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I find it hard to believe that none of my Methodist friends have replied to the listing of Methodist and cults. The Methodist Church is a christian protestant church with many similarities in their beliefs as the catholic church. In fact it was a Methodist Pastor that explained to me what some of the catholic beliefs were that I was mistaken about esp the Catholic love of Mary.
 
A lot of negative things have been created against the free masons, my dad and grandfather were free masons and they were amazing people with a many other people saying the same…
 
There are no real secrets with the Masons, I was a Free Mason for about forty years when I lived in Pennsylvania. Before I was allowed to join the Blue Lodge, I was throughly investigated, it takes only one black ball to disqualify you from becoming a member of the lodge. We had Catholics in the lodge that I was a member. The reason why I am not a member now is that when I left the ELCA for the LC-MS, I had to give up membership in the lodge. The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod does not allow it’s members to be Masons because of syncretism. There seems to be a lot of miss information on this thread about the Masons. Most of Our Founding Fathers of this country were Masons.
 
My Father was the Master of a Freemason’s Lodge repeatedly for several years.

There are two main problems with Freemasonry for Catholics.

First, as someone else has stated, they lump all dieties together, stating that the Gods of the various religions are just one expression of the “GAU” or Great Architect of the Universe. Allah, Jehovah, the Christian Trinity - these are all just expressions of the G.A.U. and not one is better or more correct than the other. nh160 mentioned syncretism. This theology is incompatible with a savior who taught that “No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Another problem with Freemasonry as far as Catholics are concerned is their swearing of oaths on matters of faith and morals. Jesus warned us about oaths sworn to those who have no authority to do so. The Catholic Church alone has been given authority by Christ himself on matters of faith and morals, and the Catholic Church alone has the authorith to ask men to swear oaths with regards to things of God. Just as the rightful authority on matters of criminal justice is the secular court system and one cannot convene their own court in their living room and start swearing in witnesses, the Catholic Church alone is the rightful authority on thigs having to do with God and the Freemasons do not have a right to ask their members to swear oaths on things that pertain to matters of faith and morals as taught by God through his Church. The sacraments of initiation all have a component of professing faith and swearing allegiance to God and his rightful authority on earth, the Catholic Church. We profess our belief in the Catholic Church, one baptism for the forgiveness of sin, etc in the creed at every Mass.

My father always insisted that the Catholic Church was opposed to freemasonry because they wanted a piece of the money that Freemasons donate to charity. And they do donate, a lot. That is what many Freemason’s believe, that the Church is opposed to Freemasonry because the Church is greedy. That the Church could have legitimate differences is not often taken into account.

-Tim-
 
I asked a priest once if Catholics could belong to the Masons. He said that it used to not be allowed, but now they are more open to it. I walked away from that conversation wondering why the change. Since then I have read numerous places that Catholics, indeed, are still not allowed to become Masons. Many Catholics do not even know this rule, and join anyway. You never here it from the pulpit, or read it in the bulletin.

PRIESTS: Please tell people about this.

Now about the “secret”. I find it so hard to believe that no one knows what it is or will tell the “secret” initiation or whatever it is. It seems so “kids clubhouse” to me.

Another question: Does the Eagles club fall under the umbrella of Masons? I know they also have some secret attached to their initiation.
 
The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod does not allow it’s members to be Masons because of syncretism. There seems to be a lot of miss information on this thread about the Masons. Most of Our Founding Fathers of this country were Masons.
I think the LCMS is probably right about the danger of syncretism. A possible example of that relating to a Founding Father who was a Mason is The Apotheosis of Washington. In it Washington is becoming a god and surrounded by other pagan gods. Then you also have the Washington as Zeus statue.



 
My Father was the Master of a Freemason’s Lodge repeatedly for several years.

There are two main problems with Freemasonry for Catholics.

First, as someone else has stated, they lump all dieties together, stating that the Gods of the various religions are just one expression of the “GAU” or Great Architect of the Universe. Allah, Jehovah, the Christian Trinity - these are all just expressions of the G.A.U. and not one is better or more correct than the other. nh160 mentioned syncretism. This theology is incompatible with a savior who taught that “No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Another problem with Freemasonry as far as Catholics are concerned is their swearing of oaths on matters of faith and morals. Jesus warned us about oaths sworn to those who have no authority to do so. The Catholic Church alone has been given authority by Christ himself on matters of faith and morals, and the Catholic Church alone has the authorith to ask men to swear oaths with regards to things of God. Just as the rightful authority on matters of criminal justice is the secular court system and one cannot convene their own court in their living room and start swearing in witnesses, the Catholic Church alone is the rightful authority on thigs having to do with God and the Freemasons do not have a right to ask their members to swear oaths on things that pertain to matters of faith and morals as taught by God through his Church. The sacraments of initiation all have a component of professing faith and swearing allegiance to God and his rightful authority on earth, the Catholic Church. We profess our belief in the Catholic Church, one baptism for the forgiveness of sin, etc in the creed at every Mass.

