MARY is She necessary or optional?

[Nimzovik]

If a Atheist was an Atheist due to invincible ignorance and no oppurtunity to hear of Christ, would he stand a chance of achieving heaven due to Mary’s intercession?

 

[bilop]

I challenge anyone to come up with one Canonized Saint that did not have some sort of devotion or reverence for the Virgin Mary.

It is impossible to love and imitate Jesus Christ and not love and imitate His Blessed Mother.

There isn’t a single Saint that arrives in heaven and Jesus says, " welcome,…oh by the way this is my Mom. You never paid attention to her but hey! you made it to sainthood. Way’da go".

Necessary…ya darn skippy.

The Catholic Church and Mary are united in one and the same vocation-Divine Maternity.

The Holy Innocents.

God Bless

 

[mangy_dog]

If a Atheist was an Atheist due to invincible ignorance and no oppurtunity to hear of Christ, would he stand a chance of achieving heaven due to Mary’s intercession?

If “if” and “buts” were candy and nuts-it would be Christmas all year round. Find me this [invincible and invisible atheist] and you will find someone who simply denies the possiblity of God’s existence-even though he or she has been presented with the evidence.

THere is no such thing as an invnicible atheist. Let alone an invisible one.

What’s next?- an invincible agnostic?

 

[De_Montfort]

I seen St. Dominic used, was it not a private revelation and look how many teachings Pope Leo gave on the rosary alone.

Pope John Paul II promoted True Devotion by St. Louis de Montfort and called St. Maximilian Kolbe “an apostle of a new Marian age.”

I will take my advice from the Vicar of Christ. These teachings of these two Saints seem to be down troden on this website which is why I left for months.

Are there other paths to Christ? Yes! What St. Louis de Montfort teaches is a direct path, and immaculate path, a sure means, which is Mary, She is the perfect guide to Christ.

I would think it better to promote devotion to Her, not say it’s an option and it’s okay to do without Her. What’s wrong with saying, “She’s our Mother honor and love Her as Jesus did and does.”

If one doesn’t understand that Christ is the final end of any True Devotion to Mary then they don’t understand St. Louis de Montfort or the meaning of True Devotion. Mary causes intense union with Christ. Christ is our goal.

I would not think it wise to out right reject Mary as if She some how is a rival of Christ or love of Her would some how deprive Christ love.

Is it wise to think of Mary as an option, I believe not, because I believe God himself has made Her necessary. And which two great Saints give witness to, no different then what St. Dominic gave witness to which was the Holy Rosary.

 

[bakaten]

I think it’s just a matter of defining what “necessary” means.

Yes Mary is necessary for our salvation, remember She is the new Eve, just like Jesus is the new Adam. She is as much as an integral part for our salvation.

But again, that doesn’t mean that a devotion for Her is a necessity.

Just like a non Catholic can still have a hope for salvation although they never heard about The Lord, so is those who never have a devotion for Mary, can still hope to be saved through Her intercession.

The fact that She is the mother of all men is an unchangeable fact, doesn’t matter if one admit it or not, She is still one’s mother, and hence still pray for everyone of us.

 

[twf]

I agree with other posters that the Church doesn’t mandate as a matter of obedience that the faithful cultivate a particular devotion to Our Lady, but that doesn’t mean devotion to her in some sense isn’t required. Consider the following:

1. The faithful are obliged to assist at mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation - at every mass this includes invoking the intercession of Mary during the Eucharistic Prayer (we are called to make the prayer of the priest our own prayer - whether we do so explicitly or implicitly by simply being at mass)
2. The faithful are obliged to assist at mass on certain days in honor of Our Lady - such as, in some countries, the feast of the Immaculate Conception - at these masses, the faithful will invoke the intercession of Mary with the priest
3. The faithful are obliged to fulfill all penaces assigned by priests in the confessional…find me a Catholic who has never been assigned a Hail Mary as penance and I’ll find you a pig that flies.

So there is really no way around it…if you follow the precepts of the Church, you must and will invoke Our Lady at some point.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Those aren’t my words. Those are the words of St. Dominic. If St. Dominic’s words need clarification to a supposedly more intelligent time period than his own, then by all means.

The Holy Spirit floods the world with grace through Mary. Mary doesn’t save, she just happens to be the most used tool for the Holy Spirit to impart grace (a raging torrent of grace to the whole world).

I’m putting that out there because today most people do not recognize the difference. Remember that St. Dominic’s time was a different context but culturally and linguistically. He in fact spoke a different language which probably has better precision on the words than English has today.

