okay, you are are misusing scripture.I’m just showing how dangerous it is when we use our own interpretation of the Bible.We can not just pick up the bible and interperate on our own,this is why we need the magisterium of Holy Catholic Church,scripture* and* tradition.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the* traditions* which you were taught by us,either by word *of mouth **or ***by letter.
Luke 1:46-49
And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden. For behold, henceforth *all *generations will call me blessed; for he who is mighty has done great things for me,and holy is his name.
so what.“Therefore we confess that our Lord and God Jesus Christ the only Son of God, who for His own sake was begotten of the Father before all worlds, when in time He was for our sakes: made man of the Holy Ghost and the ever-virgin Mary,” *John Cassian Seven Books on The Incarnation of The Lord against Nestorius, Bk. I Chap. V *
“Who for us men and for our salvation came down, and was incarnate, that is to say was conceived perfectly through the Holy Ghost of the holy ever-virgin Mary, and was made man,” First Council of Constantinople.
“Moreover we confess that one of the same holy consubstantial Trinity, God the Word, who was begotten of the Father before the worlds, in the last days of the world for us and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Ghost, and of our Lady, the holy, immaculate, ever-virgin and glorious Mary, truly and properly the Mother of God” Second Council of Constantinople.
“Possibly his reason for thinking that our Lord Jesus Christ was not of our nature was this–that the Angel who was sent to the blessed and **ever Virgin Mary **said, "The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee,…” *The Council of *Chalcedon
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Non-Catholic Christians have chosen the Bible, since they reject the Church which Jesus Christ founded.so what.
NONE of this is from scripture. Period.
Non-Catholic Christians have chosen the Bible, since they reject the Church which Jesus Christ founded.
where in scripture did Jesus “found” the "C"atholic Church???
this is a presupposition of yours!
The True Church is ALL believers!! This is the body of Christ…nor simply the Catholic church.
Sorry…
the entire body of believers.
- Who is the teacher of all the wisdom of GOD?
Does the Bible say it is the Bible? No, it says it is the Church, Ephesians 3:10.
NOT not NOT the "C"atholic chruch.
I am sounding like a broken record here…
- Who is to be saved
but your presupposition about the "C"atholic Church is holding you bondage…
There are many people saved that have doings what so ever with the "C"atholic Church…
who is edifying the bible??
- What are we commanded to edify?
Does the Bible say that we are to edify the Bible?
No, it says we are to edify the Church, 1Corinthians 14:12.
that is just a leather bound book.
I choose to edify the church, …just not the "C"atholic version of it.
I also choose to lift up the WORD OF GOD…which are the scriptures…NOT not NOT the "C"atholic church.
well now you are just sounding silly!! Who would let a bound book run the place???
- Who or what rules the Church of GOD?
Does the Bible say it is the Bible?
No, the Bible says it is the Bishops that the Holy Spirit has appointed that rule the Church of GOD, Acts 20:28.
LOL…
No, but I will allow the message via the WORD OF GOD run the place…and the church (NOT not NOT the Catholic church) shall decide…
cont…
- What is it that Jesus purchased with His own blood?
Does the Bible say it is the Bible?
No, the Bible says that Jesus purchased the Church of GOD with His own blood, Acts 20:28, King James Bible.
whew…are we done yet?
Have you learned a very good lesson yet???
The Church Christ speaks of…
listen now…
IS…
NOT not NOT solely the "C"atholic Church!!!
to all points.
- For what did Christ give Himself up?
Does the Bible say it was the Bible?
No, the Bible says that Christ gave Himself up for the Church, Ephesians 5:25.- What is it that Jesus nourishes and cherishes?
Does the Bible say it is the Bible?
No, the Bible says that Jesus nourishes and cherishes His Church, Ephesians 5:29.- For what is Jesus the savior?
Does the Bible say it is the Bible?
No, the Bible says Jesus is the savior of His Body which is the Church that He founded, Ephesians 1:22-23, and 5:23.- What has neither spot nor wrinkle?
Does the Bible say it is the Bible?
No, the Bible says it is the Church that Jesus Christ founded, Ephesians 5:27.
The Church is not holy because of us. The Church is holy because of Him.- To whom or to what is the Church subject?
Does the Bible say it is the Bible?
