Masturbation and Addiction

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well the point is i’ve been struggling and trying for years and no results(praying half hour everyda ybefore school to avoid it)… thats why ithink its just natural.
eating is natural but would you eat a juicy hamburger in the middle of Mass? There is a time and place (and setting) for everything…

there is never a place for this kind of sin, however… so maybe i am not using a proper analogy… (no maybe to it).

God wants you to have sex with another human being… that’s the way he made sex…

It is better to marry than to burn…

A better “analogy”

when someone says inflammatory things… it is “natural” (sometimes) to fly into a rage… and hit the person…

Obviusly, this kind of ‘natural’ is sinful…
 
Amen!

----“And God created man in His own image: to the image of God He created him: male and female He created him.” Gen. 1:27
hmmm… are you the only man i “know” who views sex the same way i do??

Are you available??

😃
 
There is nothing disgusting about attractive women. Looking at attractive women is a very natural and pleasurable male behavior. God made us that way. :
actually, some of the clothing and postures taken by women today in the media…

they ARE disgusting…

sexual perversion is put forth as the norm these days… and THAT is definitely disgusting…

seems no one is attracted to an “average” woman anymore, one who has morals… They want those young, voluptuous, loose women they see on TV all the time…

Turn that &^%$ thing off…
 
God wants you to have sex with another human being… that’s the way he made sex.
God wants you to have sex with another human being… that’s the way he made sex…

Ap-ap-ap-pup! Hold on a second! Are you sure? Perhaps he’s called to a life of ceibacy!


seems no one is attracted to an “average” woman anymore, one who has morals… They want those young, voluptuous, loose women they see on TV all the time…
Actually, I happen to find burqas very flattering. *Modesty *is very attractive, which, if you think about it, is kinda ironically perverse…
 
My point is that not everybody can life a masturbation free life. I would go as far as to suggest that 80% (probably more) of good decent single people who are practicing Catholics do this at least on occasion. I never said it was morally acceptable. But for them to grovel in a pit of shame and despair over it to the brink of insanity isn’t helpful either. It is what it is!
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not everybody can??

I can - and if I, with as strong a “drive” as i have can do it… anyone can…

i feel you are possibly leading people into sin when you make blanket statemnets like this… Just because you can’t (read: won’t)… doesn’t mean no one else can…

there is some message given by Mary in one of her apparitions… (don’t know if approved or not… but can find out)… She says that God is particularly displeased with those who are following Him who engage in various sins…

When i hear a person say he doesn’t think this is a serious sin, my first thought is that he isn’t very close to God, because if he was, the Holy spirit would convict like crazy…
 
George, I know what you are going through. I was that age once. And I know that our modern culture makes thinks several orders harder.

But the sin remains a sin. It is an fundamental misuse of our bodies. It is also yoked to other sins (lust, pornography, gluttony, etc.). Christ was very bold when He said that we are better off to poke out our eyes than lust in our hearts…
so nice to hear from those who do not in any way condone or rationalize this sin.

again, i didn’t think this was a big sin before i got intimate with the Lord… Now i see it through HIs eyes… I also realize that i am more “culpable” than before becaues I AM closer to Him… or he is closer to me or however you say it… Maybe those who are not as into Mass, the rosary, etc… will be “beaten with fewer stripes” but they WILL be beaten (purified in the rigors of Purgatory…)

Only problem is: Are they even going to make it to Purgatory??

one sin leads to another and another and another… and sin causes us to, as aforementioned, love the creature more than the Creator… we forget about the Creator when we are into our sins… our minds/hearts become darkened and the devil walks in …

it is hard enough to fight satan… Why do this (and other) sins & make it seem darn near impossible…? satan has been around longer than we have… is more intelligent… more cunning… We must not give him any more ground than … possible…