 

[Domiy]

Once you realize the power and ability of the Blessed Virgin Mary, it becomes a necessity to your salvation. She is the ultimate agent of Christ’s love for us.

Sometimes I think of it as a typical father-mother relationship. One on hand, you have the Father, who is strong, wise and knows what’s best, so he may, out of love and wisdom, allow the child to suffer and experience hardship.

Then on the other hand Mary, the loving mother who although knows it’s best, cant stand to see us in sorrow and pain, and does everything to comfort us and give us grace when we need it.

FYI, the Croatian people believe it was the Blessed Virgin Mary who looked over them during their time of war and escape from Yugoslavian communism. That’s why they make such a big deal out of her dedicated day of the Feast. <3

 

[De_Montfort]

Could you point to the official Catholic teaching that states this is how Christ is formed in us? Not a saint’s writings…as wonderful as that might be…but something official…Catechism? Something??
Thanks

Peace
James

REDEMPTORIS MATER

“The reality of the Incarnation finds a sort of extension in the mystery of the Church-the Body of Christ. And one cannot think of the reality of the Incarnation without referring to Mary, the Mother of the Incarnate Word.”

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031987_redemptoris-mater_en.html

Pope John Paul II touched on the mystery of the Incarnation please refer back to my original post on the Incarnation and Mary being necessary since we all partake in it.

APOSTOLIC LETTER
ROSARIUM VIRGINIS MARIAE

"The Rosary mystically transports us to Mary’s side as she is busy watching over the human growth of Christ in the home of Nazareth. This enables her to train us and to mold us with the same care, **until Christ is “fully formed” in us **(cf. Gal 4:19). This role of Mary, totally grounded in that of Christ and radically subordinated to it, “in no way obscures or diminishes the unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power”.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_20021016_rosarium-virginis-mariae_en.html

From the Pope himself we are taught Mary is involved in forming Christ in us.;;;

 

[Fullness_Found]

I agree with other posters that the Church doesn’t mandate as a matter of obedience that the faithful cultivate a particular devotion to Our Lady, but that doesn’t mean devotion to her in some sense isn’t required. Consider the following:

1. The faithful are obliged to assist at mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation - at every mass this includes invoking the intercession of Mary during the Eucharistic Prayer (we are called to make the prayer of the priest our own prayer - whether we do so explicitly or implicitly by simply being at mass)
2. The faithful are obliged to assist at mass on certain days in honor of Our Lady - such as, in some countries, the feast of the Immaculate Conception - at these masses, the faithful will invoke the intercession of Mary with the priest
3. The faithful are obliged to fulfill all penaces assigned by priests in the confessional…find me a Catholic who has never been assigned a Hail Mary as penance and I’ll find you a pig that flies.

So there is really no way around it…if you follow the precepts of the Church, you must and will invoke Our Lady at some point.

This is a very good point. We all pray to Mary at some point. Some, to their own benefit, do so more than others… But I will still never forget when a Catholic street evangelist came up to me before I was Catholic, handed me a piece of paper about the rosary, and said, “Pray to Mary or you are going to hell.” Talk about confirming all of a protestant’s suspicions about Catholicism! Thank God that I still managed to eventually convert. That method of evangelizing is not in line with the evangelism of Jesus and the Apostles, to say the least!

My point: we have to be tactful in the way we go about demanding a sort of ‘Montfurtian’ consecration to Mary. We have to be consistent with some 1600 prior years of evangelism. For many, it takes time to warm up to the idea of Marian devotion, just like it takes time for an adopted child to fully embrace their new mother.

 

[Semper_Zelare]

Look, I’m right there with De Montfort on this one. And, full disclosure, I did Marian consecration for the first time earlier this year. And it has to be THE MOST powerful devotion I’ve ever done. I learned that it’s recommended you only do this devotion once a year (it takes about a month). But, I can’t wait until I do it next year in 2013, and I might do it annually after that unless something happens to change my mind.

If a Atheist was an Atheist due to invincible ignorance and no oppurtunity to hear of Christ, would he stand a chance of achieving heaven due to Mary’s intercession?

I think this example is representative of a lot of the thread right now. A lot of people on this thread, including this post by Nimzovik don’t seem to understand the Church’s teachings on Mary. And, the response is a fear that there are those (myself, De Montfort, and others) who are deifying Mary.

If y’all knew the Church’s teachings on Mary you wouldn’t be concerned about the deification of Mary. Mary is not divine. No one is saying that. We are saved by grace alone through faith and works.