No, the Bible says the Church is subject to Christ, Ephesians 5:24.- What are we commanded not to offend?
Does the Bible say it is the Bible?
No, the Bible says we are to give no offence to the Church of GOD, 1Corinthians 10:32.
Do you give offence to the Church of GOD that Jesus Christ founded?- What came first, the New Testament part of the Bible or the Church?
Does the Bible say it was the Bible?
No, but it tells us that the Church was already in existence for years before any New Testament books were even written.How do we know this?Because it is the Church which is mentioned in these books:
Matthew 16:18 and 18:17,
Acts 5:11, for one and many more times in Acts,
Romans 16:23, and many more verses,
1Corinthians 1:2, and many more verses,
2Corinthians 1:1,
Galatians 1:13,
Ephesians 1:22, and many more verses,
Philippians 3:6 and 4:15,
Colossians 1:18, and many more verses,
1Thessalonians 1:1. 1Thessalonians is considered to be the first New Testament book written, in about 51 A.D…
2Thessalonians 1:1,
1Timothy 3:5, 3:15 and 5:16,
Titus 3:15, per added note in the King James Version,
Philemon 1:2,
Hebrews 2:12 and 12:23,
James 5:14,
1Peter 5:13,
3John 1:6 and 1:9-10,
Revelation 2:1, plus six more in the same book.
Since all of these books mention the word Church, the Church had to have been in existence already for years before they were written. If that is true, then how was the teaching accomplished without a New Testament of Jesus Christ? Simply by the same way that Jesus Christ taught, orally. Oral teaching is Tradition. Tradition (capital ‘T’) is Apostolic oral teaching handed down to their successors and to others. The Bible is oral Tradition written down. There was no such thing as Sola Scriptura even then.
There was not any New Testament scripture for the first twenty years of the existence of the Church.
So where did your scripture come from to start with?where in scripture did Jesus “found” the "C"atholic Church???
this is a presupposition of yours!
don’t go there.So where did your scripture come from to start with?
How do you know its from God?don’t go there.
ALL scripture is God breathed.
Therefore, if we consider the scripture to be Holy…it is from God, not of a denomination.
Thank you.
answer me ONE thing…How do you know its from God?
Not relevant to the question at hand.answer me ONE thing…
Do you believe God?
I am getting there…Not relevant to the question at hand.
How do you know that the Bible is the divinely inspired word of God?
Yes, if I did not believe in God, there are details I probably would not fully understand. However, it still has no bearing on the question I asked.I am getting there…
but you won’t be able to understand it, if you do not believe God…
Do you, or do you NOT believe God?
Scripture tells us something very important…
…but, I am wondering where your heart is…and whether or not you understand it depends on the answer of that question.
Then you believe 2 Tim 3:16.Yes, if I did not believe in God, there are details I probably would not fully understand. However, it still has no bearing on the question I asked.
I want to know your reasoning on why the bible is the inspired Word of God?
2 Tim 3:16 doesn’t lay out the canon of scripture. Nor does it even say that 2 Tim 3:16 is scripture.Then you believe 2 Tim 3:16.
Oh brother, how many times have we seen that reply on these forums. It seems to be a staple of a certain breed of disputatious Protestant (and to be fair, a certain breed of disputatious Catholic too). So spare us, please. Or have you been divinely authorized to judge hearts now?I believe God.
…sorry you truly don’t.
So you believe the Bible is His inspired Word 'cause He told you so?Then you believe 2 Tim 3:16.
I believe God.
He told me scripture is HIS INSPIRED WORD…
…sorry you truly don’t.
oh brother…2 Tim 3:16 doesn’t lay out the canon of scripture. Nor does it even say that 2 Tim 3:16 is scripture.
Oh brother, how many times have we seen that reply on these forums. It seems to be a staple of a certain breed of disputatious Protestant (and to be fair, a certain breed of disputatious Catholic too). So spare us, please. Or have you been divinely authorized to judge hearts now?
um yes. He has told the entire world so, if you choose to read it.So you believe the Bible is His inspired Word 'cause He told you so?
nope…just opened up the bible and started reading.So did you just have a dream one night about and God told you all the books that belong in the bible? What about the Book of Mormon, or the Koran? Those all claim to be divinely inspired.