Masturbation: NOT A SIN

[CWBetts]

whom am I insulting??? I don’t care what people think. My message is to get the truth out there as accurately as possible

My recommendation read I Corinthians 13. Pay close attention to the second verse
And you insulted me.

 

[tobinatorstark]

My recommendation read I Corinthians 13. Pay close attention to the second verse
And you insulted me.

my comments aren’t directed to insult you. I am just saying that I prefer to put the Magesterium above the Catechism. I was only explaining my purposes I am not saying that you are wrong or anything. I just assume that you’d put the Magesterium and mention it before the Cathechism. The Catechism is nothing without the Magesterium and Scripture. I love the Catechism and I read it along with the scripture. In fact I like to reread passages in the Douay-Rheims rather than the RSV-CE. It is just shocking that the Magesterium doesn’t get the respect it rightfully deserves

 

[tobinatorstark]

see edited post

 

[CatholicKing08]

All I have left to say is that it is truly a sign of human weakness that some men have more faith in masturbation than they do in God. That seems to be what the “it’s natural” argument is about, that masturbation is so powerful that it cannot be overcome through Christ. [Sarcasm]Awesome, let the idol worship continue.[/Sarcasm].

Like many others here I have overcome masturbation. It has been over eight months since I last did it, and I can’t see myself ever moving backwards now that my relationship with God has become so much stronger.

 

[CatholicKing08]

And let me add that not one of you who is not completely opposed to masturbation will ever hope to stop it. It takes righteous anger to overcome something so difficult. If you have any doubt at all or are complacent as to whether masturbation is a serious sin, then you’ve set yourself up to fail from the start. Because that attitude will fail you in such a tough undertaking and you will inevitably succumb to temptation.

Masturbation doesn’t “curb” your passions, it only keeps them going in a never ending cycle. Find a new method of release, like lifting weights, that is not based on lust.

 

[stringbeanduck]

Nah, its perfectly natural, like the poster said, like taking a breadth of air, God gave us all our sexuality, married & single, for God`s sake babies masturbate, teens masturbate big time because of such strong sex urges.Many married men continue to masturbate, its too accessable. Any man that has a penis is going to masturbate

Wrong. Not everyone masturbates. Yes a good percentage do, but there are many out there that haven’t.

 

[thevickinator16]

And let me add that not one of you who is not completely opposed to masturbation will ever hope to stop it. It takes righteous anger to overcome something so difficult. If you have any doubt at all or are complacent as to whether masturbation is a serious sin, then you’ve set yourself up to fail from the start. Because that attitude will fail you in such a tough undertaking and you will inevitably succumb to temptation.

Masturbation doesn’t “curb” your passions, it only keeps them going in a never ending cycle. Find a new method of release, like lifting weights, that is not based on lust.

I believe everything that can be said on this subject has been said. It always comes to Obedience. If God says it is not to be, then that’s it. There is no justification we can make to commit any sin. You either go His Way or follow the devil. The saying–“the road to hell is paved with good intentions”, is useful here. We as creatures tend to want our cake and eat it too. we tell ourselves that these are just little sins. Unrepentant “little” sins are the same as committing a mortal sin. Unrepeantance and recommitting are a grave sign that you soul is in real danger. Go talk to your parish priest if we are not helping.

SIN IS SIN!

 

[CatholicKing08]

I agree, it’s all about going from a slave to your passions to becoming a slave of righteousness and serving God.

 

[PennitentMan]

I don’t base my beliefs on the dictionary. I prefer the Catechism

So, reason and logic goes out the window and you believe something that had to be distorted and rephrased in so many ways to be able to fit into their teachings. That’s your prerogative, of course.

Fact remains that masturbation is not a violation of the 6th commandment.

 

[thevickinator16]

So, reason and logic goes out the window and you believe something that had to be distorted and rephrased in so many ways to be able to fit into their teachings. That’s your prerogative, of course.

