Mary on the cross?!?

[Church_Militant]

==================================================Hi C.M. Just another great day to be alive,praise God. What kind of tea are you serving today? I was thinking about that image with Mary standing on a globe in front of the cross. I must be suffering after effects of all the wine I used to drink. I think ill stick with tea.Probably will clean up my sinnus,s and my vision. God Bless

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[tuopaolo]

Great post Lisa!

St Gemma felt and believed similarly

 

[SPOKENWORD]

rayne89:

I know I’ll probably get flamed for this but an image of Mary on the cross makes me uncomfortable. Images of Jesus on the Cross is a huge symbol of our faith. Images of Mary at Fatima, Mary at Lourdes, Mary on the world, Mary at the foot of the cross, anywhere else to me are wonderful. I feel Jesus’ image should be the only one on the cross. It’s just too big of a symbolism for so many.

HI Ray,I feel the same way as you. God Bless

 

[Vandaler]

From the Cincinnati Enquirer article, I have found event organizer.
Fr. Joseph A. Bruemmer,
President & Spiritual Director

Our Lady of the Holy Spirit Center
5440 Moeller Avenue
Norwood, Ohio 45212
Email: info@olhsc.org

Reference :
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Also, I have some level expertise in computer image manipulation. This picture is authentic in my opinion. Not a fake like someone has suggested.

I don’t personnally feel comfertable contacting them but perhaps someone will to put the matter to rest.

 

[drforjc]

In any event, whoever is on the crucifix, there would be an orthodox explanation for it.
As always, the accusations by non-Catholics that we are replacing Jesus with Mary are false.
Believe me, I worried about that when I was contemplating converting to Catholicism, but every single time there was an orthodox explanation.
I’d have a lot more respect for someone who had issues with the Church’s official teaching on Mary as promulgated than someone who takes a photo or a sentence out of context and declares,“see, you Catholics worship Mary.”

 

[hlgomez]

no one should be portrayed on the the cross of Christ except Christ alone. I,ve seen different images of Mary on the cross and it makes my spirit uncomfortable for I know its not the truth.I dont like false impressions. God Bless

Spoken word,

Will you try to look at the picture again? Is the one shown in the picture crucified and bleeding to death?

You misinterpreted the picture BIG TIME, and so does the Bible.

Don’t you read what Paul says? “We are crucified with him…” Where? Is it not on the cross, too? Stop intrepreting the Bible yourself!

Pio

 

[joehar]

Aside-- Mary is more like the rest of us than she is like Jesus. Mary herself acknowledges her need for a savior and admits to being a sinner…

Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Mary could never attonne for sins

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

joehar:

Aside-- Mary is more like the rest of us than she is like Jesus. Mary herself acknowledges her need for a savior and admits to being a sinner…

Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Mary could never attonne for sins

Your right in saying Mary does not atone for sins.She professes God Her Savior,with God all things are possible including applying Her Son’s future sacrifice to her being born without sin God Bless and good try

 

[JimO]

joehar:

Aside-- Mary is more like the rest of us than she is like Jesus. Mary herself acknowledges her need for a savior and admits to being a sinner…

Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Mary has no divine nature like Jesus. She has a human soul like all of us. This is the teaching of the Catholic Church. For a lot of reasons (that would take volumes to convey) that are backed by Scripture, the Church teaches that Mary was preserved by God from sin. It was entirely by grace. She didn’t earn it by her piety. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception is more about Jesus than about Mary. Anyway, there are many resources that explain this infinitely better than I can.

Mary does not admit to being a sinner in this verse. She rejoices in God her Savior. Mary did need a Savior, but her salvation is best explained with a simple analogy. Me and Mary are walking along a dark road. Ahead is a big, deep, nasty, muddy hole in the ground. I step into the hole and Jesus comes and pulls me out and cleans me off. Before Mary steps into it, Jesus holds her back. Both of us are “saved” from the mud (sin), but where mine was after the fact, Mary’s was preventative.

There are some fascinating reasons why Mary needed to be preserved by God from sin, for Jesus’ sake. For example, she was the “arc of the New Covenant (Jesus).” The Old Testament arc had to be made of purest materials, it could not be touched by man (Mary’s perpetual virginity), etc. You should look into it. You might not agree, but you will then understand where the Catholic Church is coming from.

Blessings

 

[Salmon]

Lisa4Catholics:

Your right in saying Mary does not atone for sins.She professes God Her Savior,with God all things are possible including applying Her Son’s future sacrifice to her being born without sin God Bless and good try

Good point, Lisa.

Take it one step further:

Scripture tells us that Enoch and Elijah were taken up into heaven, while alive.

Did they make it to heaven without the benefit of Christ’s sacrifice? Or, were the effects of Christ’s sacrifice applied to them back in time prior to the crucifixion itself?

Are the effects of Christ’s passion applied forward in time to wash all of us in His blood? Why not backward in time to effect the salvation of God’s elect?

Peace in Christ…Salmon

 

[hlgomez]

Aside-- Mary is more like the rest of us than she is like Jesus. Mary herself acknowledges her need for a savior and admits to being a sinner…

Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Mary could never attonne for sins

Where did Mama Mary admitted that she was a sinner? Can you point out in the Bible passage where she said that please. The one you quoted doesn’t say that she had sinned.

