Masturbation, is it good for you?

[TheApologist]

That’s for me to know. When I do confess it and explain the circumstances to priests who are very loyal to the Church they usually mention that unless one is completely able to say they are doing it despite the fact that it is mortal or whatever, meaning doing it to deliberately challenge the Creator, it is not fulfilling the mortal sin requirement and therefore it is not a concern. I have often been told rather than beat myself over the times I have fallen rejoice higher number of times I have been able to resist.

You are still deliberately doing something He demands not doing. This is deliberate challenging. You don’t exactly have to be challenging Him completely or in His whole teaching…you just have to be dilerbately rebeling against His teaching in one area, knowing what you are doing is gravely sinful.

Now if it’s a mental issue where you’re so mentally twisted by your feelings, then that’s different. In that case you should immediately go to the doctor to be diagnosed.
If you simply say “I like this, I think I’ll do it”, then it would seem to me to NOT be a mental issue and so be your complete consent.

One cannot deliberately gravely sin with complete knowledge without mortally sinning. It seems as if you do NOT have any real outside force that’s twisting you in a manner for you to do it. You seem to simply have come to the conclusion that it’s not that bad and you do it anyway. THIS IS MORTALLY SINFUL. Please repent and make peace with God soon.

 

[goofyjim]

You are still deliberately doing something He demands not doing. This is deliberate challenging. You don’t exactly have to be challenging Him completely or in His whole teaching…you just have to be dilerbately rebeling against His teaching in one area, knowing what you are doing is gravely sinful.

Now if it’s a mental issue where you’re so mentally twisted by your feelings, then that’s different. In that case you should immediately go to the doctor to be diagnosed.
If you simply say “I like this, I think I’ll do it”, then it would seem to me to NOT be a mental issue and so be your complete consent.

One cannot deliberately gravely sin with complete knowledge without mortally sinning. It seems as if you do NOT have any real outside force that’s twisting you in a manner for you to do it. You seem to simply have come to the conclusion that it’s not that bad and you do it anyway. THIS IS MORTALLY SINFUL. Please repent and make peace with God soon.

I have repented and continue to do so. But to think I won’t fall again is impossible to accept. And I am at peace with God. Read the whole Catechism folks. Even they say while it is objectively sinful it is not always subjectively so.

 

[exoflare]

If it is beneficial to masturbate, why is it immoral? Why would God stipulate that it is a mortal sin when it is good for the body?

The parts in bold are false, and therefore this whole thing is just one big non-issue.

 

[goofyjim]

It may be immoral but I dispute any claims that it makes one a psychopathic killer.

 

[CHCatholic]

It may be immoral but I dispute any claims that it makes one a psychopathic killer.

Its not going to make you a killer. The poster wasn’t saying that it does to everyone, they were pointing out the fact that many who are psycho killers, do masturbate, which may show some psychological troubles caused by masturbation.
Aswell, You may not kill kittens, but the point is the end does not justify the means. You may not use sin to avoid an even bigger sin.

 

[antimon]

I used to masturbate a lot, but thanks to God now I do not, so I can speak from both points of view. I really don’t know why someone think it has any benefits. Did I miss something during that time?

 

[seeker44]

Another thread in the Forum deals with the “struggle with masterbation.” You may wish to read some of these folks’ insights. In that thread one member mentions a helpful site for a more comprehensive look at masterbation: couragerc.net/PIPMasturbation.html

BTW, regarding “kittens” – During President Clinton’s presidency, Congress passed an HR 18?? (forgot the exact number) addressing cruelty to animals. It was introduced and passed because of escalating demand for videos showing the torture and killing of small animals by men and women who are sexually aroused and masterbate to watching this cruelty. Sometimes those who use masterbation as a drug of choice, are driven by a need for ever stronger doses.

 

[VociMike]

Funny it never led me in that direction. It prevents me from going out and having promiscuous sex.

Well, more accurately, it keeps your promiscuous sex in the fantasy realm. Look, you’re not talking to Martians here. Guys have been there, done that. Now for your own sake (because is certainly doesn’t affect any of us), pay attention to what goes on in your mind when you masturbate. Unless you are from Mars, you think of women you have known, women you have seen, pictures you have seen, situations you can imagine. You are using these women (or the very concept of woman) for your pleasure. A sure sign that one is off track morally is when one uses people and loves things, rather than loving people and using things. You are developing a mindset where women, any women, are things to be used for your pleasure. Now, it may just be in your mind. Later, who knows? I (we) speak from experience here.

So don’t assume we’re just here to rain on your parade. Masturbation really can have negative mental and moral health consequences. The more habitual and compulsive, the more the consequences. I wouldn’t want to be a woman who marries a man with a serious masturbation habit.

 

[redmars3000]

And even furthermore, masturbation is not even strictly biologically healthy, it is phsyically harmful in some ways as well. Jason Evert points out in his main book that every time you ejaculate, your body produces slightly less oxytocin, the key hormone for emotional bonding in sex. A man who masturbated every day for 20 years and then married would have destroyed his ability to chemically-emotionally bond with his wife during sex.

God bless.

Can a person repair that ability(chemical bonding) if they have stopped sexual activity for awhile?

