Mary was just a vessel

[guanophore]

Could you please expain the tradition of not eating meat on Fridays and why it was changed?

I could, but it would be off topic in the thread, just like your very good question above about the elements used in communion. These are also well covered in the library, just use the link and type in your question.​

• What if, after studying, you come to a conclusion that something taught by the CC is not exactly correct?

I would conclude that my understanding is deficient.

for example, you asked another very good question above…Did God die? No, but then, Jesus is God, and Jesus died. It is a profound mystery that is beyond my capability to grasp, like the trinity.

• If that won’t happen, why do any studying except what the CC says if it’s never wrong?

Well, it happens to me alot!

Study of errors is also important, so they are not repeated.

• If that's what you mean by decades of study, you really didn't study for yourself.

That is not what I meant by decades of study. In fact, I am not aware of any Catholics, or any Apologists or any members here at CAF that meet that definition.

 

[Bill_Pick]

appreciate this bill. does it seem to you that dokimas is questioning the doctrine of the trinity? if so, that is very dangerous ground indeed. hopefully i am wrong on this. Have a Blessed Lords Day tomorrow.

benidict, I have no idel what he is talking about he has little to do \with the CC so its just what he think about the CC, I think the next post he is talking about not eating meat on Friday,He know so little he just shot a shotgun and hope he hits some thing, If you try to help him he gets mad so just pray for him

 

[benidict]

benidict, I have no idel what he is talking about he has little to do \with the CC so its just what he think about the CC, I think the next post he is talking about not eating meat on Friday,He know so little he just shot a shotgun and hope he hits some thing, If you try to help him he gets mad so just pray for him

wise council bill. thank you. will pray for him. it is interesting to note however how the discussion of the Blessed Mother, has led us to discussing the Trinity. perhaps, getting the doctrine of Mariology correct is more important than we thought? that it does lead directly to the concept of the Trinity? just a thought i had as i reviewed the post. to Jesus Thru Mary Brother.

 

[guanophore]

What is it that non-cathloic find a stumbing block against Mary,are they going to Tell Jesus how much they dislike His Mother,That is one thing I will not do. tell Jesus face to face I do not like your Mother and I do not respect Her…O well it will all come out in the wash.

Indeed it will, Bill. Remember that Simeon prophesied about Mary that a “sword will pierce your own heart also, so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed”. Mary is a stumbling block because what is taught about her is based upon what is taught about Christ.

Those that have an incomplete understanding of Christ or reject the Truth become evident in their attitudes toward Mary. For example, one may reject the title “Theotokos” if one rejects that the Son is God incarnate.

 

[guanophore]

hello guanophore. waiting on a response from dokimas about what he meant when he asked " did God die?" would very much like it if you would answere him. do not know if he is questioning the trinity or not. hi question seem somewhat arian. you would be best equipped to answere his question. he seems very close to denying the doctrine of the trinity. would appreciate your thoughts on this. i could be wrong. thx Love in Christ.

Believe me, I am very tempted, but it is off topic here, so I am going to fight the urge. I think what he is stumbling over is the mystery of the hypostatic union. there are just some Christian concepts that don’t make sense to human beings, like how Mary can be the Mother of God, and how God can die on the cross. These must be accepted in faith, because they will never make sense until I get there.

 

[benidict]

Believe me, I am very tempted, but it is off topic here, so I am going to fight the urge. I think what he is stumbling over is the mystery of the hypostatic union. there are just some Christian concepts that don’t make sense to human beings, like how Mary can be the Mother of God, and how God can die on the cross. These must be accepted in faith, because they will never make sense until I get there.

Amen to that. thanks and God bless

 

[Bill_Pick]

I could, but it would be off topic in the thread, just like your very good question above about the elements used in communion. These are also well covered in the library, just use the link and type in your question.​

I would conclude that my understanding is deficient.

for example, you asked another very good question above…Did God die? No, but then, Jesus is God, and Jesus died. It is a profound mystery that is beyond my capability to grasp, like the trinity.

Well, it happens to me alot!

Study of errors is also important, so they are not repeated.

That is not what I meant by decades of study. In fact, I am not aware of any Catholics, or any Apologists or any members here at CAF that meet that definition.

Some one need to ask DoKimas what he has learn about the K of C and what he can tell you about this group.if he will tell you

 

[Dokimas]

hello guanophore. waiting on a response from dokimas about what he meant when he asked " did God die?" would very much like it if you would answere him. do not know if he is questioning the trinity or not. hi question seem somewhat arian. you would be best equipped to answere his question. he seems very close to denying the doctrine of the trinity. would appreciate your thoughts on this. i could be wrong. thx Love in Christ.

