Mary in the Bible

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LilyM said:
I guess it depends on your definition of ‘healthy respect’ really, doesn’t it. Which is subjective to a certain extent.
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Well, since you don’t know the hearts of those around you then you really can’t know what kind of respect someone has for Mary. If it falls within what they believe to be the respect deserved of her then it is a healthy respect. YOU might not think so because of the pedistal she is put on in some beliefs but I think the respect I give her is what is warrented.
LilyM said:
However if our aim is to love one another as Jesus has loved us, then it would appear that he did give Mary a high and singular level of honour and consideration, unparalleled for any other human being, and we should do likewise.
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How so? I try to love EVERYONE (yes, even O’sama :eek: *sigh, so hard to do to!) as Jesus has loved us. Why would this put Mary higher. I am not sure of the connection you are trying to make… :confused:
 
Fred_4 said:
Howdy, y’all! (Didn’t always live in Chicago!)

In my 27 years experience in the protestant faith (fundementalist, evangelical: Baptist (Moody Bible pastor), Campus Crusade for Christ, Bible Church (Dallas Theological Seminary pastor), Evangelical Free Church (Trinity pastor), Institute in Basic Youth Conflicts… can’t remember if I got the name of that last exactly correct, it’s been awhile) the only time I ever remember anyone speaking of Mary, the mother of Jesus, was at Christmas. Which I understand… kind of important to the story really.

Ok. Point of this post is that in Luke 1:48 Mary states that “from now on will all ages call me blessed.” The wording is from the New American Bible which is the only one I have just now.

I was just reminiscing that in all my time in the protestant world I don’t believe I ever heard Mary referred to as “blessed.” Now I’m not saying that Mary’s canticle as recorded in the gospel of Luke was prophetic as prophecy is formally understood, but it seems that this statement turned out to be prophetic in that all ages have called her “blessed.” In the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches at least.

Now I understand that protestants may not refer to the mother of Jesus as “The Blessed Virgin Mary,” as they do not believe in her perpetual virginity. But why not “Blessed Mary?”

So how about it, folks? I’d be very interested to hear from any self-defined “Bible-believing Christians” what they think about this, and what their experience has been with Mary in their church. Thanks!
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I heard someone say the Blessed Mother was “Just a Vessel” it is sort of like the part in the Bible where it says Jesus is the Cornerstone rejected by the Jew,now it seems that the Blessed Mother is the Cornerstone rejected by some Protestants.
 
Also, and I hope I can put this in the words that I intend for it to be, Mary is the mother of Jesus’ HUMANESS not His divinity. That is why I don’t consider her the ‘Mother of God’. While Jesus is both fully God and fully human He did exist before Mary was a twinkle in the line of David. So I believe that she is the mother of His human form but nothing more.
 
Techno2000 said:
I heard someone say the Blessed Mother was “Just a Vessel” it is sort of like the part in the Bible where it says Jesus is the Cornerstone rejected by the Jew,now it seems that the Blessed Mother is the Cornerstone rejected by some Protestants.
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Where does it say that Mary is the Cornerstone??? JESUS is the Cornerstone… Not Mary…
 
Cool! Thanks for the feedback! But no one actually calling her “blessed”? Too Catholic a phrasology perhaps? Is that a word? I think I just made that up.
 
Singinbeauty said:
Also, and I hope I can put this in the words that I intend for it to be, Mary is the mother of Jesus’ HUMANESS not His divinity. That is why I don’t consider her the ‘Mother of God’. While Jesus is both fully God and fully human He did exist before Mary was a twinkle in the line of David. So I believe that she is the mother of His human form but nothing more.
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But it doesn’t make sense for Jesus to have merely borrowed ‘human form’ or even ‘human nature’ for a little while - how does that make his death relevant at all for eternal salvation? No more significant in practice than the death of any other human being to people living 2,000 years later.

For him to have in every sense become FULLY human while retaining divinity - that makes him the perfect and necessary bridge between God and man whose death COULD atone for all sins for all time.

And remember that as God Jesus exists changelessly OUTSIDE of time - the concept of time is in itself something created by God. So necessarily he is beyond time and not bound by it, hence his name to Moses was ‘I AM’, not ‘I WAS, AM and WILL BE’.

So for Him there’s no sense of ‘at this point I was man, at this point I wasn’t’ - it’s ALL an eternal “present time” to God. And Jesus too. So Jesus is eternally true man as well as true God. And thus Mary is eternally His mother.
 