Jesus said it was NOT easy getting into Heaven…

the road to Heaven is “narrow”…

the road to rationalization is wide open and many there are who go there…
 
God wants you to have sex with another human being… that’s the way he made sex…

Ap-ap-ap-pup! Hold on a second! Are you sure? Perhaps he’s called to a life of ceibacy!
sorry… for th lack of articulation… I didn’t mean to say that He wants everyone to have sex… althouhg i do believe he wants most people to get married… and i believe the Church teaches that most people are called to marriage… I just meant tht if you have a problem with lust and feel you can’t live without gratification, you should look around for a suitable companion…
Actually, I happen to find burqas very flattering. *Modesty *is very attractive, which, if you think about it, is kinda ironically perverse…
i dont’ think its perverse… I dislike seeing men without shirts on myself…

(btw: what is burqas??) :confused:

i particularly hate seeing women scantily dressed… in bathing suits that show virtually everthying… etc …i don’t see why men think that is sexy… I guess i am pretty “cerebral” about sex because what i think is sexy is not what seems to be generally seen as sexy by others…?? or do others just keep their true thoughts to themselves or something??

anywya… i think someone once said that sex is 99% in the mind… i couldn’t agree more… and if its not that much in the mind/heart… it is undoubtedly lustful, perverted… goes totally against God’s will…

(Sorry, i guess that last sentence is redundant…) :rolleyes:
 
*Modesty *is very attractive, which, if you think about it, is kinda ironically perverse…
I don’t think perverse is the right word to use. Our material, animal side is “attracted” to the physical. Our spiritual side is attracted to the spiritual. Our culture today completely denies the spiritual, and so the only kind of attraction it has left is the physical.

Complete denial of the physical is bad too, however, for, “…God saw all the things that He had made, and that they were very good.” Gen. 1: 31

Attraction to modesty, in my opinion, seems to be the natural (or supernatural) result of a right balance between the body and soul. It is not a denial of the goodness of the physical (after all, you are physically attracted to the person being modest). It is the acknowledgment of that person’s dignity, and the recognition that they are more than just a body.

So, yeah… :o

I guess all I’m saying is that it is not perverse to be attracted to modesty!
 
Coming from a 16 year old, who plans on entering St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in PA…

I struggled with masturbation. I originally joined this site to ask for advice concerning the quitting of masturbation. I am constantly tempted in school, especially in this warm-weather season, to look at girls’ breasts and butts. However, I managed to overcome masturbation, because of love, humility, and a longing for Christ.

The Church teaches that masturbation is a grave sin, however, those without full consent and knowledge of the sin cannot commit a mortal sin. A 15 year-old boy, being confused over his masturbatio habits, can’t be fully responsible for his actions. It’s basic psychology that, during puberty, masturbation occurs. It is what is done about it toward the end years of puberty, when realizing the graveness of it and going to Confession, that it becomes a mortal sin. When masturbating as a adolescent, it is a moral imperfection, rather than a grave sin.

I do not condone masturbation by any means, however it should not be look upon as a severe transgression towards God when it is done at such an age of immaturity and ignorance. I am 16, as I previously mentioned, and although many of my friends continue to masturbate and are under the illusion that it is an acceptable act, they will come back down to earth and realize the seriousness of the matter. Once that occurs, then the person is obligated to remain chaste and disciplined.

Also, has anyone here ever felt relieved when they DON’T masturbate? I found that my personality, self-image, and even academics have improved ever since I quit masturbating. If anything, when I do fall from the chaste path, I am motivated not to masturbate, so I can re-claim my former innocence and happiness. I find nature to be more beautiful, people to be more humane, and life to be more satisfying when I am not chained down by lustful thoughts and masturbation.

God Bless,

John Monaco
 
TLM08,

Furthermore, since we know that food and our drive to obtain it sustains life, How is eating huge piece of double chocolate fudge cake with chocolate chip ice cream right after dinner any different than pleasuring oneself sexually? This cake has nothing to do with the intended purpose of food which is to sustain life. Why isn’t “pleasure eating” like this considered evil? I am just not seeing much of a difference when logic is applied.

