sacred Scripture. This is an eternal life and death issue according to your faith.

Can you give me some better answers from the Scriptures that state Mary remained a virgin? Something solid enough to put my eternal destiny on the line.

 

[Axion]

mikeabele:

I don’t ask this question lightly, I do not believe that Mary remained a virgin, and I do not believe it based on Sacred Scripture. This is an eternal life and death issue according to your faith.

Can you give me some better answers from the Scriptures that state Mary remained a virgin? Something solid enough to put my eternal destiny on the line.

Try looking at posts 7 and 8.

 

[FuzzyBunny116]

mikeabele:

Can you give me some better answers from the Scriptures that state Mary remained a virgin? Something solid enough to put my eternal destiny on the line.

Errr doesn’t anathema just mean kicked out of the Church, not damned to Hell…

 

[MaggieOH]

Mike,

As a Catholic I know all of the Scriptures and how they relate to both Jesus and Mary. The two go hand in hand, just like Adam and Eve.

You want us to prove that Mary remained a virgin. Well here is a challenge for you, prove to me that Mary had other children. Please show me in the Scripture where Mary is named as the mother of any other children.

This is a very real challenge and I am betting that you cannot come up with the evidence that proves Mary had other children. I will tell you right now that I do not accept as legitimate proof the English translations that use the words brothers and sisters. The correct translation is kinsmen or brethren, not brothers and sisters.

MaggieOH

 

[Church_Militant]

mikeabele:

Mary was not wed to the Holy Spirit. The only bride given for Jesus(God) is the church.

Really, then since the Holy Spirit overshadowed her what does that make it? no one alleges that Mary was Christ’s wife…that’s ludicrous. It also shows that you know diddly squat about who the queens were to all the Davidic kings, of whom Jesus is one because He is the Messiah. Go back in the OT and find out who the queens in Israel were from Solomon on. The title that you are looking for is “giberah”.

And in heaven there is neither marriage nor giving in marriage.

Completely irrelevent statement

Joseph and Mary were MARRIED, not only betrothed.

And…?

Jesus is also King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Oops… there goes your whole argument right down the scriptural drain. If this is true (and it is) then Mary’s position is irrefutably set and you are unBiblical to believe otherwise. Thank you so much for helping to make my case.

Revelation says that He has made believers priests and kings unto God. There is no mention in Revelation or any other book of a queen for Christ. Search the Scriptures, if your tradition is true it should agree with them.

If YOUR “tradition of men” agrees with the Bible then you have just proved my case. Find the giberah and you have the key to the whole thing. There is indeed a queen for Christ, as with every king in David’s line.

Pax tecum,

 

[Church_Militant]

mikeabele:

I don’t ask this question lightly, I do not believe that Mary remained a virgin, and I do not believe it based on Sacred Scripture. This is an eternal life and death issue according to your faith.

Can you give me some better answers from the Scriptures that state Mary remained a virgin? Something solid enough to put my eternal destiny on the line.

MaggieOH:

Mike,

As a Catholic I know all of the Scriptures and how they relate to both Jesus and Mary. The two go hand in hand, just like Adam and Eve.

You want us to prove that Mary remained a virgin. Well here is a challenge for you, prove to me that Mary had other children. Please show me in the Scripture where Mary is named as the mother of any other children.

This is a very real challenge and I am betting that you cannot come up with the evidence that proves Mary had other children. I will tell you right now that I do not accept as legitimate proof the English translations that use the words brothers and sisters. The correct translation is kinsmen or brethren, not brothers and sisters.

MaggieOH

Fresh to you from way down under, let me introduce you to my dear friend Mrs Maggie O’Hearn, who is indeed quite serious about this proof she has asked for…and knowing what she is talking about I suggest that you yield this issue to her now and save some face.
Pax tecum,

Hi Maggie! ALWAYS good to see you here!

 

[Pax]

The following is an excellent link on the perpetual virginity of Mary.

ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/TALMUD.htm

The previous links I posted now have some disjointed areas in the text. This may be do to some lack of web maintenance. I think you can highlight and copy the text into a word file and clean up the spacing etc. before saving. I hope that will help those that wish to refer to them.

Sorry for the difficulties with the prior links. All of them used to be quite readable.

 

[Pax]

Mike,

I find it odd that you would go to the extreme of saying, "Can you give me some better answers from the Scriptures that state Mary remained a virgin? Something solid enough to put my eternal destiny on the line."

Your rhetoric suggests that Catholics risk their eternal destiny by holding to the truths taught concerning the blessed virgin Mary. This is really pretty silly and bigoted. We have already provided you with substantial scriptural evidence and the article (i.e. web link in my prior post) should be enough for you. The Catholic teachings on Mary speak volumes about Jesus. If you deny the Church’s teachings on Mary you then deny things about Jesus.

The scriptural connections that we have shown you are very powerful. The first argument that ever arose concerning the perpetual virginity of Mary was presented by Hellvidius in the late 4th Century and were utterly refuted by St. Jerome who is arguably the greatest scripture scholar of all time. The arguments against Mary’s perpetual virginity never again resurfaced until sometime after the Reformation. If the Church is wrong on this subject then Christianity has always had it wrong. You might want to look into the arguments by Jerome upon which some of the arguments on this thread are based. The early Church fathers are very instructive and they demonstrate how utterly Catholic Christianity has always been.

 

[Zooey]

mikeabele:

Mary was not wed to the Holy Spirit.
God bless

Now that is going too far for me not to answer. Read Luke 1:26-38. In v. 35, the angel says to Mary: “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, & the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” (KJV)

Please do not dare to suggest that there is something immoral about the conception of our Lord & Saviour!! Mary’s Child, Jesus Christ, was fathered by the Holy Spirit; that makes her the bride of the Holy Spirit! Otherwise, you will soon find yourself :tsktsk: impugning the holiness of the Virgin Birth!

 

[RyanL]

mikeabele:

These are the “Scripture” answers I received related to my original question:

             Originally Posted by **RyanL**
               *Luke 1:46And Mary said, "My soul doth magnify the Lord"*

Mike,

Remember, you need to discuss politely. That includes not making blatently spurious charges. Not only did I give you more than this, I parallelled texts from Exodus, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, and Luke. Now I’m going to give quotes from Luke, Dueteronomy, Genesis, Ruth, Isiah, Jerimiah, and Ezekiel, as well as Jewish Midrash and Targum (which are essential for Jews), to show that Mary was the spouse of the Holy Spirit, and that our Savior is not illegitimate (which is exactly what a child born out of wedlock is), contrary to what you may believe.

We also have to take into consideration that when Mary was told by the archangel Gabriel “Behold, you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus” (Lk 1:31), he also added that this was to come about because “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the Holy one to be born shall be called the Son of God” (Lk 1:35). By stating it in those terms the archangel declared to Mary that God would enter into a marital relationship with her, causing her to conceive His Son in her womb, For “to lay one’s power <(reshuth)> over a woman” <(Targum to Dt> 21:4) was a euphemism for “to have a marital relationship with her.” Likewise “to overshadow” (Lk 1:35) by spreading the “wing” or “cloak” over a woman was another euphemism for marital relations. Thus, the rabbis commented <(Midrash Genesis Rabbah> 39.7; 3.9) that Ruth was chaste in her wording when she asked Boaz to have marital relations with her by saying to him “I am Ruth you handmaid, spread therefore your cloak ( literally, “wing”: over your handmaid for you are my next-of-kin” (Ruth 3:9). , another Aramaic-Hebrew word for cloak, is derived from = shadow. Thus, “to spread one’s cloak <(tallith)> over a woman” means to cohabit with her <(Kiddushin> 18b, see also . Did not the Lord say to His bride Israel: “I am married to you” (Jr 3:14) and “your Maker is your husband”? (Is 54-5:5; Jr 31:32)? And what is more intimate than what the Lord said to His bride: “You developed, you grew, you came to full womanhood; your breasts became firm and your hair grew… you were naked… and I saw that you were now old enough for love so I spread my cloak over you… I gave you My oath, I entered into a covenant with you and you became Mine, says the Lord God” (Ezk 16:7, 8).

