Mel Gibson's NEw "Catholic" Church?

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Mel Gibson made so much money from “The Passion of the Christ” that he’s now putting it where his mouth is, so to speak. He’s continuing to build a religious compound in Malibu for Catholics who reject Vatican II, and is implicitly endorsing his controversial father’s beliefs by helping him launch a similar church in Pennsylvania…
 
Yeah – I read that too. I was wondering then if he considers himself a member of the SSPX or a different fringe organization?
 
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kaj3:
Yeah – I read that too. I was wondering then if he considers himself a member of the SSPX or a different fringe organization?
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He is not part of the SSPX. This is definitely more on the “fringe”. I’m glad this finally came out. There have been other threads on Mel in the past, and I kept trying to convince people that he was NOT in union with Holy Mother Church. It would be so nice to believe that he is, given all he’s contributed with “The Passion” and all. I’m sure he’s a good man and believes that his “catholic” church is the true one. It is prudent to understand where Mel stands as he does not speak as a Catholic. Thanks for the thread TPJCatholic!
 
I get a real kick out of the concern people show for the brand of Mel Gibson’s catholicism. Do they think his 70-member parish is going to overthrow the Vatican?

Regardless of his Church’s affiliation, he makes good movies. If you need him to be a perfect Catholic in order to enjoy them, okay…don’t go.
 
If he rejects Vatican II and the Pope, then he can only barely be called Catholic at all…not much difference between his faith and Lutheran.
 
Actually, a lot of what passes for the “Faith” in the post Vatican II church is closer to Lutheran than the beliefs of Mel Gibson.
He believes and practices what all Catholics believed and practiced until 1965. As such, he rejects modern ecumenism and the new ecclesiology and the teaching on religious liberty, none of which things were believed in or even tolerated in the Catholic Church prior to the 1960s.
Mel would style himself a “sedevacantist”, not an SSPXer.

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Not sure about this, but I think he has rejected the authority of our current Pope and of the Magestirium. He also outright rejects Vatican II, which a Catholic cannot do and still be a Catholic.

Mel can “wish” that things were like they were before, but to leave the Church and go build his own is merely a Protestant action. He is now a Protestant…sadly.
 
Here’s the thing. You are all right in suggesting that his brand of Catholicism is out of the mainstream and objectively wrong. On the other hand, I believe the Church’s position – someone correct me if I am wrong – is that the leadership (i.e. renegade priests and bishops) are the ones who aren’t in good standing whereas the lay Catholics in such groups are not held as responsible for the schism. Please don’t interperet that statement on my part as an endorsement for Mel’s misguided beliefs. Simply, if we are to be ecumenical, isn’t it a lot easier to be ecumenical with schismatic Catholics who are also traditional? After all, the body of commonality between us and them is rather striking and large.
 
Where do you guys get all this info on Mel Gibson? I stand in line at the grocery store every week and never see any of this stuff. I read the Fox article and it doesn’t say much, like a lot of our news these days. I would be more interested in knowing who the Priest is that says Mass at this church. If it is someone that is in good standing with Rome then I say it sounds OK to me.
 
Where to get info on Mel Gibson?

Do a GOOGLE search for “Mel Gibson Traditionalist Catholic”

You should get quite a few choices.

Jaypeeto3 🙂
 
So where is he getting his priests? Are they disgruntled Catholic priests? What about their Sacraments? I wonder if their Communions are validly consecrated. For sure Confession would not be a valid sacrament.

I’m very disappointed in Mel. Someone posted a pic of him a while ago that showed him wearing a brown scapular. They posted, “I love this guy!” Mel, you have let us down. 😦
 
As long as the priests are validly ordained,
their Eucharists would be fully valid.
As for confessions, “supplied jurisdiction” would be necessary.
 
I would be more interested in knowing who the Priest is that says Mass at this church. If it is someone that is in good standing with Rome then I say it sounds OK to me. [/QUOTE said:
The priests’ name is Fr. Stephen Somerville he had something to do with the ICEL google that for more info.
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Here’s the thing. You are all right in suggesting that his brand of Catholicism is out of the mainstream and objectively wrong. On the other hand, I believe the Church’s position – someone correct me if I am wrong – is that the leadership (i.e. renegade priests and bishops) are the ones who aren’t in good standing
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whereas the lay Catholics in such groups are not held as responsible for the schism.
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Following schism is a mortal sin- even for lay Catholics- they can’t do it themselves, but they can approve of it, and help support it. Mel Gibson can go to any indult Mass he wants.
Simply, if we are to be ecumenical, isn’t it a lot easier to be ecumenical with schismatic Catholics who are also traditional? After all, the body of commonality between us and them is rather striking and large.
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I agree. Though I have run into some sedevacantists who seem to act like they’d stone the priest to death for making an honest mistake, they have a fit when the musicians mess up, and they think God made them infallible instead of the Pope- which they don’t believe we have right now.
 
I am just glad that even though he has schismed, he left us with a great portrayal of the crucifixion.
 
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I am just glad that even though he has schismed, he left us with a great portrayal of the crucifixion.
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Kinda Like Bach left us with some of the greatest Christian music of all time but ended up Lutheran.

Hey none of this detracts from the art.
 
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Wisdom:
Kinda Like Bach left us with some of the greatest Christian music of all time but ended up Lutheran.

Hey none of this detracts from the art.
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I completely agree, it is just disappointing is all.
 
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Franze:
I hope he and his father come back to the church
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It’s not going to happen with his Dad barring a miracle. He’s pretty out there in some of his conspriacy theories involving the church.
Mel is pretty loyal to his dad and probably will never go back to Rome as long as his dad is alive. Well maybe there is hope SSPX is talking to Rome again are they not? If he belongs to them you never know.
 
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