Now, part of Marian consecration involves forfeiting your own works. If you consecrate yourself to Mary, then you will not be judged by your works. Instead, you trade your works for the grace and intercession of Mary. You become a servant of Jesus through Mary, which is comparatively a much better option than your own works. Its still your faith, but the works should be done by the power of the Holy Spirit’s grace which is imparted to you through Mary.

That is part of Marian consecration. And, I don’t know where you find that in the catechism. But, I do know that Marian consecration is CHOCK FULL of indulgences. There are tons of Papal Encyclicals that encourage Marian consecration, and tons of indulgences which encourage it as well.

Don’t devalue Mary if you don’t know the theology of who Mary is. Mary is our spiritual mother. The quickest, easiest, surest, and most efficacious way to know Jesus is through Mary (That’s my paraphrase of Louis de Montfort from memory).

The quickest, easiest, surest, and most efficacious way to know Jesus is through Mary. I know somebody said that about Marian consecration, but unfortunately I lent my consecration book to one of my friends.

 

[Christine85]

It would be nice if everyone had a great devotion to Mary but some people simply think what’s the use. I suppose they have not experienced how effective our Heavenly Mother works for us
I did the St Louis de Montfort consecration this year for the first time and I have never regretted it!!! Doing this consecration has brought many graces and blessings into my life.
At the end of the day we can’t force anyone to love Mary, people simply need to be prompted by the Holy Spirit to accept her as their Mother.

But it is true I believe that salvation becomes easier with a devotion to Mary

 

[Fullness_Found]

Now, part of Marian consecration involves forfeiting your own works. If you consecrate yourself to Mary, then you will not be judged by your works. Instead, you trade your works for the grace and intercession of Mary. You become a servant of Jesus through Mary, which is comparatively a much better option than your own works. Its still your faith, but the works should be done by the power of the Holy Spirit’s grace which is imparted to you through Mary.

I am very confused by this. Catholic Doctrine states that we will be judged according to our works, as does the Bible and the Church Fathers. Of course, the good works that are demanded of us are able to be done only through the grace of the Holy Spirit (grace which Christ merited for us by his passion and resurrection). How does consecration to Mary change all this, if not simply that you can receive even more graces through an additional devotion to Mary? Certainly it cannot change the fact that we are judged according to works!?!

No private revelations, however saintly the person may be, can contradict the public revelation of the deposit of faith.

Explanation would be greatly appreciated.

 

[JRKH]

REDEMPTORIS MATER

“The reality of the Incarnation finds a sort of extension in the mystery of the Church-the Body of Christ. And one cannot think of the reality of the Incarnation without referring to Mary, the Mother of the Incarnate Word.”

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031987_redemptoris-mater_en.html

Pope John Paul II touched on the mystery of the Incarnation please refer back to my original post on the Incarnation and Mary being necessary since we all partake in it.

APOSTOLIC LETTER
ROSARIUM VIRGINIS MARIAE

"The Rosary mystically transports us to Mary’s side as she is busy watching over the human growth of Christ in the home of Nazareth. This enables her to train us and to mold us with the same care, **until Christ is “fully formed” in us **(cf. Gal 4:19). This role of Mary, totally grounded in that of Christ and radically subordinated to it, “in no way obscures or diminishes the unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power”.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_20021016_rosarium-virginis-mariae_en.html

From the Pope himself we are taught Mary is involved in forming Christ in us.;;;

Thanks my friend…
I’ll have to delve into them a bit later as they are quite long…and my time is quite short right now…

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

This is a very good point. We all pray to Mary at some point. Some, to their own benefit, do so more than others… But I will still never forget when a Catholic street evangelist came up to me before I was Catholic, handed me a piece of paper about the rosary, and said, “Pray to Mary or you are going to hell.” Talk about confirming all of a protestant’s suspicions about Catholicism! Thank God that I still managed to eventually convert. That method of evangelizing is not in line with the evangelism of Jesus and the Apostles, to say the least!

My point: we have to be tactful in the way we go about demanding a sort of ‘Montfurtian’ consecration to Mary. We have to be consistent with some 1600 prior years of evangelism. For many, it takes time to warm up to the idea of Marian devotion, just like it takes time for an adopted child to fully embrace their new mother.

