Masonic Bible - What to do with it?

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Traddy1962 said:
What should be done if the book were something like the Satanic Bible, or some other literature promoting Satanism? I suppose that wouldn’t need to be properly disposed of either, just because the owner(a Catholic) disagrees with its contents
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That should definitely be burned.
 
If you do plan on burning said Masonic Bible, you should first make it “Holey”. Take an electric drill and physically drill many holes into said book. That way, when you throw it into the fire, the book burns more efficiently and faster.
 
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My problem with burning is just the opposite. I thought that was one of the proper ways to dispose of old bibles and other sacramentals to show respect for are. Doesn’t rate such respect IMO. So burn it if that’s the way you normally dispose of trash, but don’t think it rates a burning.
 
tafan2 said:
Why all the talk about burning it or disposing it as if it is of sacred value?. It is NOT a sacramental. Toss it in the nearest trash can.
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You should burn it because that’s how Old Testament got rid of satanic stuff. And if you just throw it away there’s a potential someone else can pick it up as low as that chance may be.
 
Again, I took the recommendation to burn it based on the fact it’s a bible. As that is the respectful way to dispose of old bibles and sacramentals. So burning it shows a level if respect for it that should not exist.

Just the opposite of what others are thinking I suppose.
 
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Couple things,
  1. I would advise you read my post above about and the document named “The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita” (and then read it yourself to confirm) it is not long and quite self explanatory in regards to your question. SEE BELOW - I POSTED THE WHOLE THING
  2. I’ve already stated that the people on the lower end of things probably don’t know about what goes on at the top.
  3. If you know any priests that are Masons, I would advise you, for the benefit of God’s Church, that you go to them and tell them Catholics must not be Masons, and then report the issue to the local bishop so that the issue can clear up. If you are publicly known as a Mason you cannot even become a Catholic before you publicly renounce your status as one (though I’m sure many people get by because of the complete lack of knowledge of the Church’s stance on this secret society). Believe it or not people used to get excommunicated for even joining! Its a big deal.
 
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Could you provide a link to “The Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita”
 
Wish I could but this website wont let me post links.

I’m sure you can find some useful information with a quick search. The source I know for certain has the full text in English is the Appendix of Dr. Taylor Marshall’s book infiltration. 20 bucks on amazon for a hardcover 10 on kindle.

you can find the full text of the document on Wikipedia in ITALIAN (the original language it was printed in)…may be possible to use google translate.

google this: permanent instruction of the alta vendita pdf
the first three links may provide some good information.
 
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Note: This is the Full Italian Document (wikipedia) - Section 2 “Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita” using google translate

II. Permanent secret instruction given to members of the High Sale.
"After we have established ourselves in the body of action and the order begins to reign again in the most remote Sale runs to the one closest to the center, there is a thought that has always worried men who aspire to universal regeneration. Thought is that of the liberation of Italy, from which, in a given day, the liberation of the whole world, the fraternal Republic and the harmony of humanity must emerge. This thought has not yet been sufficiently understood by our brothers in France. that revolutionary Italy cannot but conspire in the shade, distribute a few stab wounds to cops or traitors; and meanwhile calmly endure the yoke of the events that take place beyond the mountains for Italy, but without Italy.

"This error was already fatal to us several times. We must not fight it with words; it would be propagate it: we must: kill it with deeds. And so, in the midst of the treatments that have the privilege of shaking the most vigorous spirits of our Sales, (1) there is one that we must never forget.

"The Papacy always exercised decisive action over the fate of Italy. With the arm, with the voice, with the pen, with the heart of its countless bishops, friars, nuns and faithful of all latitudes, the Papacy finds people everywhere ready to sacrifice , to martyrdom, to enthusiasm. Everywhere he wants to evoke it, he has friends who die and others who get undressed for his sake. It is an immense lever of which only some Popes have understood all the power. (And they still do not care they served only to a certain extent.) Today it is not a matter of reconstituting this temporarily weakened power in our service: our ultimate goal is that of Voltaire and the French Revolution: that is, the complete annihilation of Catholicism and even the Christian idea, which, if it remained standing above the ruins of Rome, would later perpetuate it, but in order to reach this goal more certainly and not prepare for ourselves disillusionments which prolong indefinitely or com they promise the success of the cause, we must not pay attention to these French braggarts, to these nebulous Germans, to these melancholy Brits who believe they can kill Catholicism now with an obscene song, now with a sophistry, now with a trivial sarcasm arrived smuggled like English cottons. Catholicism has a life that resists something else. He has seen more implacable and more terrible opponents; and the evil taste of blessing the grave of the angriest of them with his holy water has often been taken. So let our brothers in those countries let off steam with their intemperances of anti-Catholic zeal: let them make fun of our Madonnas and our apparent devotion. With this passport (of hypocrisy), we can conspire with all our convenience and gradually reach our goal.
 
