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Everything I have read says that it is a text used by sedevacantists and other dissidents to attack Vatican II and so forth. It seems like an unreliable conspiratorial tract to me, much like the Protocols.
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ColoradoCatholic
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Well, I’m not a Sedavacantist, and I’m also not a hardcore trad. I’m just someone who knows that the Masons are condemned by no less than 13 different popes 26 different times because of the very issue that I’m talking about.
The funny thing is that the only reason I know this is because I started doing pretty in-depth research into the Catholic Church as part of a “personal revert” back to my faith. The other thing I’ll say (and I fully accept Vatican II, the popes, etc.) is that there is no coincidence that people have been falling away from the Catholic faith since Vatican II and more importantly our Church’s stance on education to the Laity is very poor. Just look at the recent pew surveys of how many people believe that Jesus is there in the Eucharist. Its truly appalling.
Knowledge is power, and even more important it’s the answer to today’s problems in the Catholic Church. The more educated people are, the more people will start coming back to the One True Church.
Back to the Topic: this idea, which is not simply a “conspiracy theory” it is a well known FACT that has been lost due to the poor education of the laity. Again…13 different popes…26 different times, warning excommunication for even being a member? why the severity of this claim? because it is true that the Masons are active in there attempts to infiltrate and change the Church. plain and simple.
Will they succeed? no they wont…because we have God on our side. But that doesn’t mean the potential for souls is not always an ever present danger to those who do not know these things.
The funny thing is that the only reason I know this is because I started doing pretty in-depth research into the Catholic Church as part of a “personal revert” back to my faith. The other thing I’ll say (and I fully accept Vatican II, the popes, etc.) is that there is no coincidence that people have been falling away from the Catholic faith since Vatican II and more importantly our Church’s stance on education to the Laity is very poor. Just look at the recent pew surveys of how many people believe that Jesus is there in the Eucharist. Its truly appalling.
Knowledge is power, and even more important it’s the answer to today’s problems in the Catholic Church. The more educated people are, the more people will start coming back to the One True Church.
Back to the Topic: this idea, which is not simply a “conspiracy theory” it is a well known FACT that has been lost due to the poor education of the laity. Again…13 different popes…26 different times, warning excommunication for even being a member? why the severity of this claim? because it is true that the Masons are active in there attempts to infiltrate and change the Church. plain and simple.
Will they succeed? no they wont…because we have God on our side. But that doesn’t mean the potential for souls is not always an ever present danger to those who do not know these things.
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Elias
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1.Because they are human and don’t know any better.How is it that some Catholic priests are part of it?
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- They are apart of the problem. Like the communists and alphabet people that have infiltrated the church, hellbent on undermining Jesus’ Church from the inside out.
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TMC
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These seems internally inconsistent to me. I think we have very different views on these issues. I think readers should know, though, that this document is viewed with some suspicion by many people.The other thing I’ll say (and I fully accept Vatican II, the popes, etc.) is that there is no coincidence that people have been falling away from the Catholic faith since Vatican II and more importantly our Church’s stance on education to the Laity is very poor.
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ColoradoCatholic
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What is internally inconsistent? (not firing back, just would like some clarification)
and what is your different view?
and what is your different view?
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Inbonum
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Pour it with blessed water first and after that burn it. Occult, esoteric and simmilar things won’t burn if you don’t put a blessed/exorcised water or salt on them.
And God bless you!
And God bless you!
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Margaret_Ann
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Google it and you’ll find it online.
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TMC
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With respect, it seems inconsistent to say that you accept Vatican II and the Popes, while simultaneous suggesting that Vatican II is responsible for a falling away from the faith.What is internally inconsistent? (not firing back, just would like some clarification)
and what is your different view?
I also have a very different view of the issues that exist between Masons and the Church, and the impact of Masonic participation on people. In short, I simply don’t believe that Masons are all Satanists, or even bad people.
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ColoradoCatholic
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On the first point I would say that is just what happened. You can still accept Vatican II and acknowledge that since then church attendance has plummeted. With that being said, its is entirely possible that this is not the only issue with why attendance has dropped (which I also agree with).
This is a recent poll that shows the drop in attendance: Catholics' Church Attendance Resumes Downward Slide
On the second point, and I already stated this previously, I agree with you, the “lower level” members of the Masons have no idea what the overall goals of the Mason’s are. But I would say that the main reason they are Mason’s (at least those who are Catholic) is because they have no idea what their own faith teaches on the issue.
This is a video of a speech by John Salza, a former 32nd Degree Mason (pretty highly ranked). He was a cradle Catholic and joined because he too had no idea what the Catholic Church taught. Since his renunciation of his ties to the cult he is now vehemently opposed to the Mason’s and publicly speaks out about their errors. He also writes books on the issue some of which which I have read.
This is a recent poll that shows the drop in attendance: Catholics' Church Attendance Resumes Downward Slide
On the second point, and I already stated this previously, I agree with you, the “lower level” members of the Masons have no idea what the overall goals of the Mason’s are. But I would say that the main reason they are Mason’s (at least those who are Catholic) is because they have no idea what their own faith teaches on the issue.
This is a video of a speech by John Salza, a former 32nd Degree Mason (pretty highly ranked). He was a cradle Catholic and joined because he too had no idea what the Catholic Church taught. Since his renunciation of his ties to the cult he is now vehemently opposed to the Mason’s and publicly speaks out about their errors. He also writes books on the issue some of which which I have read.
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esieffe
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Since it was bought at a thrift store or antique shop, it isn’t generational to the family. For that reason, I would just pitch it into the trash. Unless you have an outdoor fire pit or chimnea if you put it aside for a future fire, it will most likely sit indefinitely right where it is now. I would have no qualms about burning something with masonic signs all over it.
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Swiftdove
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They were declared a crafty enemy of the church.
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