Don’t say that we “have provided no scriptures” again. That is patently untrue, and we are commanded not to bear false witness (to the jeapardy of your soul). Now BE POLITE, and we can move foreward and away from this ugly business.

RyanL

P.S.,
Pax, thanks for the link! It’s awesome!

 

[RyanL]

A succint re-cap of the parallels from earlier (initially given here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=4325 )

Why did they need the ark in the OT? What happened when the ark was present during battles? Mary is fulfillment of what the OT ark pointed to. It was a prefigurement of our Blessed Mother. As great as a shadow is in the OT, what it points to in fulfillment is even greater. The ark was honored and couldn’t even be touched. The ark swayed battles against evil. How much more the fulfillment of this shadow?

Luke shows very clearly how the ark is a shadow of Mary as its fulfillment.

The ark goes to the hill country.
Mary goes to the hill country.

David asks, “who am I that the ark of the Lord should come to me?”
Elizabeth asks “who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?”

The ark stays in the house for three months.
Mary stays in Elizabeth’s house for three months.

David lept for joy at the presnece of the ark.
John the Baptists leaps for joy at the sound of Mary’s voice.

The ark was housed in a tabernacle overshadowed by the glory cloud.
The angel tells Mary that the power of the Most High will overshadow her.

The ark contained the written Word of God.
Mary contained the Word made flesh.

The ark contained bread from Heaven.
Mary contained true bread from Heaven.

The ark contained the rod of the true priesthood.
Mary contained the true Priest.

Add to that, the ark was built with an emphasis on purity because of what it would hold. What it held - SYMBOLS of Jesus.

Mary held the fulfillment of these symbols - Jesus - so why would there be less emphasis on her purity being that she had the fulfillment of the symbols the ark carried?

Hence, the Immaculate Conception. The Purity of the Ark which contained not a symbol of Jesus but Jesus himself in fulfillment.

Also, the ark could not be touched by man, which points to the perpetual virginity of Mary.

Now, whether or not Mary should be honored, and whether her fulfillment of these shadows is worthy of recognition. If God deemed the ark of the OT worthy of honor and deemed the shadows it represented worthy of recogonition, what kind of reasoning concludes that this should not be the case for the fulfillment and perfection of the ark?

We must also remeber the intercession of the ark was necessary for the battle and victory against evil, AND disaster when the ark wasn’t present. What is the fulfillment of that?

Mary fights evil for us. God put enmity between the serpent and the woman in Genesis and this is exactly what takes place in Revelation 12.

Furthermore, as St. Louis DeMonfort related in “The Secret Of The Rosary”, the demons fear Mary because she defeats them. Unblblical? Hardly. The OT has several shadows that point to this.

The Bible shows instances of a woman destroying evil rulers in the OT:

Judges 4:21: Then Jael Heber’s wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.

So, we indeed have a woman delivering a fatal blow to the head of an evil rulere. Look what happens after that:

Judges 5:24: Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.

The woman who delivers the fatal blow to the evil head is called blessed above women.

More:

Judges 9:53: And a certain woman cast a piece of a millstone upon Abimelech?s head, and all to brake his skull.

Here we have a woman literally crushing the head of evil.

This is an OT foreshadowing - the verse in Genesis begining to be played out - not final because the devil isn’t crushed, but a foreshadowing as prefigures of evil receive fatal blows to the head. This is God’s Word being fulfilled.

If this sounds strange, consider that in Genesis, the enmity is personal between the woman who gives birth to Jesus and the devil. Jesus, her offspring is at war with the devil’s offspring.

THIS TAKES NOTHING FROM JESUS, but just offers consideration of what the verse in Genesis actually says, and how its played out in scripture. Scripture clearly shows women as prefigures delivering fatal blows to the head of prefigured evil, and scripture clearly shows direct enmity between the woman and the devil and the devil at war with her.

