Can you explain this further? I know you don’t mean to, but it sounds contradictory. How can a person be of the mind that he/she will never do something and also know that in his/her weakness he/she will fall again. It seems to me that this thinking is a no-win situation.Every time we leave confession we must be of the mind that we will never commit that sin again. Even if we fully know that in our weakness, maybe we will.
incidentally, judging people is not the same as being Judge… …You go girl…
Incidentally sanctimony is not equal to sanctity.
thanks…don’t have a lot of internet time but will try to do that…See post #266 for some of the reference. To the rest it, it comes from Theology of the body and interpretations by,Christopher West. I’m not sure if your familiar with his books, but they are Imprimatured. I don’t have any direct quoets right now but I could look them up. But if you read my post #275, please read post #278 in follow up. I think that is important.
You’ve not been married to a breast cancer survivor have you?a married couple owe it to each other to look after all their needs. good communication helps greatly. and doing research and learning and praying off course will satisfy all the difficult questions we are seeking answers for. the catholic life is both challanging and rewarding. and living this life without prayer makes it unduly difficult and more vulnerable to temptation. as an aside i once heard that intimate acts within marriage are blessings and the same acts outside of this union are not. my experience is Mother Church provides all the answers but sometimes we too have to humble ourselves and acknowledge our inability to go it alone.
a married couple owe it to each other to look after all their needs. good communication helps greatly. and doing research and learning and praying off course will satisfy all the difficult questions we are seeking answers for. the catholic life is both challanging and rewarding. and living this life without prayer makes it unduly difficult and more vulnerable to temptation. as an aside i once heard that intimate acts within marriage are blessings and the same acts outside of this union are not. my experience is Mother Church provides all the answers but sometimes we too have to humble ourselves and acknowledge our inability to go it alone.
The Doctor of the Church St. Alphonse Mary de Liguori teaches that the wife can stimulate herself before and during the conjugal act. He teaches also that, if the act ends without the wife’s orgasm, she can masturbate immediately after.Actually **It is **permissable to stimulate oneself. In the context of a licit conjucal act. In fact I’ve read reference that the wife is allowed to stimulate herself to orgasm if the husband cannot.
lol, the stipulations on sex are hilarious. What is this based on anyway? It certainly isn’t based on the Bible.The Doctor of the Church St. Alphonse Mary de Liguori teaches that the wife can stimulate herself before and during the conjugal act. He teaches also that, if the act ends without the wife’s orgasm, she can masturbate immediately after.
I’m really not sure how people could view this as being a sin for the man, but not for the woman. In either case masturbation is a mortal sin.Ok seems all this talk is about men having the need to masterbate. What if the husband is the one who can no longer “perform”, and HE wants his wife to masterbate? Is this a sin?
He writes that the orgasm is part of the conjugal act, so the wife has the right to have it.lol, the stipulations on sex are hilarious. What is this based on anyway? It certainly isn’t based on the Bible.
a lot of things aren’t… every truth known to God is not in the bible… that’s why we have the Church…lol, the stipulations on sex are hilarious. What is this based on anyway? It certainly isn’t based on the Bible.
you can love Jesus all you want… & still not get to Heaven… if your so called love for him is self-centered & not real… Jesus said that many will say to Him Lord, Lord, but will not enter the Kingdoml… Only those who do the will of God will enter the Kingdom of Heaven… and the will of God is to avoid sin like the plague… There are diseaes (plagues) of the boyd & there is the plague of the soul… sin…Masturbation is a sin, but only if you aren’t doing it during or directly after sex where you could not orgasm. But directly after only counts if you start within 1 minute of the sex ending. But then you can only masturbate for 7 minutes after you are done have sex, otherwise it becomes a sin again. Then the man can pleasure you, but only if you have sex again, and then you will be able to masturbate again, but not if you are thinking about impure thoughts, unless they are impure thoughts about your husband, but the husband must know about this, and if you are thinking impure thoughts about your husband, they are actually pure, and you can go and masturbate again, but only for the 7 minutes mentioned before, starting within 1 minute of being done with sex, but only if no orgasm was achieved…if an orgasm was achieved, but the woman wants to have another, it is a mortal sin and she will be guilty of mortal sin.
Anyway, do you guys see how stupid this is? This is pretty much what is going on in this thread. You guys are worse than the Jews that won’t use the phone on the sabbath because pressing buttons is considered work. Everyone on this board is WAY too scrupulous. There is no need to analyze every little thing you do and make yourself crazy wondering if it is a sin. Have good intentions, be a good person, love Jesus and your neighbor with the best of your ability, and that is all you have to worry about.
Many things about the moral of sexual life have not a biblical base. Usually the tradition is more severe than the Bible.It certainly isn’t based on the Bible.
No it is not “mortal sin”. It is “grave matter”.I’m really not sure how people could view this as being a sin for the man, but not for the woman. In either case masturbation is a mortal sin.
hellopeople, It is based on these.lol, the stipulations on sex are hilarious. What is this based on anyway? It certainly isn’t based on the Bible.
baylee,Can you explain this further? I know you don’t mean to, but it sounds contradictory. How can a person be of the mind that he/she will never do something and also know that in his/her weakness he/she will fall again. It seems to me that this thinking is a no-win situation.
I reported the teaching of St Alphonse, because it is an interesting testimony of an autor of the 18th century about the right of the women to have the orgasm in the conjugal act.Masturbation is a sin, but only if you aren’t doing it during or directly after sex where you could not orgasm. But directly after only counts if you start within 1 minute of the sex ending. But then you can only masturbate for 7 minutes after you are done have sex, otherwise it becomes a sin again. Then the man can pleasure you, but only if you have sex again, and then you will be able to masturbate again, but not if you are thinking about impure thoughts, unless they are impure thoughts about your husband, but the husband must know about this, and if you are thinking impure thoughts about your husband, they are actually pure, and you can go and masturbate again, but only for the 7 minutes mentioned before, starting within 1 minute of being done with sex, but only if no orgasm was achieved…if an orgasm was achieved, but the woman wants to have another, it is a mortal sin and she will be guilty of mortal sin.
Anyway, do you guys see how stupid this is? This is pretty much what is going on in this thread. You guys are worse than the Jews that won’t use the phone on the sabbath because pressing buttons is considered work. Everyone on this board is WAY too scrupulous. There is no need to analyze every little thing you do and make yourself crazy wondering if it is a sin. Have good intentions, be a good person, love Jesus and your neighbor with the best of your ability, and that is all you have to worry about.
Who are you to say that? You are not the Magisterium; you are not Christ who gave us the Magisterium. Why play games with God and dare to tell Him what you are going to do as opposed to obeying Him even when it seems strange or inconvenient?Anyway, do you guys see how stupid this is? This is pretty much what is going on in this thread. You guys are worse than the Jews that won’t use the phone on the sabbath because pressing buttons is considered work. Everyone on this board is WAY too scrupulous. There is no need to analyze every little thing you do and make yourself crazy wondering if it is a sin. Have good intentions, be a good person, love Jesus and your neighbor with the best of your ability, and that is all you have to worry about.
Indeed; and since God used the Roman Catholic Church to give us the Bible to begin with (in 386, at the Council of Rome), it stands to reason God used and continues to use the Church to give us all of His teachings on morality and faith. It makes no sense to accept the Bible but reject the rest of Catholic teaching, since both came to us from the same God and through the same Church.a lot of things aren’t… every truth known to God is not in the bible… that’s why we have the Church…