Fact remains that masturbation is not a violation of the 6th commandment.

Okay, let’s look at it in another light. You believe that it is not a sin. Why do you do it? Is it for self-gratification? Release from stress?

We creatures are not supposed to be enjoying this life just for our own pleasure. God gave us free will, we choose what we want to do. The Saints are an example of just how people who gave everything (i mean everything) up for God. They attained a level of sancity that we are supposed to strieve for. We have that potential. Abraham was willing to sacrafice his own son for his love of God. This is pure and unadulterated love for God. Are you willing to do this for Him?

Swimming in God’s Mercy and wanting to drown!

 

[CWBetts]

So, reason and logic goes out the window and you believe something that had to be distorted and rephrased in so many ways to be able to fit into their teachings. That’s your prerogative, of course.

Fact remains that masturbation is not a violation of the 6th commandment.

There is a difference between the SPIRIT of the law and the LETTER of the law. In trying to rationalize a sinful behavior, you are calling on the letter of the law, and ignoring the fact that maturbation is an inherently selfish behavior which has but a single end: pleasure. Masturbation is nothing bur fornicating with yourself. No ifs, ands, or buts. You can either accept this, or reject it. But remember, it is the Mageterium of the CHurch which defines it as a violation of the 6th commandment.

 

[thevickinator16]

There is a difference between the SPIRIT of the law and the LETTER of the law. In trying to rationalize a sinful behavior, you are calling on the letter of the law, and ignoring the fact that maturbation is an inherently selfish behavior which has but a single end: pleasure. Masturbation is nothing bur fornicating with yourself. No ifs, ands, or buts. You can either accept this, or reject it. But remember, it is the Mageterium of the CHurch which defines it as a violation of the 6th commandment.

I with you on that!!

 

[PennitentMan]

Okay, let’s look at it in another light. You believe that it is not a sin. Why do you do it? Is it for self-gratification? Release from stress?

Various reasons, those and more….but that’s not the point though. It’s different for me because I don’t subscribe to your religions teachings.
The church teaches that masturbation is a sin because it violates the 6th commandment.
How did they make that stick?
They had to invent the teaching of infallibility (in 1870) and then apply it to this and other “sins” and tell everyone because they are infallible, it’s in violation of the 6th commandment when it so clearly is not.
Not once, even in scripture did they use the term adultery to describe masturbation, or fornication. Fornication has its own word and masturbation is not even mentioned.

So, sure, follow your catechism even if it doesn’t make sense, but follow it anyway, because someone says that it’s infallible…the same person who invented infallibility in the first place.
Lovely logic for ya, eh?

We creatures are not supposed to be enjoying this life just for our own pleasure. God gave us free will, we choose what we want to do. The Saints are an example of just how people who gave everything (i mean everything) up for God. They attained a level of sancity that we are supposed to strieve for. We have that potential. Abraham was willing to sacrafice his own son for his love of God. This is pure and unadulterated love for God. Are you willing to do this for Him?

No, I’m not. I tried, but it was thrown back in my face. Hence my religion status.

The Abrahamic God is a cruel master, essentially having Abraham sacrifice his son to test him? Or a god that took everything away from Job, or allowed Pharaoh’s heart to harden to the point where the same god that allowed that, killed his first born son for it.
That’s cold. You can choose to follow a god like that. I won’t.

 

[thevickinator16]

I with you on that!!

My sister just told me that in the Old Testament it says: “Better for a man’s seed to be in the belly of a whore, than be on the ground”

She has got something there!

 

[PennitentMan]

There is a difference between the SPIRIT of the law and the LETTER of the law. In trying to rationalize a sinful behavior, you are calling on the letter of the law, and ignoring the fact that maturbation is an inherently selfish behavior which has but a single end: pleasure. Masturbation is nothing bur fornicating with yourself. No ifs, ands, or buts. You can either accept this, or reject it. But remember, it is the Mageterium of the CHurch which defines it as a violation of the 6th commandment.