A wonderful witness…Thanks for sharing…

One of the places that I occasionally irritate our good friends here like De_Montfort is when I will be talking with a protestant who is considering converting but is having trouble with “Marion devotion” and how it is so prevalent…to the point of feeling “pushed”. This is usually attached to a more general issue with prayers to Saints and intercessory prayer.
I advise them that many of the specific devotions are personal…not required by the Church. In fact the Church makes no requirement that we pray to any saint for intercession. If a person is more comfortable praying directly to God, there is no problem with this at all.
Of course the purpose in this advice is to allow them to relax a bit. To continue their journey in their own time and along their own “comfort zone”. Over time, there can be little doubt that they will “warm up” (as you say above) to Our Lady and grow in their devotion to her.

But easy does it folks…

Peace
James

 

[fred_conty]

The following is not a reply to anyone but a reply just to the topic.

I believe one of the problems in our understanding is with new catholics who are not accustomed to praying to anyone but Jesus, their saviour, or the Holy Spirit and God the Father. Now we introduce Mary and their world of prayer does not know quite how to incorporate this. This brand new idea to them takes time of adjustment and to be absorbed in their spirituallity. As St. Paul never tires of saying that we need to be patient and kind with one another, especially understanding.

Scott Hahn took considerable time digesting this devotion to Mary. It’s hard for them. They are not being obstinate but simply confused. Before Scott said his first rosary, he prayed something like this, “Father, I am going to say the rosary. I don’t know if it right or wrong, but if it is wrong, please forgive me for I don’t know.” You know who Scott is. If he had this sort of difficulty, then we need to be understanding.

Whether or not they pray to Mary, she is still their Mother and she will still look out for their best interest. She loves them all for she still is their mother whether they know it or not.

I have no proof for this statement, but I feel confident in saying there are so many who are in heaven today because of Mary’s pleading with her Son for them. It is my personal opinion that Jesus wants to give her mother that role of pleading for us, her children, so he can grant graces which would otherwise be contrary to his justice in granting. He wants to give to all of us more and more and more of his love, and he has found another way to do it thru his mother who he cannot refuse. It is his wish that we use Mary in order to give us more.

Montfort is correct in that we would miss so many blessings without our wonderful Mother’s help. And anyone who does not know this is at a disadvantage because they are not conversing with their great mother who responds to their needs. What a marvelous thing for Jesus to do, to give us not only his life, but his mother to love all of us as she loved him.

Just a few ramblings about our mother.

 

[Robert_Sock]

These titles may help answer whether the Virgin Mary is optional or not.