Pio

 

[Stephen-Maguire]

joehar:

Aside-- Mary is more like the rest of us than she is like Jesus. Mary herself acknowledges her need for a savior and admits to being a sinner…

Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Mary could never attonne for sins

Mary cooperated in the plan of God to put right a great wrong, we were banished out of the garden because of Adam & Eve.
Mary needed a saviour also, Jesus had to make a new covenant with the Father to lift the curse upon mankind.
Jesus payed the price with his blood, even the Angel Gabriel said “Hail full of grace” to be full of grace is to be sinless.
We obtain Gods grace here in many ways, but no other creature is “Full of grace” like Mary was.
If we ever get to Heaven we will be full of grace also, but the grace we get here on earth can only be temporal because we fall into sin.​

The Immaculate Conception

490 To become the mother of the Saviour, Mary “was enriched by God with gifts appropriate to such a role.” [LG 56] The angel Gabriel at the moment of the annunciation salutes her as “full of grace”. [Lk 1:28] In fact, in order for Mary to be able to give the free assent of her faith to the announcement of her vocation, it was necessary that she be wholly borne by God’s grace. 2676, 2853, 2001]

491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, “full of grace” through God, [Lk 1:28] was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854: 411]

The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Saviour of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin. [Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus (1854): DS 2803]

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[Gottle_of_Geer]

rayne89:

I know I’ll probably get flamed for this but an image of Mary on the cross makes me uncomfortable. Images of Jesus on the Cross is a huge symbol of our faith. Images of Mary at Fatima, Mary at Lourdes, Mary on the world, Mary at the foot of the cross, anywhere else to me are wonderful. I feel Jesus’ image should be the only one on the cross. It’s just too big of a symbolism for so many.

I entirely agree - I wonder sometimes what symbolism or word or expression relating to her would be regarded as too much tio be justifiable.​

If it is legitimate to depict her on the Cross, and to call her a “quasi-incarnation of the Holy Spirit”, what is to stop her being called “Creatrix” , or something else of the sort ? No praise or honour or title seems to be “out of bounds” for her, and there seems to be nothing - no title, no artistic representation, no form of devotion, no doctrine - that cannot be justified, however strained the justification may be. The one rule seems to be that she should be praised as highly as possible.

She has already absorbed many functions and titles of Christ and the Holy Spirit - how long will it be before she absorbs God the Father as well, and becomes Lady and Goddess ? ##

 

[mayra_hart]

*You are all fair, O Mary,
and the original stain is not in you.
You are the glory of Jerusalem,
You are the joy of Israel,
You are the honor of our people,
You are the Advocate of sinners!
O Mary, Mary,
Virgin most pure,
Mother most merciful;
Pray for us,
Intercede for us with Our Lord Jesus Christ. *

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

You are all fair, O Mary,
and the original stain is not in you.
You are the glory of Jerusalem,
You are the joy of Israel,
You are the honor of our people,
You are the Advocate of sinners!
O Mary, Mary,
Virgin most pure,
Mother most merciful;
Pray for us,
*Intercede for us with Our Lord Jesus Christ. *

Yeah! :clapping: :dancing: :clapping:

 

[drforjc]

She has already absorbed many functions and titles of Christ and the Holy Spirit - how long will it be before she absorbs God the Father as well, and becomes Lady and Goddess ? ##

Trust the Church to discern the valid from the invalid. Many questionable forms of devotion have sprung up through the centuries. The Church, led by the Spirit, discerns the worthy from the unworthy.
That which does not fall within the bounds of orthodox doctrine will not last, either by explicit suppression, or simply quietly fall by the wayside since it did not resonate with the faith of the Church.

 

[joehar]

hlgomez:

Where did Mama Mary admitted that she was a sinner? Can you point out in the Bible passage where she said that please. The one you quoted doesn’t say that she had sinned.

Pio

When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of good and evil in the garden . That is when sin came into play for all. We are born in sin and shaped iniquity… Oh and by the way she didnt have to.

 

[Mickey]

joehar:

When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of good and evil in the garden . That is when sin came into play for all. We are born in sin and shaped iniquity… Oh and by the way she didnt have to.

Hey Joe,

Do you think the Son of God would rest in the womb of a sinner?

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Mickey:

Hey Joe,

Do you think the Son of God would rest in the womb of a sinner?

Hi Mickey.If God is our creator and He has formed us in our mothers womb and everything God creates is good.Are we with sin in our mothers womb? At what point do we inherit original sin? And if Jesus has already paid the price for all sin why do we continue to inherit original sin? God Bless

 

[Mickey]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Mickey.If God is our creator and He has formed us in our mothers womb and everything God creates is good.Are we with sin in our mothers womb? At what point do we inherit original sin? And if Jesus has already paid the price for all sin why do we continue to inherit original sin? God Bless

Mary was a type of Ark of the covenant. God spared her from original sin so as to provide a pure and untainted vessel for His Son. This is sacred tradition, spokenword. And if you reject sacred tradition, you reject this. In otherwords, there is nothing you can say to me that will provoke me to agree with protestant revisionist theology. If you would like a history/theology lesson on the Church’s teaching regarding original sin, there is an abundance of info out there. Enjoy your tea, brother!