Singinbeauty said:
Also, and I hope I can put this in the words that I intend for it to be, Mary is the mother of Jesus’ HUMANESS not His divinity. That is why I don’t consider her the ‘Mother of God’. While Jesus is both fully God and fully human He did exist before Mary was a twinkle in the line of David. So I believe that she is the mother of His human form but nothing more.
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We Catholics Believe Mary is the Closes thing to Divinity you can get.
 
Techno2000 said:
We Catholics Believe Mary is the Closes thing to Divinity you can get.
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Mary was completely human, but she certainly was the human being who was closest, in function and nature, to Jesus who was God and Divinity. Let’s not confuse the poor thing here.
 
Singinbeauty said:
Also, and I hope I can put this in the words that I intend for it to be, Mary is the mother of Jesus’ HUMANESS not His divinity. That is why I don’t consider her the ‘Mother of God’. While Jesus is both fully God and fully human He did exist before Mary was a twinkle in the line of David. So I believe that she is the mother of His human form but nothing more.
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Hmm… yes. The Nestorian heresy. What’s old is new again…
 
LilyM said:
Mary was completely human, but she certainly was the human being who was closest, in function and nature, to Jesus who was God and Divinity. Let’s not confuse the poor thing here.
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Right the Closest Human,Now Jesus and Mary go together hand in hand for all Eternity.🙂
 
Fred_4 said:
Hmm… yes. The Nestorian heresy. What’s old is new again…
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You know… I don’t know anything about this Nestorian Heresy… I guess I should look this up since you mention it…
 
Singinbeauty said:
The CONCEPT of the Trinity is in the Bible but …?
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The Trinity is clear if one reads the entire bible in context with a full understanding of it being a slow revelation.

Mary’s position is much clearer right from the start and up to the end of the bible in fact, than the Trinity is.

😉
 
Hellisreal said:
The Trinity is clear if one reads the entire bible in context with a full understanding of it being a slow revelation.

Mary’s position is much clearer right from the start and up to the end of the bible in fact, than the Trinity is.

😉
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Can’t say I agree. The CORNERSTONE? Jesus is the ONLY cornerstone of Christianity. To put Mary in this position is, well, scary and makes me want to hide from the lightning bolts…
 
Singinbeauty said:
Can’t say I agree. The CORNERSTONE? Jesus is the ONLY cornerstone of Christianity. To put Mary in this position is, well, scary and makes me want to hide from the lightning bolts…
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Hey now, I did not mention cornerstones here. I am sure that you will get an answer on that one, I never even thought of that actually myself.
 
Oh, I’m sorry but I disagree… the idea of the trinity is not at all clear in scripture. And even after being defined dogmatically… it’s still a mystery. Who can comprehend one God in three persons? No, this is not “clear.” I believe it as an article of faith, of course. But to understand it, really, or to think that it’s “clear” in Scriptures? No. Sorry, but I don’t think so.

Anyway, I’ll keep asking… what about Mary? Anyone hear a good sermon about Mary lately? I know that as a previous responder noted most sermons are about Jesus and God, which is cool. As is should be! But I remember a lot of sermons, at least I think I do, that had to deal with the “Apostle Paul”, as he was called… (never “St. Paul, the Apostle” as that would be clearly too liturgical.) So nothing about Mary the blessed?
 
Hellisreal said:
Hey now, I did not mention cornerstones here. I am sure that you will get an answer on that one, I never even thought of that actually myself.
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Your quote that you used of mine was from a post regarding this concept. Sorry, I thought this is what you were talking about! 🙂 I said that the concept of Mary being the Cornerstone wasn’t in the bible and someone came back with ‘neither is the Trinity’. My quote that you used was from my response to that… 😃
 
Fred_4 said:
Oh, I’m sorry but I disagree… the idea of the trinity is not at all clear in scripture. And even after being defined dogmatically… it’s still a mystery. Who can comprehend one God in three persons? No, this is not “clear.” I believe it as an article of faith, of course. But to understand it, really, or to think that it’s “clear” in Scriptures? No. Sorry, but I don’t think so.
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I kind of think of it like this… Those of us who live in the US, make up the US. When someone says ‘The US was hit hard when the twin towers were attacked by terrorists’ the person is referring to the people that live in this country. We as American citizens make up the US but there are millions of us, yet we are ONE country. This is the way I think of God though it is a little more complex than that simple explanation…:cool:
 
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