If the shadows of Mary were needed, interceded, destroyed evil, and were honored, what does this point to? We NEED Mary.

If they needed the ark, then we need Mary. The Bible shows us this very clearly. Never forget that not only did good things happen when the ark was present, but also disaster when there was no ark present. Don’t leave Mary out of your life.

 

[Pax]

Protestants frequently believe that the honor shown to Mary and the Saints somehow takes away from the worship and glory that is do to God alone. This is not consistent with scripture or our own life experience.

Scripture tells us that all generations will call her[Mary] blessed. Scripture tells us that God exalts those that are faithful. This is clear from the following verses:

1 Sam 2:7
The Lord makes poor and makes rich; he brings low, he also exalts.

1 Sam 2:10
The Lord will judge the ends of the earth; he will give strength to his king, and exalt the power of his anointed.

2 Sam 22:49-51
who brought me out from my enemies; thou didst exalt me above my adversaries, thou didst deliver me from men of violence. “For this I will extol thee, O Lord, among the nations, and sing praises to thy name. Great triumphs he gives to his king, and shows steadfast love to his anointed, to David, and his descendants forever.”

Matt 22:10
whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Luke 1:52 (Mary’s Magnificat)
he has put down the mighty from their thrones, and exalted those of low degree;

Luke 1:48-52
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed;
for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. And his mercy is on those who fear him from generation to generation. He has shown strength with his arm, he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts, he has put down the mighty from their thrones, and exalted those of low degree;

2 Cor 11:7
Did I commit a sin in abasing myself so that you might be exalted, because I preached God’s gospel without cost to you?

James 1:7-10
For that person must not suppose that a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways, will receive anything from the Lord. Let the lowly brother boast in his exaltation, and the rich in his humiliation, because like the flower of the grass he will pass away.

James 4:10
Humble yourselves before the Lord and he will exalt you.

1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that in due time he may exalt you.

In our own life experience we know that when we get married our love for our spouse is not diminished by the love that we have for our children. Loving the mother of Jesus, loving our neighbor, and loving our heroes[saints] in heaven in no way diminishes our love for God. If anything it enhances it and gives us a greater appreciation for the body of Christ and His wondrous deeds.

The complete work of Christ is not diminished in Catholic beliefs, but is instead more greatly appreciated. God offers us a participation in His divine plan. That is why scripture says that we are co-workers with the Lord. This is evidenced by the following:

Rom 16: 99
Greet Urbanus, our co-worker in Christ, and my beloved Stachys.

1 Cor 3:9
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, [ye are] God’s building.

2 Cor 6:1
As we work together with him, we urge you also not to accept the grace of God in vain.

3 Jn 1:8
Therefore we ought to support such people, so that we may become co-workers with the truth.

 

[mikeabele]

To all,

The ark of the convenant is not Mary.

Notice the differences:

1. God dwelled above the ark not within
2. No one died from touching Mary
3. No one camped around Mary
4. The ark was built, Mary was born

I think the problem most get hung up on is the idea that sexual relations inside a marriage would defile the womb that bore Christ. God does not think this way.

Genesis 2:21-25 (DRV)21 Then the Lord God cast a deep sleep upon Adam: and when he was fast asleep, he took one of his ribs, and filled up flesh for it. 22 And the Lord God built the rib which he took from Adam into a woman: and brought her to Adam. 23 And Adam said: This now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man. 24 Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh. 25 And they were both naked: to wit, Adam and his wife: and were not ashamed.

This is what Scripture records happened between Mary and Joseph.

**Matthew 1:18-19(DRV)**18 Now the generation of Christ was in this wise. When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child, of the Holy Ghost. 19 Whereupon Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing publicly to expose her, was minded to put her away privately.

Can only refer to sex because “before they had sex she became pregnant” reinforces the virgin birth. But “before they began living together does not support the virgin birth”. It was not normal to live together or have sex when betrothed, giving powerful evidence that the reference is to sex, not co-habitation. What value is there in mentioning that it was merely before they started living together when the real point is that they were not only living separately, but had not had sex yet!