My father always insisted that the Catholic Church was opposed to freemasonry because they wanted a piece of the money that Freemasons donate to charity. And they do donate, a lot. That is what many Freemason’s believe, that the Church is opposed to Freemasonry because the Church is greedy. That the Church could have legitimate differences is not often taken into account.

-Tim-
Tim,

That’s a great compete and concise explanation. It cuts through all the fat and side issues and concentrates on the important reasons Catholics cannot be Masons.
 
I asked a priest once if Catholics could belong to the Masons. He said that it used to not be allowed, but now they are more open to it. I walked away from that conversation wondering why the change. Since then I have read numerous places that Catholics, indeed, are still not allowed to become Masons. Many Catholics do not even know this rule, and join anyway. You never here it from the pulpit, or read it in the bulletin.

PRIESTS: Please tell people about this.

Now about the “secret”. I find it so hard to believe that no one knows what it is or will tell the “secret” initiation or whatever it is. It seems so “kids clubhouse” to me.

Another question: Does the Eagles club fall under the umbrella of Masons? I know they also have some secret attached to their initiation.
Isn’t that exactly what fraternities are, big boy clubhouses? LoL

The Eagles do not fall under the Masonic banner, they are a different and seperate organization altogether. Now as to Catholics can be Eagles, I do not know.
 
This video below is one of the most elegant and truthful explanations of Scottish Rite Freemasonry I have ever seen, from the mouth of a practising 33rd degree Freemason:

Esoteric Freemasonry Explained by the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council

It not only shows what an exceedingly intelligent belief system it is, but also how utterly incompatible it is with Christianity.

Scottish Rite Freemasonry is relatively tame compared to ‘irregular’ Continental Freemasonry, which has much more of a history of violent anti-clericalism. Nonetheless, there can’t be any doubt that it is deeply steeped in occultism.

Now, I believe it was Manly P. Hall, a prolific and extremely learned Masonic philosopher and author who wrote an excellent book called Secret Teachings of All Ages, which is an incredible compendium of the various ancient belief systems, who mentioned in another book that Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity.

It seems the outer layers of Freemasonry are typically little more than men’s social clubs, and its teachings are a syncretistic theism or naturalistic deism with a sprinkle of liberal philosophy (liberty, equality), and a belief in salvation by being a good person (i.e. works and not grace). Although incompatible with Christianity, it appears merely misguided and there is little that is overtly offensive in this.

From Henry C. Clausen, we hear a reiteration of this idea that in the past secret knowledge was revealed to “selected candidates, who had gone through the fires of initiation and vows of secrecy,” which, if applied today, would mean that even out of the initiated Freemasons, the secrets are revealed only to a select few.

However, for those who take the Masonic symbolism and rituals more seriously and see them as more than a quaint throwback to the past, there exists an inner layer of Freemasonry, which is concerned with the study of these Ancient Mysteries, which are essentially all the pagan belief systems of the past as well as Jewish occultism (Kabbalah). This is not mere speculation - Henry C. Clausen explains it well. And as he further goes on to explain, the goal is to unlock man’s full potential by discovering their secrets and unlocking the power of the mind and will by tapping into these unknown, but scientific, forces of the universe.

Seeking perfection through works and wishing to unlock the power of the will is certainly a form of self-deification and from the Christian point of view closely corresponds to the serpent’s promise in the Garden of Eden that “you will be like God.” Here we smell the first whiff of demonic doctrine.
 
But for the esoteric Freemason, the pursuit of such mystic powers may be seen as entirely scientific and therefore he may sincerely deny that Freemasonry is a religion.

Now, if you read Manly P. Hall’s introduction to alchemy in his book, Secret Teachings of All Ages, you will see the Freemason’s attitude to this seemingly silly pursuit:
Is the transmutation of base metals into gold possible? Is the idea one at which the learned of the modern world can afford to scoff? Alchemy was more than a speculative art: it was also an operative art. … That the galaxy of brilliant philosophic and scientific minds who, over a period of two thousand years, affirmed the actuality of metallic transmutation and multiplication, could be completely sane and rational on all other problems of philosophy and science, yet hopelessly mistaken on this one point, is untenable. Nor is it reasonable that the hundreds declaring to have seen and performed transmutations of metals could all have been dupes, imbeciles, or liars.
It might seem shocking to us, and to many Freemasons, that anyone, not least someone as learned as the author, might consider this a remote possibility. But the belief of esoteric Freemasonry is that the strange powers claimed by the followers of ancient pagan sects are most certainly real and a part of the natural world.

