Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 14 People Dead

[eternalrest]

Yes, this is scary. Loved the first Dark Night movie and was wondering whether or not to see this movie due to the conflict between the movie’s violence and Catholicism. Can safely say that there has been a dramatic example of why violence is considered problematic in movies. The gunman was almost certainly imitating the violence of the first movie and recreating it in real life.

 

[JustaServant]

This old article from 2008 seems strangly prophetic:

telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/2461820/Our-attitude-to-violence-is-beyond-a-joke-as-new-Batman-film-The-Dark-Knight-shows.html

 

[garn9173]

Yes, this is scary. Loved the first Dark Night movie and was wondering whether or not to see this movie due to the conflict between the movie’s violence and Catholicism. Can safely say that there has been a dramatic example of why violence is considered problematic in movies. The gunman was almost certainly imitating the violence of the first movie and recreating it in real life.

I highly doubt it. The gunman’s only run in with police prior to this morning was a 2011 traffic ticket.

 

[PatriceA]

I just heard that! What the heck is WRONG with people, taking a BABY out at midnight to a violent, LOUD movie!



As for people being allowed to take their guns into a theater…The conditions are not good for returning fire. You can’t see, you might shoot an innocent person by accident. Few people, even fairly good range marksmen, have the kind of experience it would take to be able to figure this situation out and try to take down the shooter. It would really take a military sniper or a SWAT member. Maybe if the shooter got close enough to where someone could really see…

I agree that licensed concealed handgun carriers should be able to take their weapons into most places of business but in this case, I can’t see that anyone would have been able to help…And the gunman was wearing Kevlar, which makes it even more difficult. Not impossible, just more difficult.

I understand the point you made earlier about the six year old being at a midnight showing…but at 3 months, our daughter slept through anything and everything. Even took her to live fire exercises when hubby was in the military and that was extremely loud. At three months, if I was going stark crazy at home and I knew my daughter would have slept through a loud movie at midnight, we probably would have gone just to get a night out.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Am shocked at how ABC tried to make a tragedy in to a political agenda, they tried to link suspect John Holmes as being a member of the Tea Party with out information to confirm that claim

 

[JustaServant]

Am shocked at how ABC tried to make a tragedy in to a political agenda, they tried to link suspect John Holmes as being a member of the Tea Party with out information to confirm that claim

Yeah, I heard that.
They said :we don’t know if its the SAME John Holmes".
In the old days, a person could get fired for putting that on the air.

 

[rlg94086]

Am shocked at how ABC tried to make a tragedy in to a political agenda, they tried to link suspect John Holmes as being a member of the Tea Party with out information to confirm that claim

Not shocked. I’m sure the first thing they checked was for Tea Party affiliation. It’s probably standard procedure any time there is a shooting.

 

[eternalrest]

I highly doubt it. The gunman’s only run in with police prior to this morning was a 2011 traffic ticket.

Doesn’t matter. This was no coincidence: Why didn’t he choose a different movie? There are different sorts of killers - those that are premeditated and those that are impulsive. A premeditated murderer wouldn’t necessarily have gotten into trouble with the law before.

Before Columbine:

As far as anyone knew there had only been one incident of criminal behavior in the past. In March the previous year, the boys had been arrested on felony charges of criminal trespass and theft for breaking into a car and stealing some tools. Klebold and Harris had made such a good impression on the juvenile officers involved in the case that they were offered to have their records cleared if they promised to stay out of trouble and participate in a diversionary program. Harris was required to attend anger management classes. Again, he had made a good impression on authorities.

trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/littleton/blame_5.html

Usually, these people are extremely angry. Was just reading a story about someone with AIDS who enjoyed sleeping with men and giving them AIDS so he could feel “powerful.” He didn’t get in trouble with the law in other ways.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

I understand the point you made earlier about the six year old being at a midnight showing…but at 3 months, our daughter slept through anything and everything. Even took her to live fire exercises when hubby was in the military and that was extremely loud. At three months, if I was going stark crazy at home and I knew my daughter would have slept through a loud movie at midnight, we probably would have gone just to get a night out.

No babysitter?? Egads. I would have never considered going to a movie with my infant.

 

[jediliz]

Am shocked at how ABC tried to make a tragedy in to a political agenda, they tried to link suspect John Holmes as being a member of the Tea Party with out information to confirm that claim

ABC is a liberal news channel…do you think they are going to blame anyone else but the right? According to Michelle Malkin, some are saying that Glenn Beck and Hannity and Limbaugh material were found in the gunman’s home.

And I’m not a gun hating liberal (Far from it!) but I don’t see how a concealed weapon law would have prevented this tragedy. I would not feel comfortable going to a movie knowing someone could have a GUN in their possession!

 

[eternalrest]

Not shocked. I’m sure the first thing they checked was for Tea Party affiliation. It’s probably standard procedure any time there is a shooting.

They are doing the same thing that Michelle Malkin, a big Tea Party supporter, did with regards to Trayvon Martin. She posted a fake picture of Trayvon Martin that first originated on the Stormfront website until she had to apologize because it was the wrong guy. The difference here is that CNN says they don’t know if its the “same” Jim Holmes, while she presented her fake picture as a way to get back at “media bias” and didn’t even consider that she might possibly be wrong until receiving extreme backlash!