See my post above.

 

[thevickinator16]

Various reasons, those and more….but that’s not the point though. It’s different for me because I don’t subscribe to your religions teachings.
The church teaches that masturbation is a sin because it violates the 6th commandment.
How did they make that stick?
They had to invent the teaching of infallibility (in 1870) and then apply it to this and other “sins” and tell everyone because they are infallible, it’s in violation of the 6th commandment when it so clearly is not.
Not once, even in scripture did they use the term adultery to describe masturbation, or fornication. Fornication has its own word and masturbation is not even mentioned.

So, sure, follow your catechism even if it doesn’t make sense, but follow it anyway, because someone says that it’s infallible…the same person who invented infallibility in the first place.
Lovely logic for ya, eh?

No, I’m not. I tried, but it was thrown back in my face. Hence my religion status.

The Abrahamic God is a cruel master, essentially having Abraham sacrifice his son to test him? Or a god that took everything away from Job, or allowed Pharaoh’s heart to harden to the point where the same god that allowed that, killed his first born son for it.
That’s cold. You can choose to follow a god like that. I won’t.

Sir do you realize you have insulted Our God?

He is a hard God for sure. What do you think Jesus came to this earth for? He, alone, spares us God’s wrath. If you do not believe in the Godhead, you are truly lost. St. Faustina said she once was given the opportunity to see us as God, Himseld, sees us. He looks at us through Jesus’ Mercy. My dear fellow Christian, may I suggest to you a very uplifting read. The Diary of St. Faustina may change some of your perspectives on your faith.

I do not want to insult you, that is not my intention. I just want you to look for your place in the Divine Plan. I also wonder if you have doubts about masterbation as you so strongly defend it. Sin is sin. Bottom line. Chasity is what we are really talking about here for the most part. Are you willing to be chaste and pure for the greater glory of God?

By the way whose God do you follow?

 

[PennitentMan]

Sir do you realize you have insulted Our God?

I appologise for that. I do get carried away sometimes when something is so obviously amiss. but I do appologise for the insult.

 

[CWBetts]

Papal infallibility was not invented in 1870. The authority of the Church is testifies to in the Scriptures. But in the end, It is no sense arguing with you. For some reason you dewcided to hate the Church, probably because you cant do wahtever you want no matter how selfish (Poor you!)

 

[thevickinator16]

I appologise for that. I do get carried away sometimes when something is so obviously amiss. but I do appologise for the insult.

I am not qualified for the apology, though thank you. Spend some time with Jesus and ask Him for your answers. I know from learning through God’s unfathomable Mercy that there are many things we do not consider to be sins, yet they are. This is my whole point. Do you know that Jesus still cries because of our sins?

Pray to Him, Praise Him, the Crucified One. Give Him the glory He deserves. On this such a sad day, we need to be merciful to ourselves and to others. please allow me to share the following prayer:

O Jesus, eternal God, I thank You for Your countless graces and Blessings. Let every beat of my heart be a new hymn of thanksgiving to You, O God. Let every drop of my blood circulate for YouLord. My soul is one hymn in adoration of Your mercy. I love You,God, for Yourself alone! (diary of St. Faustina, paragraph 1974)

 

[stringbeanduck]

Papal infallibility was not invented in 1870. The authority of the Church is testifies to in the Scriptures. But in the end, It is no sense arguing with you. For some reason you dewcided to hate the Church, probably because you cant do wahtever you want no matter how selfish (Poor you!)

In order to argue with some one and make it worth your time, they opposite party much acknowledge some common ground. In which case PennitentMan has little. Better we keep our arguments with those in the church (or at least claim they are) as they **must ** acknowledge the truths of the church. To PennitentMan that means nothing. To a practicing Catholic they have little ground to argue on because part of being a practicing Catholic is acknowledging the truths of the Church. Not fully understanding a teaching is fine, denying it is wrong.