Mass Shooting at Colo. Movie Theater, 14 People Dead

[maryjk]

Don’t like…

Actually, the topic is the Aurora theater shootings.

Well the poll was about gun control and increasing it after the shootings.

But somehow we got onto the War of 1812 and who won.

 

[curlycool89]

Actually, Great Britain forcing US citizens to serve in their navy is what started the war.

Plus all the other Intolerable Acts (Quebec Act, Stamp Act, etc). Like with most history, it was a combination of factors.

Also, if you’re going to quote United States history ( you notice I didn’t say American history because I know that upsets some Canadians) you should try to get it right. Our national anthem is based on the battle of Fort Mc Henry that occurred during the Chesapeake invasion which is when Washington D.C. was burned. You are confusing it with the battle of New Orleans which was indeed after the treaty was signed.

My apologies, I thought it was New Orleans.

My there sure are a lot of Canadians trying to get our guns on this thread. I SMELL AN INVASION!!!

We admit nothing!

Before there were guns, there were free people too. Or did freedom start with gunpowder in the Middle Ages ?

And what about Jesus? He never owned a gun either. He even told Peter to put away his sword.

Most of the civilizations who had the most freedom also had the least government.

You’re confusing us. Is it guns or less government? They’re mutually exclusive ideas.

Americans don’t like to admit that they lost. When you start a war of aggression and don’t gain anything, that’s the definition of a loss. The famous quote was that conquering Canada would be a “mere matter of marching”, and that was utterly disproven.

After further reflection, I’ve deduced that the US lost, because we ended up keeping Detroit.

Well, not even the British Empire wanted that.

Gentlemen, the topic is Gun Control.

Ohhh, but we want to discuss the implications of old wars on pre-Confederation Canada and relations between early America and pre-Victorian Britain!

 

[scipio337]

…And what about Jesus? He never owned a gun either. He even told Peter to put away his sword…

But also note, he did not tell Peter to not carry his sword.

He even instructs the apostles to buy one.
Luke 22:35-38:

He said to them, “When I sent you forth without a money bag or a sack or sandals, were you in need of anything?” “No, nothing,” they replied.

He said to them,* “But now one who has a money bag should take it, and likewise a sack, and one who does not have a sword should sell his cloak and buy one.

For I tell you that this scripture must be fulfilled in me, namely, ‘He was counted among the wicked’; and indeed what is written about me is coming to fulfillment.”

Then they said, “Lord, look, there are two swords here.” But he replied, “It is enough!”*

usccb.org/bible/luke/22

In the context of that passage, Christ is preparing the Apostles for their earthly ministry, as the NAB commentary points out:

In contrast to the ministry of the Twelve and of the seventy-two during the period of Jesus (Lk 9:3; 10:4), in the future period of the church the missionaries must be prepared for the opposition they will face in a world hostile to their preaching.

2 swords among 12 isn’t a prohibition. Christ didn’t want the Apostles to go undefended.

 

[scipio337]

Update:

Per Fox news (I know) the gunman may have sent a notebook detailing his plans to a University of Colorado psychiatrist.

Per the source, it was recently discovered, but had been sitting in the mail room since July 12th.

foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/exclusive-movie-massacre-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/

 

[He_Man]

My there sure are a lot of Canadians trying to get our guns on this thread. I SMELL AN INVASION!!!

That’s just their bacon.

 

[FromTheAshes777]

Update:

Per Fox news (I know) the gunman may have sent a notebook detailing his plans to a University of Colorado psychiatrist.

Per the source, it was recently discovered, but had been sitting in the mail room since July 12th.

foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/exclusive-movie-massacre-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/

gosh …that makes me ill…if only someone had opened that package earlier.

 

[curlycool89]

2 swords among 12 isn’t a prohibition. Christ didn’t want the Apostles to go undefended.

And yet they still allowed themselves to be martyred. They did not defend themselves.

As you can see, their actions speak louder.

Update:

Per Fox news (I know) the gunman may have sent a notebook detailing his plans to a University of Colorado psychiatrist.

Per the source, it was recently discovered, but had been sitting in the mail room since July 12th.

foxnews.com/us/2012/07/25/exclusive-movie-massacre-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/

Ah, university bureaucracy. There’s no bigger bureaucracy out there.

 

[pete_29]

No. The Americans tried to invade Canada to seize it. The British defeated them and sent them running back home. Britain’s main concern was fighting Napoleon. The had no intention of reconquering America.

How many wars did America lose? So, so many that even studying all our defeats might be considered an obssession???

That was one offensive. One offensive does not make a war. We may not have won the war, but then again we didn’t lose it by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

That was one offensive. One offensive does not make a war. We may not have won the war, but then again we didn’t lose it by any stretch of the imagination.

And what do they call it when you don’t win a war…and yet don’t loose it either.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

That was one offensive. One offensive does not make a war. We may not have won the war, but then again we didn’t lose it by any stretch of the imagination.

The Americans made several attempts to conquer and annex Canada. Each time, they got a British knock on the head and a boot in the arse as they turned and ran home. Besides, the British with impunity burned the White House. I’d say that failed invasions amount to losing the war when one considers that the aim of the invasions was to make Canada part of the U.S.

Canada emerged from the war with a heightened sense of national feeling and solidarity, having repelled multiple American invasions. Battles such as the Battle of Queenston Heights and the Battle of Crysler’s Farm became iconic for English-speaking Canadians. Sorry, no seegar!