Adam’s Deliverance
Advocate of Eve
Advocate of Sinners
All Chaste
All Fair and Immaculate
All Good
Annunciation by Saint Gabriel
Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin
Aqueduct of Grace
Archetype fo Purity and Innocence
Ark Gilded by the Holy Spirit
Ark of the Covenant
Assumption into Heaven
Assumption of the Blessed Virgin
Basillica of Saint Mary Major
Blessed Among Women
Blessed Virgin Mary
Bridal Chamber of the Lord
Bride of Christ
Bride of Heaven
Bride of the Canticle
Bride of the Father
Bride Unbrided
Cause of Our Joy
Chosen Before the Ages
Comfort of Christians
Comforter of the Afflicted
Conceived Without Original Sin
Consoler of the Afflicated
Court of the Eternal King
Created Temple of the Creator
Crown of Virginity
Daughter of Men
David’s Daughter
Deliverer From All Wrath
Deliverer of Christian Nations
Destroyer of Heresies
Dispenser of Grace
Dwelling Place for God
Dwelling Place Meet for God
Dwelling Place of the Illimitable
Dwelling Place of the Spirit
Earth Unsown
Earth Untouched and Virginal
Eastern Gate
Espousal of the Virgin Mary
Eve’s Tears Redeeming
Ever Green and Fruitful
Ever Virgin
Exalted Above the Angels
Expectation of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows
Feast of the Immaculate Conception
Fleece of Heavenly Rain
Flower of Carmel
Flower of Jesse’s Root
Formed Without Sin
Forthbringer of God
Forthbringer of the Ancient of Days
Forthbringer of the Tree of Life
Fountain of Living Water
Fountain Sealed
Free From Every Stain
Full of Grace
Garden Enclosed
Gate of Heaven
God’s Eden
God’s Olive Tree
God’s Vessel
Handmaid of the Lord
Healing Balm of Integrity
Health of the Sick
Helper of All in Danger
Holy in Soul and Body
Holy Mountain of Our Lady
Holy Protection of the Mother of God
Hope of Christians
House Built by Wisdom
House of Gold
Humility of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Immaculate
Immaculate Conception
Immaculate Heart
Immaculate Heart of Mary
Immaculate Mary
Immaculate Mother
Immaculate Virgin
Incorruptible Wood of the Ark
Inventrix of Grace
Inviolate
Joseph’s Spouse
King’s Mother
Kingly Throne
Lady Most Chaste
Lady Most Venerable
Lady of Good Help
Lady of Grace
Lady of Mercy
Lady of Peace
Lady of Perpetual Help
Lady of Sorrows
Lady of the Rosary
Lady of Victory
Lamp Unquenchable
Life-Giver to Posterity
Light Cloud of Heavenly Rain
Lily Among Thorns
Living Temple of the Diety
Loom of the Incarnation
Madonna del Pilerio
Madonna of Giubino
Madonna of Miracles
Madonna of Saint Luke
Madonna of the Miracles
Marketplace for Salutary Exchange
Mary of the Assumptions
Mary of the Hurons
Mary the Blessed Virgin
Mary, Blessed Virgin
Mary, Help of Christians
Mary, Mediatrix of All Graces
Mary, Mother of God
Mary, Queen of Africa
Mary, Queen of Angels
Mary, Queen of Peace
Mary, Star of the Sea
Mary, Virgin Mother of Grace
Mary’s Immaculate Conception
Mater Dei
Maternity of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Mediatrix
Mediatrix and Conciliatrix
Mediatrix of All Graces
Mediatrix of Salvation
Mediatrix of the Mediator
Minister of Life
Mirror of Justice
More Beautiful Than Beauty
More Glorious Than Paradise
More Gracious Than Grace
More Holy Than the Cherubim, the Seraphim, and the Entire Angelic Hosts
Morning Star
Most Holy Name of Mary
Most Venerable
Mother and Virgin
Mother Inviolate
Mother Most Admirable
Mother Most Amiable
Mother Most Chaste
Mother Most Pure
Mother of Christ’s Members
Mother of Christians
Mother of Divine Grace
Mother of God
Mother of Good Counsel
Mother of Jesus Christ
Mother of Men
Mother of Our Creator
Mother of Our Head
Mother of Our Savior
Mother of the Church
Mother of the Mystical Body
Mother of Wisdom
Mother Undefiled
My Body’s Healing
My Soul’s Saving
Mystical Rose
Nature’s Re-Creation
Nature’s Restoration
Neck of the Mystical Body
Never Fading Wood
New Eve
Notre Dame of Paris
Notre Dame of Chartres
Notre Dame of Easton
Nourisher of God and Man
Olive Tree of the Father’s Compassion
Only Bridge of God to Men
Our Immaculate Queen
cont.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Our Lady in America
Our Lady Mediatrix of All Grace
Our Lady of Africa
Our Lady of Altagracia
Our Lady of Altotting
Our Lady of Arabia
Our Lady of Baeuraing
Our Lady of Bandel
Our Lady of Bandra
Our Lady of Banneux
Our Lady of Begoña
Our Lady of Bethlehem
Our Lady of Calvary
Our Lady of Charity
Our Lady of Consolation
Our Lady of Copacabana
Our Lady of Coromoto
Our Lady of Covadonga
Our Lady of Czestochowa
Our Lady of Europe
Our Lady of Fatima
Our Lady of Giubino
Our Lady of Good Counsel
Our Lady of Good Help
Our Lady of Grace
Our Lady of Guadalupe
Our Lady of Guadalupe of Estramadura
Our Lady of High Grace
Our Lady of Hungary
Our Lady of Japan
Our Lady of Kevelaer
Our Lady of Knock
Our Lady of La Leche
Our Lady of La Vang
Our Lady of Las Vegas
Our Lady of LaSallette
Our Lady of Lebanon
Our Lady of Liesse