Pleasure eating to the point of gluttony is a grave sin, but one cannot compare overindulging in a dessert right after dinner to pleasuring oneself sexually. Why? Because when one masturbates they are entertaining lustful thoughts about other people who have human dignity and are made in God’s image. They are reducing the people to sexual objects. Also engaging in sexual thoughts of this kind can lead one to want more than just the lustful thoughts. It can often lead to viewing pornography and then some even are tempted into fornication or adultery. This is one of the reasons the Churches teaches that this is a very grave sin. It is also a selfish act and can destroy marriages.

TLM08, I just wanted to share this beautiful entry about sexual love from the catechism.

III. THE LOVE OF HUSBAND AND WIFE
Code:
2360 Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament. [1601]

2361 "Sexuality, by means of which man and woman give themselves to one another through the acts which are proper and exclusive to spouses, is not something simply biological, but concerns the innermost being of the human person as such. It is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and woman commit themselves totally to one another until death." [FC 11] [1643, 2332]

    Tobias got out of bed and said to Sarah, "Sister, get up, and let us pray and implore our Lord that he grant us mercy and safety." So she got up, and they began to pray and implore that they might be kept safe. Tobias began by saying, "Blessed are you, O God of our fathers.... You made Adam, and for him you made his wife Eve as a helper and support. From the two of them the race of mankind has sprung. You said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone; let us make a helper for him like himself.' I now am taking this kinswoman of mine, not because of lust, but with sincerity. Grant that she and I may find mercy and that we may grow old together." And they both said, "Amen, Amen." Then they went to sleep for the night. [Tob 8:4-9] [1611]
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I guess if that helps you for the time being, but how will you ever meet your future wife if you don’t see her completely as herself, outside as well as inside? Unless, of course, you are friends and become more, but will you even look at her? If you’re eyes aren’t open to her, how will you see her if you are so afraid of sinning? (symbolically speaking)

You need not worry about this in the slightest, this will not get in the way of Godly love.

In fact, a person who does these things will see her more clearly than any man, because he will see her with eyes that see through to the soul.

Shin, This is beautiful!!! Amen.
 
Also, has anyone here ever felt relieved when they DON’T masturbate? I found that my personality, self-image, and even academics have improved ever since I quit masturbating. If anything, when I do fall from the chaste path, I am motivated not to masturbate, so I can re-claim my former innocence and happiness. I find nature to be more beautiful, people to be more humane, and life to be more satisfying when I am not chained down by lustful thoughts and masturbation.

God Bless,

John Monaco
thanks for your testimony and i hope you share it with your peers… a LOT!! 🙂 They may hate you for it but then, Jesus said we would be “hated by all”…

everybody hates me… but o well… Jesus doesn’t… and that’s all that matters…🙂
 
TLM08,

Pleasure eating to the point of gluttony is a grave sin, but one cannot compare overindulging in a dessert right after dinner to pleasuring oneself sexually. Why? Because when one masturbates they are entertaining lustful thoughts about other people who have human dignity and are made in God’s image.
***even if a person commits this sin just for physical release (tension) & has NO thoughts of lust toward a person … it is STill wrong… ***

sexual impurity destroys grace in a person’s soul and it is grace that gets us to Heaven…
 
oh cool… i have the last word…
But didn’t this guy called Jesus die to save us from our sins?

Also, masturbation is a healthier alternative to the most extremes of the sin of lust (such as rape) and has been proven to relieve stress and lead to a healthy lifestyle. It is an alternative to the spread of life-threatening diseases and the birth of bastard children doomed to forever be raised in a poor environment. This issue should be taken a little more lightly.
 
But didn’t this guy called Jesus die to save us from our sins?

Also, masturbation is a healthier alternative to the most extremes of the sin of lust (such as rape) and has been proven to relieve stress and lead to a healthy lifestyle. It is an alternative to the spread of life-threatening diseases and the birth of bastard children doomed to forever be raised in a poor environment. This issue should be taken a little more lightly.
you’re obviously Protestant…

sorry, don’t mean any offense, just that Protestants don’t usually think this is a big sin…

i didnt either until i got very close to Jesus through Mass, rosary, Real Presence… .