That’s a straight forward question: ‘Did God ever Die?’​

Did Jesus take our sins to hell?​

 

[Dokimas]

Believe me, I am very tempted, but it is off topic here, so I am going to fight the urge. I think what he is stumbling over is the mystery of the hypostatic union. there are just some Christian concepts that don’t make sense to human beings, like how Mary can be the Mother of God, and how God can die on the cross. These must be accepted in faith, because they will never make sense until I get there.

I don’t think I’m having problems with the hypostatic union. It’s a mystery, sure, which means we don’t understand how it can happen, but we KNOW that it did.​

We know that Jesus emptied Himself when He became Human.

 

[Dokimas]

its my understanding that eating meat on fridays is a custom not a dogma. similar to priest not marrying. it is custom. customs can be changed, dogmas and doctrine cannot. if the the Pope and council of bishops decided that the priest would say, have a different uniform to wear. that would be a change of custom not a change in doctrine. doctrine has never been changed since the time of the apostles.

When I was a lot younger and my Catholic friends could not eat meat on Fridays, they would say if they did they’d be sinning. If they understood this correctly, sounds more like dogma or doctrine than custom.​

 

[Dokimas]

benidict, I have no idel what he is talking about he has little to do \with the CC so its just what he think about the CC, I think the next post he is talking about not eating meat on Friday,He know so little he just shot a shotgun and hope he hits some thing, If you try to help him he gets mad so just pray for him

Bill, who gets mad? Maybe we all should pray for him?

 

[Dokimas]

Indeed it will, Bill. Remember that Simeon prophesied about Mary that a “sword will pierce your own heart also, so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed”. Mary is a stumbling block because what is taught about her is based upon what is taught about Christ.

Those that have an incomplete understanding of Christ or reject the Truth become evident in their attitudes toward Mary. For example, one may reject the title “Theotokos” if one rejects that the Son is God incarnate.

You can assure Bill that no non-catholic Christian I know dislikes Mary. It’s wrong teaching that troubles us.​

Luke 2:
34 Then Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary His mother, "Behold, this Child is destined for the fall and rising of many in Israel, and for a sign which will be spoken against
35 “(yes, a sword will pierce through your own soul also), that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”​

You seem to understand the above that the sword that pierces Mary’s heart is the misunderstanding of her position is all this and that will reveal the hearts of people like me.?​

Seems more logical that what will pierce the heart of Mary is what her Son will have to go through and how that will affect many in Israel. It will be what Jesus goes through that will reveal the hearts of many.

 

[Dokimas]

Some one need to ask DoKimas what he has learn about the K of C and what he can tell you about this group.if he will tell you

I know nothing. Do you want to enlighten me?​

See, Bill, that was easy.?

 

[bookgirl32]

When I was a lot younger and my Catholic friends could not eat meat on Fridays, they would say if they did they’d be sinning. If they understood this correctly, sounds more like dogma or doctrine than custom.​

It is not dogma or doctrine. It is what the Church calls a matter of “discipline”. These matters are helpful and important and it is a sin to disobey them, but they can change.

 

[Bill_Pick]

That’s a straight forward question: ‘Did God ever Die?’​

Did Jesus take our sins to hell?​

bendict, I think you can see when DoKimas gets a hard question he goes into hiding,like the question about the K of C, well keep praying for him

 

[Dokimas]

bendict, I think you can see when DoKimas gets a hard question he goes into hiding,like the question about the K of C, well keep praying for him

Hi, Bill. I’m back from hiding.​

I do believe I answered your question about K of C to the best of my ability. I don’t see you telling me what I need to know about it.​

As long as you pray to God the Creator of everything, the Father, I hope you never stop praying for me. Pray His will, (not your will or my will) be done in my life. I’d really appreciate it.

 

[Dokimas]

It is not dogma or doctrine. It is what the Church calls a matter of “discipline”. These matters are helpful and important and it is a sin to disobey them, but they can change.

That’s not very helpful cuz I can’t find where humans can tell other humans what one day is sin and the next day is not sin. God doesn’t change His mind.​

Paul made it clear we can’t tell each other what to eat and what not to eat. There is a grave warning here.

1 Timothy 4:
1 ¶ Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

 

[Dokimas]

bendict, I think you can see when DoKimas gets a hard question he goes into hiding.

I may have missed your answers to Scriptures I’ve posted that bring into question some of your understandings. If you’ve purposely not responded, maybe you should stop throwing stones when you live in a glass house.

 

[Dokimas]

Bill, who gets mad? Maybe we all should pray for him?

Bill, these questions were asked of you!!!

 

[Bill_Pick]

When I was a lot younger and my Catholic friends could not eat meat on Fridays, they would say if they did they’d be sinning. If they understood this correctly, sounds more like dogma or doctrine than custom.​

What Dokimas is trying to say is WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER AND CATHLOIC HE DID NOT EAT ANY MEAT AND HE DID NOT KNOW WHY So just help him with that and he will be OK, And we can work on the K of C later