Our Lady of Limerick
Our Lady of Loreto
Our Lady of Lourdes
Our Lady of Lujan
Our Lady of Madhu
Our Lady of Mariazell
Our Lady of Mercy
Our Lady of Meritxell
Our Lady of Miracles
Our Lady of Montserrat
Our Lady of Mount Carmel
Our Lady of Mount Carmel at Aylesford
Our Lady of Nazareth
Our Lady of Peace
Our Lady of Perpetual Help
Our Lady of Pilar
Our Lady of Pompeii
Our Lady of Pontmain
Our Lady of Prompt Succor
Our Lady of Providence
Our Lady of Ransom
Our Lady of Safe Travel
Our Lady of Saint Luke
Our Lady of Salambao
Our Lady of Shongweni
Our Lady of Sorrows
Our Lady of Tears
Our Lady of the Americas
Our Lady of the Angels
Our Lady of the Assumption
Our Lady of the Cape
Our Lady of the Conquest
Our Lady of the Flight into Egypt
Our Lady of the Golden Heart
Our Lady of the Gulf
Our Lady of the Hermits
Our Lady of the Highways
Our Lady of the Holy Letter
Our Lady of the Holy Rosary
Our Lady of the Holy Souls
Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception
Our Lady of the Incarnation
Our Lady of the Kodiak and the Islands
Our Lady of the Milk and Happy Delivery
Our Lady of the Miracles
Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal
Our Lady of the Most Blessed Sacrament
Our Lady of the Most Holy Rosary
Our Lady of the Pillar of Saragossa
Our Lady of the Pines
Our Lady of the Prairie
Our Lady of the Presentation
Our Lady of the Rosary
Our Lady of the Snow
Our Lady of the Snows
Our Lady of the Thorns
Our Lady of the Turumba
Our Lady of the Valley
Our Lady of the Wayside
Our Lady of the Woods
Our Lady of Victories
Our Lady of Victory
Our Lady of Walsingham
Our Lady of Washington
Our Lady Who Appeared
Our Lady, Cause of Our Joy
Our Lady, Gate of Heaven
Our Lady, Help of Christians
Our Lady, Mother of the Church
Our Lady, Queen of All Saints
Our Lady, Queen of the Apostles
Our Lady, Refuge of Sinners
Our Own Sweet Mother
Paradise Fenced Against the Serpent
Paradise of Innocence and Immortality
Paradise of the Second Adam
Paradise Planted by God
Patronage of Our Lady
Patroness and Protectoress
Perfume of Faith
Presentation of Mary at the Temple
Preserved From All Sin
Protectress From All Hurt
Purification of Mary
Purity of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Queen of All Saints
Queen of Angels
Queen of Creation
Queen of Heaven
Queen of Heaven and Earth
Queen of Martyrs
Queen of Nigeria
Queen of Peace
Queen Unconquered
Queenship of Mary
Refuge in Time of Danger
Refuge of Sinners
Reparatrix
Reparatrix of Her Parents
Reparatrix of the Lord World
Rich in Mercy
Rose Ever Blooming
Salve Regina
Sanctuary of the Holy Spirit
Scepter of Orthodoxy
Seat of Wisdom
Second Eve
Singular Vessel of Devotion
Sister and Mother
Source of Virginity
Spiritual Vessel
Spotless Dove of Beauty
Star of the Sea
Star That Bore the Sea
Suppliant for Sinners
Surpassing Eden’s Gardens
Surpassing the Heavens
Surpassing the Seraphim
Sweet Flowering and Gracious Mercy
Tabernacle of God
Tabernacle of the Word
Temple Divine
Temple Indestructible
Temple of the Lord’s Body
Theotokos
Throne of the King
Tower of David
Tower of Ivory
Tower Unassailable
Treasure House of Life
Treasure of Immortality
Treasure of the World Undefiled
Undefiled Treasure of Virginity
Undug Well of Remission’s Waters
Unlearned in the Ways of Eve
Unplowed Field of Heaven’s Bread
Unwatered Vineyard of Immortality’s Wine
Vessel of Honor
Victor Over the Serpent
Virgin by the Sea
Virgin Inviolate
Virgin Most Faithful
Virgin Most Merciful
Virgin Most Powerful
Virgin Most Prudent
Virgin Most Pure
Virgin Mother
Virgin of Charity
Virgin of Copacabana
Virgin of Sheshan
Virgin of Virgins
Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Wedded to God
Woman Clothed With the Sun
Workshop of the Incarnation

 

[Fullness_Found]

A. I am still very confused by the statement: ‘When you consecrate yourself to Mary, you are no longer judged according to your works, but hers.’ I would appreciate some info about this if anyone can explain it to me, since it seems to contradict lots of Catholic doctrine.

B. Also, in DeMontfort’s writings about Mary, he says that he will share a ‘secret’ that he learned from the holy Spirit, and not from books. That seems to put his work in the category of private revelation. I am confused because I thought that private revelation functions to help us live out the deposit of faith handed to the apostles. How can it reveal new ‘secrets’ about what we have to do to be saved? (since that is certainly what many are implying).

P.S.- I am not trying to knock devotion to Mary (I pray to her daily). I am just really confused by some of these posts!

 

[Christine85]

The idea that Marys works become your works is from St. Louis de Montforts “True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin.” What he teaches was taught for some time before he wrote the book. Though I wouldn’t call it the Doctrine of the Church.