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I am conflicted with the various translations of this passage. What is the “Catholic Answer” regarding Luke 1:28?
490 To become the mother of the Savior, Mary "was enriched by God with gifts appropriate to such a role."132 The angel Gabriel at the moment of the annunciation salutes her as “full of grace”.133 In fact, in order for Mary to be able to give the free assent of her faith to the announcement of her vocation, it was necessary that she be wholly borne by God’s grace.
491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, “full of grace” through God,134 was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:
The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.135
492 The “splendor of an entirely unique holiness” by which Mary is “enriched from the first instant of her conception” comes wholly from Christ: she is “redeemed, in a more exalted fashion, by reason of the merits of her Son”.136 The Father blessed Mary more than any other created person “in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places” and chose her “in Christ before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before him in love”.137
493 The Fathers of the Eastern tradition call the Mother of God “the All-Holy” (Panagia), and celebrate her as “free from any stain of sin, as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature”.138 By the grace of God Mary remained free of every personal sin her whole life long.
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The Holy Spirit prepared Mary by his grace. It was fitting that the mother of him in whom "the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily"102 should herself be “full of grace.” She was, by sheer grace, conceived without sin as the most humble of creatures, the most capable of welcoming the inexpressible gift of the Almighty. It was quite correct for the angel Gabriel to greet her as the “Daughter of Zion”: "Rejoice."103 It is the thanksgiving of the whole People of God, and thus of the Church, which Mary in her canticle104 lifts up to the Father in the Holy Spirit while carrying within her the eternal Son.
490 To become the mother of the Savior, Mary "was enriched by God with gifts appropriate to such a role."132 The angel Gabriel at the moment of the annunciation salutes her as “full of grace”.133 In fact, in order for Mary to be able to give the free assent of her faith to the announcement of her vocation, it was necessary that she be wholly borne by God’s grace.
491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, “full of grace” through God,134 was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:
The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.135
492 The “splendor of an entirely unique holiness” by which Mary is “enriched from the first instant of her conception” comes wholly from Christ: she is “redeemed, in a more exalted fashion, by reason of the merits of her Son”.136 The Father blessed Mary more than any other created person “in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places” and chose her “in Christ before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before him in love”.137
493 The Fathers of the Eastern tradition call the Mother of God “the All-Holy” (Panagia), and celebrate her as “free from any stain of sin, as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature”.138 By the grace of God Mary remained free of every personal sin her whole life long.
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The Holy Spirit prepared Mary by his grace. It was fitting that the mother of him in whom "the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily"102 should herself be “full of grace.” She was, by sheer grace, conceived without sin as the most humble of creatures, the most capable of welcoming the inexpressible gift of the Almighty. It was quite correct for the angel Gabriel to greet her as the “Daughter of Zion”: "Rejoice."103 It is the thanksgiving of the whole People of God, and thus of the Church, which Mary in her canticle104 lifts up to the Father in the Holy Spirit while carrying within her the eternal Son.
Sacred Tradition is not BS. We gave you the answer, not just in Tradition but in Scripture. I take it you’re not Catholic?I am up against some very astute folks that know their Bible so I cannot baffle them with BS. ?
Hey, whoa, hit the breaks there. Nowhere in any Church teaching does it proclaim Divinity for Blessed Mary. Where did you get that?Yeah… you can produce all kinds of Sacred Tradition that points to the Divinity of Our Holy Mother.
BS? Being a convert on systematic theology and hardly ever read Sacred Scripture prior to conversion, I really do get a great laugh at these “bible alone” defenses of the Church. It’s like you’re walking into a boxing ring asking only to use one hand while your feet are tied.I am referring to the differences in the Bible translations the Church uses here in America. I am up against some very astute folks that know their Bible so I cannot baffle them with BS. The two differing translations are quite an obstacle. Help me overcome this.