 

[scipio337]

The Americans made several attempts to conquer and annex Canada. Each time, they got a British knock on the head and a boot in the arse as they turned and ran home. Besides, the British with impunity burned the White House. I’d say that failed invasions amount to losing the war when one considers that the aim of the invasions was to make Canada part of the U.S.

Canada emerged from the war with a heightened sense of national feeling and solidarity, having repelled multiple American invasions. Battles such as the Battle of Queenston Heights and the Battle of Crysler’s Farm became iconic for English-speaking Canadians. Sorry, no seegar!

By that same yardstick, the US, and UN allies “lost” the Korean war. The UN invasion of North Korea was repelled (with some help from the PRC). The US and allies did repel the N Korean invasion of S Korea, but the same can be said for 2 out of 3 British incursions into the US in 1814. The S. Korean Capital of Seoul was captured initially, but then re-captured (much like Washington D.C.).

Oh, and N. Korea emerged from the war with a heightened sense of national feeling and solidarity.

Result: treaty (or cease-fire) with little or no loss of territory.

Advantage, DPRK!

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

By that same yardstick, the US, and UN allies “lost” the Korean war. The UN invasion of North Korea was repelled (with some help from the PRC). The US and allies did repel the N Korean invasion of S Korea, but the same can be said for 2 out of 3 British incursions into the US in 1814. The S. Korean Capital of Seoul was captured initially, but then re-captured (much like Washington D.C.).

Oh, and N. Korea emerged from the war with a heightened sense of national feeling and solidarity.

Result: treaty (or cease-fire) with little or no loss of territory.

Advantage, DPRK!

A case can be made; sure.

 

[pete_29]

The Americans made several attempts to conquer and annex Canada. Each time, they got a British knock on the head and a boot in the arse as they turned and ran home. Besides, the British with impunity burned the White House. I’d say that failed invasions amount to losing the war when one considers that the aim of the invasions was to make Canada part of the U.S.

Canada emerged from the war with a heightened sense of national feeling and solidarity, having repelled multiple American invasions. Battles such as the Battle of Queenston Heights and the Battle of Crysler’s Farm became iconic for English-speaking Canadians. Sorry, no seegar!

You can have any opinion you want. it’s still not a fact the the US lost the War of 1812. Since it’s foolish to discuss history with someone who is seemingly only interested in argument. I will leave to your view of history. Be happy, Be well.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

You can have any opinion you want. it’s still not a fact the the US lost the War of 1812.

So can you, friend. If you want to believe that the U.S. won every battle in the War of 1812 and kicked Brit and Canuck butt left and right, you go right ahead and do so. You’re not alone. There are enough others on this thread who can’t bring themselves to admit that the U.S. could possibly lose a war or a battle. We won at Pearl Harbor, you know.

 

[estesbob]

You can have any opinion you want. it’s still not a fact the the US lost the War of 1812. Since it’s foolish to discuss history with someone who is seemingly only interested in argument. I will leave to your view of history. Be happy, Be well.

War of 1812:

youtube.com/watch?v=50_iRIcxsz0

 

[pete_29]

So can you, friend. If you want to believe that the U.S. won every battle in the War of 1812 and kicked Brit and Canuck butt left and right, you go right ahead and do so. You’re not alone. There are enough others on this thread who can’t bring themselves to admit that the U.S. could possibly lose a war or a battle. We won at Pearl Harbor, you know.

Very mature rebuttal. The only battle in which we kicked anyone’s butt in that war was after the war was over( Battle of New Orleans), but we didn’t actually get our butts kicked either. If we had, we would have become a British colony. I don’t understand. Is it guilt that make it impossible for you to accept that the War of 1812 was for all intents and purposes, a draw.

 

[pete_29]

War of 1812:

youtube.com/watch?v=50_iRIcxsz0

squirrel guns

Johnny Horton. One of my favorite artists. North to Alaska, Sink the Bismarck, GREAT

 

[GEddie]

I don’t know enough about 1812 to have an opinion, however, all of this reminds me of a remark about the life of Margaret Mitchell:

“She grew up surrounded by the legend of the War [between the States]; however, she was 12 years old before she understood that her side lost”.

ICXC NIKA

 

[pete_29]

The War of 1812 started over certain British policies toward American citizens, which, I believe ended after the peace treaty was signed. The United States wins. We invaded Canada and tried to annex it. We got beat. The United States loses. We won one part of the war but lost the other making it a draw. How can it be anything else? Apologies to everyone for dragging this thread so far off topic.

 

[curlycool89]

War of 1812:

youtube.com/watch?v=50_iRIcxsz0

Technically speaking, New Orleans was after the War of 1812 because it occurred *after *the treaty.

Very mature rebuttal. The only battle in which we kicked anyone’s butt in that war was after the war was over( Battle of New Orleans), but we didn’t actually get our butts kicked either. If we had, we would have become a British colony. I don’t understand. Is it guilt that make it impossible for you to accept that the War of 1812 was for all intents and purposes, a draw.

So what you’re saying is that attempting to annex an entire country and not gaining anything doesn’t count as getting your but kicked? You have to suspend quite a bit of logic to get to that.

The British did not take over the US because they weren’t interested. The US invaded Canada, not the other way around. Britain was concerned with protecting it’s territories (BNA) and did that extremely successfully, and did no more.

The War of 1812 started over certain British policies toward American citizens, which, I believe ended after the peace treaty was signed. The United States wins. We invaded Canada and tried to annex it. We got beat. The United States loses. We won one part of the war but lost the other making it a draw. How can it be anything else? Apologies to everyone for dragging this thread so far off topic.

Which part exactly did you win again?