Now, while Henry C. Clausen in the above video condemns ceremonial magic as “vain and wicked” although he does ambiguously add “if not a pious fraud,” it’s most illuminating to see that in The Secret Teachings of All Ages, there is no doubt that magic is real, although it is similarly condemned by the author:
Transcendentalism and all forms of phenomenalistic magic are but blind alleys–outgrowths of Atlantean sorcery; and those who forsake the straight path of philosophy to wander therein almost invariably fall victims to their imprudence. Man, incapable of controlling his own appetites, is not equal to the task of governing the fiery and tempestuous elemental spirits. Many a magician has lost his life as the result of opening a way whereby submundane creatures could become active participants in his affairs.
Notice, that this Freemason isn’t naive. He knows that magic is dangerous, and he almost reiterates Catholic teaching with regard to the dangers of opening oneself up to “elemental,” or as we would call it, demonic, influence.

In reference to contacting the dead through mediums, he also notes, “The majority of modern mediumistic apparitions are but elemental creatures masquerading through bodies composed of thought substance supplied by the very persons desiring to behold these wraiths of decarnate beings.”

This too is what Christians typically believe - that invoking the souls of the dead, if effective, invariably results in making contact with a demonic spirit masquerading as the dead person.

Now, Freemasonry is not uniform. Its structure is similar to Protestantism - there is no central authority and a significant amount of independence. In fact, Freemasonry is like the Protestantism of the occult. Lodges are to a degree independent of each other and most are nothing but charitable social clubs, and whereas the inner layers do dabble in the occult and seek to possess hidden powers, and from the perspective of Christianity do certainly make use of demonic powers, there is relatively little overt Satanism going on. And as we can see, the wiser Freemasons at least understand that the forces they so eagerly seek to control are dangerous, but they believe that with adequate knowledge, they can safely have access to their power.

So esoteric Freemasonry, much like Catholicism, recognises the reality of the spirit world, except it sees it as an extension of the natural world and its pursuit of understanding it as scientific. However, as Christians we recognise that whatever secret abilities the Freemason may come to possess through his study of the so-called Ancient Wisdom are nothing but the direct manifestation of the power of the fallen angels.

And even Manly P. Hall mentions that when the Mason learns to apply the secret knowledge, “the seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands.” There are other quotes by Albert Pike, another important Masonic author, that make reference to Lucifer, although they are ambiguous.

If I am correct, Lucifer, in the esoteric understanding of Freemasons, is a source of power in the universe, and is neither good nor bad, and can be personal or impersonal depending on whom you ask. When understood in that sense, as a source of power, a bringer of light, or knowledge, one can surmise that of the few Masons who actually see Lucifer as something more than pure allegory, most do not see him or it as something inherently evil.

To the Christian, however, there can be no doubt that Lucifer, who is known to present himself as an “Angel of Light,” and who, as the Serpent, purported to bring mankind “knowledge” of good and evil, is none other than the Devil himself. So insofar as a minority of Masons may indeed seek after Lucifer’s powers, there is indeed some substantiation to the claims that Freemasonry is, at least in part, Satanic.

We mustn’t take this to mean, however, that all of it is, or that most Freemasons are Satanists. It is a fraternity that to a significant degree involves occult pursuits, and wherever we see occultism being practiced, we will almost certainly see demonic influence and Satanism in one form of another. This is nothing new - it is a natural outgrowth of any form of occultism. Despite denials to the contrary, we can see it not only in Freemasonry, but in the deeper teachings of some New Agers, witches, spiritualists, gnostics and so forth. Esoteric Freemasonry, therefore, is nothing but a very intelligent version of the same thing, and Christians, Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant, should have nothing to do with it.
 
Does anyone know what the big mason secret is? the one that makes it a rumored Satanic cult. I was under the impression that the Catholic Church under Rome was the only rite in which members are excommunicated for joining.( Big reason why I’m still a catholic)
I talked to a couple Masons I was friends with and they told me if I new what it was I would laugh because it was so easy to figure out.
Also I had a friend that had been out of the church for 30+ years and joined the Masons right before he retired, Then immediately quit going as he felt it contradicted Christ
Also most the people I know who where Masons; where also into wife swapping. Is that one of the fringe benifets of being a mason, sharing your wife with other men?
Cheers! 👍
One of the biggest myths ever going is the mason secret as your friends are trying to tell you. :D:D:D I am sure whoever set out with the idea only did so, to aide advertising. After all, if you knew what it was you wouldn’t be interested would you…:D:D:D

People are very mixed too about it too and I think it is really because they don’t fully understand. They only understand what literature there is out there. I’ve known Masons for most of my life etc. I have even been to two masonic lodges for Scouting events. though am sure in time this will be a hot topic as people have some very mixed ideas in this world and that is the beauty of being free I guess;)
 
Ps
ON seeing other posts, one thing masons are not is religion… people leave their religion and politics at the door if its well run…
 
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ON seeing other posts, one thing masons are not is religion… people leave their religion and politics at the door if its well run…
It’s not necessarily a religion, but it is definitely a study of the occult aspects of ancient religions.

