Matthew 16:18 controversy

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yeah. I glanced at the other points and agreed with much, but not all. I can’t tackle every body’s assignment, and I get many. Actually I have spent too much time today on this site. It’s time to take care of other things.

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I will most definitely pray him! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING YOUR STORY! It uplifted me greatly!! We are strengthened by the Blood of the Lamb and WORD of OUR Testimony! Amen and God Bless with un-measurable love!
 
Awe…wow! THANK YOU. You have made my night with such sweet words. God bless you and thanks again!
 
I most sincerely apologize for misunderstanding of your beliefs :confused: God Bless with love! BTW however how do you feel about Mary’s prophecy… “All generations will call me blessed?”
 
The Church did not give us the scriptures, the Spirit of the living God was the only one who knew what was inspired and what was not.
Yep. And what was the human institution that He chose to share this information with us? Oh yeah, that’s right: the Church. More to the point, the Catholic Church. (On behalf of the Catholic Church: you’re welcome. 😉 )
He DID worked through members of the Church
No… not through members of the Church, but rather – and more to the point! – through the leaders of the Church.
but He got the credit alone, not because of any human being.
Yeah… and?

After all, what I’m claiming is simply that it was through the Church that Jesus founded that the Scriptures were given to us… and now, you’re dissing that Church. Not cool. 🤷‍♂️
God did give us authority (but it was not singular as you suppose) to properly interpret scriptures. This authority work through those in Christ who have, with all diligence, and under the leadership of the Spirit, interpret properly. It has never been a select group
OK. Show me, then, that this is the case.
In Scripture, we see that apostles – that is, the leadership of the Church – interpret Scripture. Can you show that others do, as well?
(And be careful before you point out the Bereans – they don’t interpret Scripture, they simply utilize existing understandings of it in their discernment of daily life situations… 😉 )
But before the ink could dry, it was called the word of God.
Actually… before the ink was dry, the word of God was already being taught – by apostles (that is, by the leaders of the Church).
But interpreting scripture is a science of common sense rules that for centuries did not exist and we have paid the price for it today.
Again: show me. Where does Scripture say that interpretation is merely a matter of ‘common sense’ and not an exercise of authoritative leadership?
 
It is not I who believe that my circle of faith is the only one going to heaven. Roman Catholics do.
OK… all other things considered, it’s important to correct this misconception. The Catholic Church does not teach that only Catholics go do heaven.

Let that sink in for a minute. Catholics don’t believe that heaven is populated only by Catholics.

Do we need to talk about this for a bit? 'Cause if that’s what you think the Church teaches, then you’re really, really misinformed. ☹️
 
Jesus said He was building “my church”…singular. (Matthew 16)

And it is HIS authentic, authorized Church which is that through which the contents of the authentic, authorized Bible was determined. Which are - together - that through which we properly learn to serve Jesus, along with the authentic, authorized governing body who are the successors of the original Apostles. (Matthew 28)
 
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The Church is the Pillar and Bulwark of the Truth, it is an actual THING with structure, protected by the Holy Spirit, not a loose collection of people. Jesus established the Church so that EVERYONE would have access to His OBJECTIVE TRUTH, not just a select few who “abide in Him”. This whole argument seems ridiculous, with scripture “interpreting itself” and whole swathes of Christians being led astray, not having the correct interpretations, because they apparently don’t “abide in Him” even though many of these people live quite righteously and devote their lives to Him. God would NOT create this kind of chaos, leaving people with wildly different interpretations on very important and basic Gospel messages such as baptism and the Eucharist. Please try to set aside your beliefs and look at this objectively.
 
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And thus the false notions of what is and isnt sin gave birth as well
 
If a sinning brother will not repent take him before the Church.
What “Church”? Can you point me to where I would take a sinning brother that will not repent? Give me longitude and latitude to where I can take him before this “Church”.
 
I’m no Greek expert but as I understand petras means stone. Petros, the title given Simon, exists nowhere else in Greek. So I’m not sure what you are trying to say.

What seems abundantly clear, and what even modern Protestant scholars admit, is that Jesus gave Simon a new name. The name is Rock. Even if you insist that it means ‘Little Rock’ Jesus still gave Simon a new name. Giving someone a new name is a hugely significant thing that happens in Scripture. And it means the person has a special leadership role from God.
 
But most people on this site are not free
After being fully initiated into the Catholic Church receiving the Sacrament of Confirmation and now daily consuming the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Blessed Lord in the Eucharist; I have never been more holistically liberated from myself, sin, and the bondage of the Devil. Being in pious communion with the Mystical Body of Christ is freedom itself. No longer am I enslaved to illogical and unreasonable 16th century, man-made doctrines under the guise of Scripture. No longer am I enslaved to the idea that I can live in mortal sin so long as I have faith alone. No longer am I looking for answers to logical question that every single protesting pastor could not answer adequately. I am finally at peace with God, receiving His peace through the outpouring of His Holy Spirit and His love into my heart. Thank and praise God for the Catholic Church and her unending supply of sanctifying grace!
 
“What “Church”? Can you point me to where I would take a sinning brother that will not repent? Give me longitude and latitude to where I can take him before this “Church”.”

If the reformation hadn’t have happened, everyone would know exactly where to go, just like everyone knew pre-reformation…Your local Church.
 
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I’m dissing that Church?.. why would I dis the very Church to which I belong? … I am not dissing anyone. I am trying to bring it back to it’s founding definition.
 
Augusttherese, … glad to hear it. I’m glad that you are happy where you are. Be blessed by our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
 
I’m dissing that Church?.. why would I dis the very Church to which I belong? … I am not dissing anyone. I am trying to bring it back to it’s founding definition.
There’s something deeply ironic about a Christian – whose denomination left the ‘founding’ Church – wanting to bring “[the Church] back to its founding definition”… 👍 🙂
 
Please do not allow anyone to define my approach to Peter. I like Peter he is one of my favorite bible witnesses. And yes, his name change is significant because Peter denied the Lord three times, but on the day of Pentecost, when he was filled with the Holy Spirit, he preached and three thousand souls were saved. He became bold as a lion and strong as a rock. All of this is wonderful but none of it equals what Rome insist that it equals.

Unless there is real bible evidence that Peter’s role would change from an Apostle to the gentiles to a special Bishop who would decree doctrine all by himself, at Rome ,all during the exact time the bible tells us he functioned as an Apostle, then I can accept such ideas.
 
Unless there is real bible evidence that Peter’s role would change from an Apostle to the gentiles to a special Bishop who would decree doctrine all by himself, at Rome ,all during the exact time the bible tells us he functioned as an Apostle, then I can accept such ideas.
I’ve given you this from Isaiah 22 already, but here:
21 and I will clothe him with your robe, and will bind your girdle on him, and will commit your authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah.
22 And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
23 And I will fasten him like a peg in a sure place, and he will become a throne of honor to his father’s house.
24 And they will hang on him the whole weight of his father’s house, the offspring and issue, every small vessel, from the cups to all the flagons.
Peter is the Steward
Jesus is a Davidic king, and His kingdom is the entirety of humanity, not just the Gentiles.
 
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