"Therefore the Papacy has been inherent to our Italy for seventeen hundred years. Italy cannot breathe, nor move without the permission of the Supreme Shepherd. With him, she has the hundred arms of Briareo; without him, she is condemned to a compassionate impotence, to divisions, to hatreds, to hostility from the first chain of the Alps to the last ring of the Apennines. We cannot want such a state of affairs: we must seek a remedy for this situation. Well, the remedy is found. Pope, whoever he is, will never come to secret societies; it is up to secret societies to take the first step towards the Church and the Pope, with the aim of winning both of them.

"The work to which we are preparing is not the work of a day, nor of a month, nor of a year. It can last many years, perhaps a century: but in our ranks the soldier dies and the war continues.

"We do not intend to win the Pope to our cause, nor to make him a neophyte of our principles, or a propagator of our ideas. This would be a ridiculous dream; and in any way they are to turn the events, even if it happens that some Cardinal or some Prelate, of his own good will or out of danger, entered part of our secrets, this would not be a reason to desire his elevation to the See of Peter. This elevation would indeed be our ruin. For, since he would have been led to apostasy by ambition alone, so the need for power would necessarily lead him to sacrifice himself. What we must seek and wait, as the Jews expect the Messiah, was a Pope according to our needs. Alexander VI with all his vices private would not agree, since he never erred in religious matters. A Clement XIV, on the other hand, would be our case from head to toe. Borgia was a libertine, a ve sensual ro of the XVIII century misled in the XV century. He was excommunicated, despite his vices, he was excommunicated from philosophy and disbelief because of the vigor with which he defended the Church. Ganganelli, on the other hand, stood with his hands and feet tied in the arms of the Bourbon ministers who frightened him, and the unbelievers who praised his tolerance, and for this Ganganelli became a great Pope. In our present conditions we would need such a Pope, if it were possible. With this alone we will go more surely to the assault of the Church, than with the pamphlets of our brothers in France and with the gold of England. And do you want to know why? Because, with this alone, to instruct the rock on which God built his Church, we no longer need Hannibal’s vinegar, cannon powder or even our arms. We have the little finger of the successor of Peter engaged in the plot, and this little finger applies to this crusade all Urbani II and all S. Bernardi of Christianity.
 
"We do not doubt the point of reaching this supreme end of our efforts. But when? And how? The unknown is not yet seen. Nevertheless, since nothing has to move us from the plan outlined, which on the contrary everything must contribute to it, as if success were to crown the work just outlined tomorrow, in this instruction, which we must keep hidden from the simple initiates, we want to give the Supreme Sales officers some advice which they should inculcate to all the brothers in the form of teaching or memorandum. It is above all important, not that required by the most basic discretion, that you never let anyone know that these councils are orders issued by the Sale. The clergy is too directly involved in it; nor is it lawful to them moonlight, joke with it him as we do with these rulers or princes who hunt themselves away with a breath.

"There is little to do with the old Cardinals and with the Prelates of a decisive character. We must leave these incorrigible of the Consalvi school, and instead look for the weapons in our warehouses of popularity or unpopularity that will make power in the their hands. A well-invented word, which spreads with art in certain good Christian families, immediately passes from coffee to the square; a word can sometimes kill a man. If a prelate arrives from Rome in the province to exercise some public employment, one must immediately inquire about his character, his precedents, his qualities, his defects: especially his defects. Is he our enemy? An Albani, a Pallotta, a Bernetti, a Della Genga, a Rivarola? Immediately envelop him in all the networks that you can. Make him a reputation that frightens boys and women: paint him cruel and bloodthirsty: tell some atrocious little boy who easily impresses himself in the minds of the people. Foreign newspapers will then learn from us these facts which they will know how to embellish and color in turn, for the respect that is due to the truth, show, or have some respectable imbecile show, the number of the newspaper where the names are referred and facts of said characters. Like France and England, Italy will never fail in pens that can tell lies that are useful for the good cause. With a newspaper whose language he does not understand, but in which he will see the name of his delegate or judge, the people will not need any more proof. The people here among us are in the infancy of Liberalism. He now believes in the Liberals, as he will later believe we don’t know what else.
 
"Crush the enemy whatever he is, when he is powerful, by means of slander and slander; but above all, crush him when he is still in the egg. To youth we must aim: we must seduce the young: it is necessary that we attract the youth without notice it, under the banner of secret societies. In order to advance, with counted but sure steps, in this dangerous way, two things are absolutely necessary for you. You must have the air of being as simple as doves, but together you must be as prudent as snakes. Your parents, your children, your own wives will always have to ignore the secret that you carry in your bosom. And if you like, to better deceive the scrutinizing eyes, to go there to confess often, you are authorized to keep , even with the confessor, the most absolute silence on these matters. You well know that the least revelation, that the smallest clue escaped you in the Tribunal of penance or elsewhere can lead us to great magnet; and that the voluntary or involuntary revelator signs, with this same, his death sentence.