The rosary got me to knowing God better… and also myself… (the conditin of my soul as seen by God) …

it doesn’t make sense to say that some vice is “healthier” than another… kinda like comparing tooth extractoin with appendix extraction… 😃

and this sin is NOT good for one’s physical health any more than it is for one’s spiritual health… (tho the 2 should not be separated anyway… really). I realize proving such a thing is probably not possible but just suffice it to say that i KNOW This to be true…

no impure thing will enter Heaven. This sin is a great impurity… removes grace from one’s soul (Prayer, confession, etc can restore… but the more a person drinks poison, the less the antidote works…)

i would like to know that my future husband (assuming such a creature even exists) would be keeping himself pure and only for ME (and God, of course. God invented sex… people seem to forget that fact…)…
 
But didn’t this guy called Jesus die to save us from our sins?
Yes, but does that mean I can sin with impunity? No.
Also, masturbation is a healthier alternative to the most extremes of the sin of lust (such as rape) and has been proven to relieve stress and lead to a healthy lifestyle. It is an alternative to the spread of life-threatening diseases and the birth of bastard children doomed to forever be raised in a poor environment. This issue should be taken a little more lightly.
How about chastity? God calls us to perfection, not “lesser evils”.
 
it doesn’t make sense to say that some vice is “healthier” than another… kinda like comparing tooth extractoin with appendix extraction… 😃
Your example undermines a valid point. Homicide is clearly worse of a vice than stealing gum.
and this sin is NOT good for one’s physical health any more than it is for one’s spiritual health…
Scientifically, yes it is
no impure thing will enter Heaven. This sin is a great impurity… removes grace from one’s soul (Prayer, confession, etc can restore… but the more a person drinks poison, the less the antidote works…)
What sense does it make for the lord to create an extremely fallible creature and request it to be infallible? Sin is inevitable, there is no such thing as perfection, purity or whatever you want to call it, but faith is clearly more important than repentance. Now I don’t promote doing cocaine and committing mass homicide at all, but there is room for fun and happiness in life and living in fear the God that claims to undeniably love you in an inconceivable way makes no sense. Live, love and learn, don’t live in fear of being sent to hell for touching yourself, for if I sent anything that I loved to be tortured for all eternity, it wouldn’t be over self pleasure. If I was created in the image of God, I can most likely empathize with him for an extent.
 
Your example undermines a valid point. Homicide is clearly worse of a vice than stealing gum.

Scientifically, yes it is

What sense does it make for the lord to create an extremely fallible creature and request it to be infallible? Sin is inevitable, there is no such thing as perfection, purity or whatever you want to call it, but faith is clearly more important than repentance. Now I don’t promote doing cocaine and committing mass homicide at all, but there is room for fun and happiness in life and living in fear the God that claims to undeniably love you in an inconceivable way makes no sense. Live, love and learn, don’t live in fear of being sent to hell for touching yourself, for if I sent anything that I loved to be tortured for all eternity, it wouldn’t be over self pleasure. If I was created in the image of God, I can most likely empathize with him for an extent.
Christ does say,
----“Be you therefore perfect, as also your Heavenly Father is perfect.” Matt. 6:48

Granted, it is impossible to withstand temptation and be perfect. On our own. None of us can do it. And that’s a fact. But because Christ has merited for us Sanctifying Grace as well as bestowing on us Actual Grace, it is possible to avoid these vices.

St. Jude says, “Now to him who is able to preserve you without sin, and to present you spotless before the presence of his glory, in the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,” Jude 1:25

It would indeed be foolish to ask us humans to be perfect on our own. That is why Christ gives us the grace we need to fulfill all our obligations. The Council of Trent stated that whoever says that it is impossible (with the help of Christ) to fulfill all of the requirements of the law is anathema.

And God does undeniably love us. Always. But what if there is nothing left of us for Him to love? Only persons can love and be loved. Sin makes us less of a person, and therefore less able to recieve God’s Love.
 
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