Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 14 People Dead

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And that seems like it would be a very unbiased website. :rolleyes:

Their so-called “study” has no credible names attached to it (like a professor of criminology or even statistics), and they provide no data to back up their claims. They make claims about what people say using exact percentages without any justification where they got those numbers from (they could have pulled them out of thin air for all we know).

This is a paper that would have gotten an F in a 1st year university class. I wouldn’t even call that a study at all; it proves absolutely nothing. Your papers are only as good as the data that backs them up, that’s real science.

Show us a real study done by a professor in criminology from a major Canadian University, not some advocacy group PR propaganda.
As the studies are being done to please you (and you not paying for the studies !!!), Americans are killing each other. No problem, no?
 
I sometimes wonder what kind of American Values are referred to: violence against each other ? Cow-boy attitude? Justice at Far-West style with one’s own hands? Each person may hold guns, whatever definition the word “gun” has, for instance a gun-boat, a machine-gun, as we discuss the fine details?

What are those values that demand American Carnage on their Cities like Chicago?

And what are those values that cannot be changed? America changed from slavery and apartheid and it was a much more violent changed ! But changed ! And it was a notable change !!!
 
The question remains though, why is gun crime and homicides from gun crime so high in the US? For example you are 40 times more likely to be a victim of gun crime in the US
(12,000 deaths last year) compared with the UK (68 deaths) and the general homicide rate is the highest in the western world. Is it that the US is a more violent society and would be even more violent if gun control was in place?
 
Thanks. I’ll read it in detail later, but I fast forwarded to the conclusion:

“The system of gun control in Canada works because it affirms, symbolically, the deeply held values of orderliness and non-violence. Thus, before attempting to transplant the Canadian system to America, it is important to consider whether the Canadian system can accommodate traditional American values as adequately as it accommodates Canadian ones. Since there is little empirical evidence to demonstrate that Canadian gun control laws actually reduce crime, the law’s greatest benefit appears to be symbolic. It is difficult to determine whether, and to what extent, American values and culture can yield to embrace the characteristic benefits derived from Canadian-style gun control.”

So, their gun control laws work for them…despite any empirical evidence to demonstrate that. 😛
I’ll summarize.

Gun control works because we say so.
 
You do not need to go to Harvard to realize that this is wrong. The fellow is American and is juggling with statistics so that they look better for America.
If I eat 2 hamburgers and you ate none, on average we ate 1 hamburger each.
We see him twisting the figures … but no patience to untangle them…
Really? The Research Director for the Canadian Shooting Sports Association is an American? Well, a North American, so yes… 😛

I didn’t go to Harvard, so I guess I didn’t assume the gentleman wasn’t Canadian.
 
The question remains though, why is gun crime and homicides from gun crime so high in the US? For example you are 40 times more likely to be a victim of gun crime in the US
(12,000 deaths last year) compared with the UK (68 deaths) and the general homicide rate is the highest in the western world. Is it that the US is a more violent society and would be even more violent if gun control was in place?
What is the difference between the number of murders per year per population count between countries would be a better measure of the efficacy of gun control laws. If gun control hampers gun crimes, does it hamper murder / crime or do outlaws simply find another weapon of choice. Wikipedia shows it as 4 to 1 for USA to UK in 2010. Still not a very pretty picture for the USA.
 
What is the difference between the number of murders per year per population count between countries would be a better measure of the efficacy of gun control laws. If gun control hampers gun crimes, does it hamper murder / crime or do outlaws simply find another weapon of choice.
US muder rate is 4.8 per 100,000.

Mexico murder rate is 15 per 100,000.

Canadian murder rate is 1.81 per 100,000

Both Mexico and Canada have more stringent gun control laws than the US - of the three Mexico has by far the most stringent.
 
US muder rate is 4.8 per 100,000.

Mexico murder rate is 15 per 100,000.

Canadian murder rate is 1.81 per 100,000

Both Mexico and Canada have more stringent gun control laws than the US - of the three Mexico has by far the most stringent.
I think the general rule in Mexico is only the military, police, and criminals can have guns. Everyone else is a victim of some sort.
 
I was being hyperbolic.

Everyone here is angry that the rest of the world likes to tell America what to do with their guns. All I meant was that the rest of the world wouldn’t care so much if Americans weren’t so paranoid about “possible future tyrannical governments that probably won’t happen”, especially in the 21st century.
How many modern “western” nations were taken over by tyrannical governments in the 20th century? Pretty all the nations in Europe except England, Switzerland and Norway. Many of the “modernized” nations and most of the backward nations of Africa, A few in Central America, a few in South America, several in SE Asia and much of Eastern Asia.

Why is it it paranoid to think what has happened to much of the world will happen to North America?
 
Almost all violent vigilante groups, i.e. the KKK, the Black Panther Party have started because citizens were convinced of perceived police inadequacies. What’s the result? They take out their favored killers, sometimes make mistakes, and intensify the anger of other potential vigilantes, leading to a war zone.
Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store
Police say the suspect purchased a knife inside the store and then turned it into a weapon. Smith’s employee Dorothy Espinoza says, “He pulled it out and stood outside the Smiths in the foyer. And just started stabbing people and yelling you killed my people. You killed my people.”
Then, before the suspect could find another victim - a citizen with a gun stopped the madness. “A guy pulled gun on him and told him to drop his weapon or he would shoot him. So, he dropped his weapon and the people from Smith’s grabbed him.”
By the time officers arrived the suspect had been subdued by employees and shoppers. Police had high praise for gun carrying man who ended the hysteria. Lt. Brian Purvis said, “This was a volatile situation that could have gotten worse. We can only assume from what we saw it could have gotten worse. He was definitely in the right place at the right time.”
Happy ending.
 
Happy ending.
In a life-threatening situation when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. You mean the concealed carry citizen didn’t make like the OK Coral and “pump him fulla lead”? I thought that is what people who love guns do, they just walk around with an itchy trigger finger waiting to blow someone’s head off.
 
In a life-threatening situation when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. You mean the concealed carry citizen didn’t make like the OK Coral and “pump him fulla lead”?
I wouldn’t hold that against him, maybe next time.
 
I wouldn’t hold that against him, maybe next time.
I swear, I think some of the more virulent anti-gun posters here see us law-abiding and peaceful concealed carry owners like this:

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Even in Soviet times, it was possible to own hunting arms legally.
 
I would agree with that, for the most part. I’m okay with some limitations, but the UK is too strict. Regarding the other posts, people overseas do have a funny assumption about Americans and guns. When I lived/worked in the UK, there was a segment on TV showing people shooting automatic weapons for fun, and I had some interesting conversations with my co-workers the next day. They seemed to assume that every American walks around armed and dangerous. Many of us don’t own guns.
 
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