 

[PauloFreire2]

Look…it’s biological, okay? If your ‘system’ forces you to ejaculate in your ***sleep ***(eg, wet-dreams), what does that say about our physical nature?:newidea:

 

[VociMike]

Look…it’s biological, okay? If your ‘system’ forces you to ejaculate in your ***sleep ***(eg, wet-dreams), what does that say about our physical nature?:newidea:

If you want to talk strictly biology then why not just impregnate as many women as you possibly can? You genes will then spread far and wide. Or do you acknowledge that there could be more to sex than just biology?

 

[PauloFreire2]

Sex is a biological need. Wet-dreams prove it. Even if men discipline themselves to not consciously ejaculate, they still do, when they’re asleep.:clapping:

 

[goofyjim]

Sex is a biological need. Wet-dreams prove it. Even if men discipline themselves to not consciously ejaculate, they still do, when they’re asleep.:clapping:

Sex is only necessary to perpetuate the species. Unconscious ejaculations show no proof that sex is necessary for other purposes. Granted I don’t believe masturbation is anyhwere near a predominant factor in psychopathic killers even I who only have an occasional fall am getting very tired of your not so illustrious comments.

 

[Transformer]

Sex is a biological need. Wet-dreams prove it. Even if men discipline themselves to not consciously ejaculate, they still do, when they’re asleep.

Death is the biological norm too; that doesn’t give us the right to murder, because there is simply more to it than that. “It’ll happen anyway, so why not just cause it yourself?” is not a good policy when it comes to morality, sexual or otherwise.

 

[CHCatholic]

Sex is a biological need. Wet-dreams prove it. Even if men discipline themselves to not consciously ejaculate, they still do, when they’re asleep.:clapping:

Thats different then a forced ejaculation while you think of women objectively.

If Jesus said even thinking of a girl lustfully is adultery, I can only imagine what He would say about masturbation.

(Well, check the CCC if you wanna know his views )

 

[VociMike]

Sex is a biological need. Wet-dreams prove it. Even if men discipline themselves to not consciously ejaculate, they still do, when they’re asleep.:clapping:

So then everything is taken care of without any need to “help things along”. Nocturnal emissions are an argument against the need for masturbation, not the need for it.

 

[thechrismyster]

Jason Evert points out in his main book that every time you ejaculate, your body produces slightly less oxytocin, the key hormone for emotional bonding in sex. A man who masturbated every day for 20 years and then married would have destroyed his ability to chemically-emotionally bond with his wife during sex.

while I agree with the concept that masturbation is wrong and i’m in line with Church teaching… once you understand the reason it’s wrong… you understand…

but i have to comment on this little ditty of conjecture i’m quoting… this type of argument really makes me just want to hang my head and weep. to go from oxytocin and leap to destroying a mans ability to bond just speaks volumes as to Jason’s young age and inexperience.

under the same argument, keeping in mind that regular alcohol consumption lowers blood oxytocin levels AND boosts receptivity to it at the same time.
he should also argue that if you are a heavy drinker, in theory, the oxytocin you produce during lovemaking, after 20 years of marriage and many shots and brews…should lead to stronger bonding and happier marriage…

Oxytocin is released in large amounts in breastfeeding women … if a woman breastfeeds multiple kids over many years… is she, too, ruined for future bonding with her mate??

bad logic that man is spouting.

 

[TheApologist]

while I agree with the concept that masturbation is wrong and i’m in line with Church teaching… once you understand the reason it’s wrong… you understand…

but i have to comment on this little ditty of conjecture i’m quoting… this type of argument really makes me just want to hang my head and weep. to go from oxytocin and leap to destroying a mans ability to bond just speaks volumes as to Jason’s young age and inexperience.

under the same argument, keeping in mind that regular alcohol consumption lowers blood oxytocin levels AND boosts receptivity to it at the same time.
he should also argue that if you are a heavy drinker, in theory, the oxytocin you produce during lovemaking, after 20 years of marriage and many shots and brews…should lead to stronger bonding and happier marriage…

Oxytocin is released in large amounts in breastfeeding women … if a woman breastfeeds multiple kids over many years… is she, too, ruined for future bonding with her mate??

bad logic that man is spouting.

First of all, alcohol, it seems, temporarily lowers oxytocin levels not permenantly lowers production of it. Second, releasing large amount of oxytocin is not the same as reducing production of it.

It seems like YOUR logic needs a little rearranging.

 

[antimon]

if you didn’t eat, you would die => eating is a biological need
if you didn’t breathe, you would die => breathing is a biological need
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if you didn’t have sex, would your physical condition get any worse? => is it really a biological need?

it is need only in the sense of procreation, and masturbation isn’t procreative

 

[Timothy_486]

Well those who masturbate usually have a desire for a sexual relationship (I know what your all gonna say: “well duh!”) and then this can lead to 2 possibilities:

1. The man finds a woman he likes and marries and the masturbation is then dropped and instead he does normal sexual practices with her.

or

1. He finds a woman, but then while he may or may not have normal sex with her, he still finds his masturbation to be a priority and will lead him to take that over sex with her on average.

obviously we all hope that more people will fall into the former than the latter.