ABC News has suggested that James Holmes – the suspect in today’s shooting in Aurora, Colorado – may have a connection to the Tea Party.

ABC’s Brian Ross reported this morning that there is “a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea party site… talking about him joining the Tea Party last year.”

“Now, we don’t know if this is the same Jim Holmes,” Ross cautioned “but it’s Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado.”

ABC News is the only network or cable news channel to suggest a possible Tea Party connection, according to a survey of the TV Eyes database at 9:30 a.m. ET, though they did not verify that the two individuals were one and the same.

The report has already set off alarm bells on the right. At Brietbart.com, the conservative news site, Joel Pollak has accused ABC News of “scapegoating.”

“How interesting that Ross and ABC News should think to look to the Tea Party website first–and to broadcast politically volatile information without verifying if that ‘Jim Holmes’ is the same as the suspect,” Pollak writes. “Look for more scapegoating from the mainstream media and the Democrats in the hours and days to follow.”

I have reached out to ABC News for comment on its report, and will update here if and when I hear back.

So why should Michelle Malkin complain when she did worse, unapologetically, with the deliberate intention to get back at the “liberal media”? Or is she no longer a member of the media?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Not shocked. I’m sure the first thing they checked was for Tea Party affiliation. It’s probably standard procedure any time there is a shooting.

Don’t you remember when they tried to do that to the shooter in the case of Rep. Gabby Gifford, in Arizona? They eventually discovered that the guy was a rampant LEFTIST.

Oooops.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

ABC is a liberal news channel…do you think they are going to blame anyone else but the right? According to Michelle Malkin, some are saying that Glenn Beck and Hannity and Limbaugh material were found in the gunman’s home.

And I’m not a gun hating liberal (Far from it!) but I don’t see how a concealed weapon law would have prevented this tragedy. I would not feel comfortable going to a movie knowing someone could have a GUN in their possession!

Violent criminals are looking for easy targets.

Witness the Columbine massacre, or the Virginia Tech shootings.

If a few of the audience would have had the opportunity to shoot back, this tragedy would be far less worse.

 

[eternalrest]

Violent criminals are looking for easy targets.

Witness the Columbine massacre, or the Virginia Tech shootings.

If a few of the audience would have had the opportunity to shoot back, this tragedy would be far less worse.

Violent criminals are generally suicidal and filled with anger, which is why they don’t care whether or not the police kills them. A few of the audience shooting back leaves more not less people dead. Both Columbine and Virginia Tech were men with mental illnesses.

Countries such as the Netherlands, Norway, Japan, Germany, and the U.K. have far fewer homicides in their culture than we do. We have pretty much 400% or more the homicides than they do. We need to figure out why. We have the highest level of homicides of any developed country, period.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Violent criminals are generally suicidal and filled with anger, which is why they don’t care whether or not the police kills them. A few of the audience shooting back leaves more not less people dead. Both Columbine and Virginia Tech were “men” with mental illnesses.

And if there was someone around to return fire, the criminal would be dead and less innocent victims.

 

[eternalrest]

And if there was someone around to return fire, the criminal would be dead and less innocent victims.

Like George Zimmerman? Violent criminals are people too with lives, girlfriends, childhoods, etc. Person could take out fully innocent people, or people who they think to deserve to die even though they are innocent, or hurt people just by accident. One boy in my childhood lost his eye because his brother was horsing around and shot him in the eye with a bb-gun. In the end, there would be more innocent deaths, not fewer except if we were really in an anarchic state, and we are not there yet in most of America.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Like George Zimmerman? Violent criminals are people too with lives, girlfriends, etc. Person could take out fully innocent people, or people who they think to deserve to die even though they are innocent, or hurt people just by accident. One boy in my childhood lost his eye because his brother was horsing around and shot him in the eye.

So what? It has nothing to do with the established fact that concealed carry gun owners save lives. Pointing out a juvenille who makes a stupid mistake has no bearing on that. And apparently, you think that concealed carry owners are just psychos waiting to happen, shining a light on your statist bias.

 

[eternalrest]

So what? It has nothing to do with the established fact that concealed carry gun owners save lives. Pointing out a juvenille who makes a stupid mistake has no bearing on that.

Prove that so-called fact. Notice you didn’t comment on George Zimmerman, doing exactly what you are suggesting, being a pseudo-cop.

 

[_Abyssinia]

ABC is a liberal news channel…do you think they are going to blame anyone else but the right? According to Michelle Malkin, some are saying that Glenn Beck and Hannity and Limbaugh material were found in the gunman’s home.

And I’m not a gun hating liberal (Far from it!) but I don’t see how a concealed weapon law would have prevented this tragedy. I would not feel comfortable going to a movie knowing someone could have a GUN in their possession!

Where is Malkin saying that?

 

[eternalrest]

And apparently, you think that concealed carry owners are just psychos waiting to happen, shining a light on your statist bias.

“Statist” bias. Me thinks you are putting politics where it doesn’t belong.

It is just a fact that America is the developed country with the most homicides in the world. Other developed countries don’t have this problem: U.K., Japan, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, Malta. Calling someone “statist” doesn’t change the facts.