Here in America we have two translations: the NAB - the Lectionary we all hear each and every Sunday that has been adopted by the United States Council of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) and the Revised Standard Version – Catholic Edition, that is marketed by Ignatius Press in cooperation with Catholic Answers. You may dispute this… but why can’t I order a copy of a NAB Bible from the CAF Shop? Is CAF not faithful to and true to the Magisterium in this regard? I’ve listened to Catholic Answers Live and had heard some uncharitable thing regarding the NAB/Lectionary translation. Doesn’t the NAB carry the “imprimatur”?
vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_30091943_divino-afflante-spiritu_en.html The Vulgate received many praises from this Encyclical by Pope Pius XII. Paragraph 21 in particular stated it is “free from any error whatsoever in matters of faith and morals.”The NAB adopted by the USCCB and most English translations read Luke 1:28 to be “Hail, most Favored One”. How do I explain that Catholic devotion to our Blessed Lady to non-Catholics where almost every Bible translation does not read “Hail Mary, full of Grace but “highly favored one”?
**MEDIATRIX. **
A title of the Blessed Virgin as mediator of grace. There are two aspects of this mediation. It is certain in Catholic theology that, since Mary gave birth to the Redeemer, who is source of all grace, she is in this way the channel of all graces to mankind. But it is only probable, as a legitimate opinion, that since Mary’s Assumption into heaven no grace is received by humans without her actual intercessory co-operation.
On the first level of mediation, Mary freely co-operated with God in consenting to the Incarnation, giving birth to her Son and thus sharing with him in spirit the labors of his passion and death. Yet Christ alone truly offered the sacrifice of atonement on the Cross. Mary gave him moral support in this action. She is therefore not entitled to the name “priest,” as several Roman documents legislate. As explained by the Council of Florence in 1441, Christ “conquered the enemy of the human race alone” (Denzinger, 1347). In the same way he alone acquired the grace of redemption for the whole human race, including Mary. Her part in the objective redemption, therefore, was indirect and remote, and derived from her voluntary devotion to the service of Christ. Under the Cross she suffered and sacrificed with him, but subordinate to him in such a way that all the efficacy of her oblation depended on that of her Son.
On the second stage of mediation, Mary co-operates by her maternal intercession in applying Christ’s redemptive grace to human beings, called the subjective redemption. This does not imply that the faithful must pray for all graces through Mary, nor that her intercession is inherently necessary for the distribution of divine blessing, but that, according to God’s special ordinance, the graces merited by Christ are conferred through the actual intercessory mediation of his mother. Recent popes and the Second Vatican Council have spoken in favor of this type of mediation, which finds support in patristic tradition.
I think the fall is through Adam not Eve.If we blame the “fall” in the garden on Eve why woulnd’t God restore us through a woman-Mary.
Seems like all through the Bible he takes and restores through the same types.
the Greek is somewhat ambiguous but I am not sure it matters. I would think anyone highly favored, especially as Mary was, would be also full of grace.does the original greek say full of grace or highly favored one?
Ambiguous? Really? What about kecharitomene is ambiguous (except, maybe, that the Latin “full of grace” (gratia plena) doesn’t really capture its meaning…!)the Greek is somewhat ambiguous but I am not sure it matters. I would think anyone highly favored, especially as Mary was, would be also full of grace.
God Bless
YupAmbiguous? Really? What about kecharitomene is ambiguous (except, maybe, that the Latin “full of grace” (gratia plena) doesn’t really capture its meaning…!)
I think Justin Martyr and Ireneaus would both agree with you!If we blame the “fall” in the garden on Eve why woulnd’t God restore us through a woman-Mary.
Seems like all through the Bible he takes and restores through the same types.
Yes, but don’t jump to conclusions on his words.I think the fall is through Adam not Eve.
St Paul says Eve was deceived and fell (venial sin) but Adam chose (Mortal sin).
Just saying
God Bless
I think the ambiguity lies in the fact that the word was not known before this time, and I don’t believe its ever been used in any other passage, other than alluding back to the Word used in reference to Mary.Ambiguous? Really? What about kecharitomene is ambiguous (except, maybe, that the Latin “full of grace” (gratia plena) doesn’t really capture its meaning…!)
closest (one letter difference) is in Sirach 18.17 (+RSV)I think the ambiguity lies in the fact that the word was not known before this time, and I don’t believe its ever been used in any other passage, other than alluding back to the Word used in reference to Mary.