As Henry C. Clausen said in the video, “the powers, forces and energies can be discovered if we search deeply enough,” and “few aspects of mystic power are more fascinating or buried more deeply in esoteric teachings than symbols.”

Freemasonry, therefore, aside from being a social club, and while perhaps not necessarily a coherent religious doctrine in and of itself, is, for some (not all) of those initiated into the higher degrees of Masonic teaching, a scientific study of the occult for the purpose of attaining mystic power and secret knowledge that would enable one to tap into the hidden powers, forces and energies of the universe.

Compared to New Age, Satanism, witchcraft and the like, the esoteric side of Freemasonry is an extremely sophisticated, intelligent and philosophical system of occult learning, making other occult practices look immature and simplistic. If it is not religion, the occult aspect of it, at least, is in radical opposition to the one, true religion - Christianity.
 
It might seem shocking to us, and to many Freemasons, that anyone, not least someone as learned as the author, might consider this a remote possibility. But the belief of esoteric Freemasonry is that the strange powers claimed by the followers of ancient pagan sects are most certainly real and a part of the natural world.
I’d certainly like to ask that fellow why then am I stuck with a middle-class job and not currently traveling the world on magical quests for the Mage’s Guild/Circle/Academy. :rolleyes:
 
I’d certainly like to ask that fellow why then am I stuck with a middle-class job and not currently traveling the world on magical quests for the Mage’s Guild/Circle/Academy. :rolleyes:
When certain Freemasons accuse dogmatic Christianity of superstition, I sometimes wonder whether it’s not simply a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
 
When certain Freemasons accuse dogmatic Christianity of superstition, I sometimes wonder whether it’s not simply a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Do these same masons also realize that even saints chastise those who treat God, prayer, or miracles as simply a system of wish-granting? That’s superstition.

I for one don’t and generally have a negative view on those who do.
 
It’s not necessarily a religion, but it is definitely a study of the occult aspects of ancient religions.

As Henry C. Clausen said in the video, “the powers, forces and energies can be discovered if we search deeply enough,” and “few aspects of mystic power are more fascinating or buried more deeply in esoteric teachings than symbols.”

Freemasonry, therefore, aside from being a social club, and while perhaps not necessarily a coherent religious doctrine in and of itself, is, for some (not all) of those initiated into the higher degrees of Masonic teaching, a scientific study of the occult for the purpose of attaining mystic power and secret knowledge that would enable one to tap into the hidden powers, forces and energies of the universe.

Compared to New Age, Satanism, witchcraft and the like, the esoteric side of Freemasonry is an extremely sophisticated, intelligent and philosophical system of occult learning, making other occult practices look immature and simplistic. If it is not religion, the occult aspect of it, at least, is in radical opposition to the one, true religion - Christianity.
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And for this very reason, it is not compatible…just that statement is 'nuff said. The Church knows what she is doing…🙂
 
My word. What kind of people are you associated with?
That’s like the majority of the people I used to work with, I could go on about it; but I’d be getting myself banned from the forums with their details.
 
The Mason are no different from the Elks or the Knights of Columbus. There is a lot of conspiracy theory garbage about them, but it is just so much nonsense. They do a lot of great things like the Shriners hospitals. They are, of course, basically a pagan religion, which is why Catholics can’t join them. They have their own deity called the Grand Architect, and they have magical rituals and so on. Whether or not the members of Freemasonry actually believe in it is another matter, but the rituals and dogma of Freemasonry are prima facie incompatible with Catholicism. But as a wise poster above pointed out, the same is true of Methodists, but we haven’t got anything against them, right? Even though the Masons are a pagan religion, they deserve as much respect as any other non-Catholic charitable organization. Indulging in conspiracy theories helps no one.
Freemasonry is not a religion, nor a substitute for religion; all its members are encouraged to steadfast to the faith of their acceptance.
 
Freemasonry is not a religion, nor a substitute for religion; all its members are encouraged to steadfast to the faith of their acceptance.
Its occult aspects, however, are radically incompatible with all forms of dogmatic Christianity, Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant.
 
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