"Now, therefore, to secure a Pope according to our heart, it is first of all a matter of forming, to this Pope, a generation worthy of the kingdom we desire. Leave the old and the mature men aside; go, instead, straight to youth, and, if possible, even to childhood. Never talk to young people about obscene and unholy things. Maxima debetur puero reverentia. Never forget these words of the poet, since they will serve as a safeguard against any license, from which it is absolutely professions to abstain in the interest of the cause. To make our cause flourish and bear fruit in families, to have the right of asylum and hospitality at the home, you must present yourself with all the appearances of the grave and moral man. once your reputation is established in colleges, gymnasiums, universities and seminars: once you have won the confidence of the teachers and young people, make sure that especially those who en in the clerical militia they seek your conversation. Nude their spirit of the ancient splendor of papal Rome. There is always in the heart of every Italian a desire for the republican form. Deftly confuse these two memories: excited, warm these so flammable natures to the idea of patriotic pride. Begin by offering them, but always in secret, innocent books, warm poems of national emphasis: gradually you will lead your disciples to the desired degree of fermentation. When on all points of the ecclesiastical state this everyday work has spread our ideas like light, then you will be able to realize how wise the council is, of which we now take the initiative.
 
"The events, which, in our opinion, rush too much, (2) will necessarily call, in a few months, an armed intervention by Austria. There are madmen who amuse themselves by cheerfully throwing others in the midst of dangers: but in the meantime these madmen, at a given moment, drag the wise men with them as well. The revolution that is being prepared in Italy will only produce misfortunes and proscriptions. Nothing is ripe: neither men, nor things: and nothing will be ripe for a long time yet. But with these futures misfortunes you can easily vibrate a new rope in the heart of the young clergy. This rope will be hatred to the foreigner. Let the German become ridiculous and hateful even before his expected intervention. With the idea of papal supremacy always mix the memory of the wars of the Priesthood and the Empire. Raise the badly dormant passions of the Guelphs and the Ghibellines: and so, little by little, you will make, with little expense, a reputation as a good Catholic and a good patriot.

"This reputation as a good Catholic and a good patriot will open the hearts of the young clergy and convents to our doctrines. In a few years this young clergy will have invaded all offices by force of things. He will govern, administer, judge , will form the council of the sovereign, and will be called to elect the future Pope. This Pope, like most of his contemporaries, will necessarily be more or less imbued, too, with the Italian and humanitarian principles that we are now beginning to put into circulation It is a small mustard seed which we confide in the earth, but the sun of righteousness will develop it to the highest power, and you will one day see what rich crops this little seed will produce.

"In the way that we trace to our brothers, there are great obstacles to overcome and difficulties of various kinds to overcome. It will triumph with experience and sagacity. The goal is so beautiful that it is worth the effort to explain all the sails to the wind. Do you want to revolutionize Italy? Look for the Pope whose portrait we have made. Do you want to establish the kingdom of the elect on the throne of the prostitute of Babylon? Let the Clergy walk under your banner, believing you are walking under the flag of the Apostolic Keys. Do you want to make the last vestige of tyrants and oppressors disappear? Stretch your nets like Simone Barjona: stretch them to the bottom of the sacristies, seminaries and convents, rather than to the bottom of the sea; and if you do not precipitate anything , we promise you a more miraculous catch than his. The fish fisherman became a fisherman of men: you will fish for friends and lead them to the feet of the Apostolic Chair. fished a revolution in tiara and cape, preceded by the cross and the banner; a revolution that will need little help to set fire to the four corners of the world.
 
"Every act of our life therefore tends to discover this philosopher’s stone. The alchemists of the Middle Ages wasted time and money in the search for this dream. The dream of secret societies will be fulfilled for this very simple reason that it is based on man’s passions Therefore, let us not be discouraged because of a failure, or a backhand, or a defeat: we prepare our weapons in the silence of the Sales: we aim all our batteries, we blow in all the passions, in the worst as in the most generous: and all there it leads us to believe that this plan will one day succeed, even beyond our most improbable calculations ".

I really hope I don’t get flagged on this website for this.

Catholic Answers - Just know I’m posting this for the whole community on here. This is the Alta Vendita, the Mason’s attempt to subvert the Catholic Church.

Hope it helps yall.
 
I thought Alta Vendita was sort of a Masonic version of the Protocols of the Elder Zion. Are you sure it should be posted here?
 
I don’t know what that is. (elders of zion thing)

Edit*: no it is nothing like that.

But If even a small amount of Catholic’s learn about this malicious cult and their true motives that’s good enough for me.
 
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