I will shortly post some verses to PROVE that Mary had children after Jesus.

 

[STIOFAN]

When Jesus went missing at 12 years old, and Joseph and Mary went looking for 3 days.

Why no mention of the other children, or was there a 12 year gap ?

Where were the other children ?

There were no other children.:yawn:

 

[mikeabele]

Matt 13
55 “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? 56 "And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” 57 And they took offense at Him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his home town, and in his *own *household.”

Mark 6
3 “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?” And they took offense at Him. 4 And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his home town and among his own relatives and in his *own *household.”

Mt 12
46 While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. 47 And someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.” 48 But He answered the one who was telling Him and said, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, "Behold, My mother and My brothers! 50 “For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother.”

Mk 3
31And His mother and His brothers *arrived, and standing outside they sent *word *to Him, and called Him. 32 And a multitude was sitting around Him, and they *said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are outside looking for You.” 33 And answering them, He *said, “Who are My mother and My brothers?” 34 And looking about on those who were sitting around Him, He *said, "Behold, My mother and My brothers! 35 “For whoever does the will of God, he is My brother and sister and mother.”

Lk 8
19And His mother and brothers came to Him, and they were unable to get to Him because of the crowd. 20 And it was reported to Him, “Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, wishing to see You.” 21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”

John 2
**12 **After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, **and His brothers, and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days.

John 7
1 And after these things Jesus was walking in Galilee; for He was unwilling to walk in Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill Him. 2 Now the feast of the Jews, the Feast of Booths, was at hand. 3 His brothers therefore said to Him, "Depart from here, and go into Judea, that Your disciples also may behold Your works which You are doing. 4 “For no one does anything in secret, when he himself seeks to be *known *publicly. If You do these things, show Yourself to the world.” 5 For not even His brothers were believing in Him. 6 Jesus therefore *said to them, "My time is not yet at hand, but your time is always opportune. 7 "The world cannot hate you; but it hates Me because I testify of it, that its deeds are evil. 8 “Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come.” 9 And having said these things to them, He stayed in Galilee. **10 **But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as it were, in secret.

Cont…after the Gospels…

 

[mikeabele]

Acts 1:14 And when they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying; that is, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas *the son *of James. 14 These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with *the *women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.

Galatians 1:18Then three years later I went up to Jerusalem to become acquainted with Cephas, and stayed with him fifteen days. 19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.

1 Corinthians 9:4 Do we not have a right to eat and drink? 5 Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?

For all these Scripture verses cannot simply be cousins, or kinfolk because Colossians 4:10 uses a separate Greek word.

• Aristarchus, my fellow prisoner, sends you his greetings; and *also *Barnabas’ cousin Mark (about whom you received instructions: if he comes to you, welcome him);

The bible never uses these two Greek words anepsios or sungenis in reference to Jesus brothers. For Catholic doctrine to be true,

I have a feeling someone will post about aramiac having no distinction between blood brother and near relative, but that arguement does not bear true because the NT was written in mostly Greek, including these verses. You will also note if you read I Corinthians 9 that the apostles and Peter had wives, which the Catholic church chooses not to make priests those who are not celibate. Peter was married, now no one can be. Is this really the apostolic church from the pages of the NT?

I realize this may not change anyone’s mind but this is what the Word of God says. The Word of God is clear, the problem is with us if we disagree.

God bless

 

[mikeabele]

STIOFÁN:

When Jesus went missing at 12 years old, and Joseph and Mary went looking for 3 days.

Why no mention of the other children, or was there a 12 year gap ?

Where were the other children ?

There were no other children.:yawn:

There may well been a 12 year gap, or perhaps the children were with the rest of their family. The Bible only mentions Jesus as a young man once, if there was a 12 year gap it explains more fully why Jesus did not leave His mother with younger children who could not care for her. On the other hand, we are told that Jesus’ brothers did not believe in Him until after His resurrection so Jesus left the care for His mother with a believer whom He loved…John.