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Donna_P
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Unless you claim to be Jesus Christ - no MAN can change whether women should be a Priest. ONLY JESUS!
Get your facts straight!
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Get your facts straight!
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AlanFromWichita
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I’m trying to imagine a woman listening to men tell about their problems with masturbation and with lust after looking at women. “Father, I mean Mother, I mean whatever you are, I find you pretty hot and I’m afraid to say I really enjoy it when you preach about sin.”
Of course, I suppose the women could have a similar problem now.
Alan
Of course, I suppose the women could have a similar problem now.
Alan
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starrs0
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The whole Feminist Ideal of Equal Rights is a smoke screen since they feel that women have been oppressed by men for thousands of years they want to get revenge and give men a taste of their own medicine. Their ultimate goal is they want to get power so THEY can oppress men.
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Steve_Andersen
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why would that be any different than a man listening to a woman tell about her masterbation or lust?
“So…Father…err…what are you doing after confession?”
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dennisknapp
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Steve Andersen:
I feel you fail the understand the ins and outs of this issue.
There are stricked protocols when it comes to Catholic belief and practice. The Church cannot just make up something new and call it Church doctrine.
It can only pass down that which was given. Women’s ordination has not been given to us in either Scripture or Tradition, therefore it cannot passed down. It cannot be created out of thin air and made a belief and practice of the Chuch.
It was never given to us, we can never recieve it.
Peace
Steve,why would that be any different than a man listening to a woman tell about her masterbation or lust?
“So…Father…err…what are you doing after confession?”
I feel you fail the understand the ins and outs of this issue.
There are stricked protocols when it comes to Catholic belief and practice. The Church cannot just make up something new and call it Church doctrine.
It can only pass down that which was given. Women’s ordination has not been given to us in either Scripture or Tradition, therefore it cannot passed down. It cannot be created out of thin air and made a belief and practice of the Chuch.
It was never given to us, we can never recieve it.
Peace
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Steve_Andersen
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Oh I understand it
I just don’t understand it…ifyouknowwhatImean
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dennisknapp
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Steve Andersen:
Tell me, how could the Church, given its modis operandi, declare that women can be priests?
Just by the way the Church deals with this subject, its hands are tied. They are tied by both Scripture and Tradition.
Peace
You mean, you don’t agree with it. There is a difference.
Tell me, how could the Church, given its modis operandi, declare that women can be priests?
Just by the way the Church deals with this subject, its hands are tied. They are tied by both Scripture and Tradition.
Peace
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AlanFromWichita
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Steve Andersen:
[edit] it never occurred to me before, but having to listen to such confessions are really rubbing the priest’s ears in the same sort of stuff that porn addicts love and that priests cannot stand. Then they have to forgive it, in most cases I guess. I totally admire priests for being able to deal with all that stuff and still act halfway normal.
I happen to have reliable knowledge of a particular parish priest in our diocese who has consummated a confession, as it were. Perhaps it had something to do with penance. I know the names of the people involved and have directly worked with the priest, but I have not said anything to the diocese because he is well loved and I really don’t think it’s my place to rat out a priest, especially for something that happened years ago, and did not involve children but a “very consenting” adult shall we say, who managed to snag her quarry.
Alan
Well, actually, I have wondered that. I’d think it might make a man, especially a celibate one, prone to some sort of psychological issues having to listen to all that stuff. One poster said it goes in one ear and out the other, but I can’t imagine all priests are alike in that regard.why would that be any different than a man listening to a woman tell about her masterbation or lust?
[edit] it never occurred to me before, but having to listen to such confessions are really rubbing the priest’s ears in the same sort of stuff that porn addicts love and that priests cannot stand. Then they have to forgive it, in most cases I guess. I totally admire priests for being able to deal with all that stuff and still act halfway normal.
Exactly.
I happen to have reliable knowledge of a particular parish priest in our diocese who has consummated a confession, as it were. Perhaps it had something to do with penance. I know the names of the people involved and have directly worked with the priest, but I have not said anything to the diocese because he is well loved and I really don’t think it’s my place to rat out a priest, especially for something that happened years ago, and did not involve children but a “very consenting” adult shall we say, who managed to snag her quarry.
Alan
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AlanFromWichita
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When I was little, we learned very little except what we were supposed to do.
If you had asked me 35 years ago if women could be priests, I’d have said “of course not.”
If you had asked me 35 years ago if women could be altar servers, I’d have said “of course not.”
If you had asked me 35 years ago is we would have Communion in the hand, I’d have said “of course not. Only the priest can touch the host with his hands, and an altar BOY or another official must hold a paten.”
When we were little, we never even heard the word magisterium and had no idea what “infallible” meant, or anything else. We had no idea the difference between dogma and custom.
All we were taught is what we were supposed to do and we better understand them the first time and better get it right. Once when I asked why we did a certain thing – I forgot what, but it was some technical thing involving Holy Water or something, probably – I literally got dragged into the next room by my earlobe. For asking why we did a certain thing, my first grade nun grabbed me by my ear and with jerks, yanked me into the second grade classroom and told them they didn’t want me in first grade and would they let me sit in the [dunce chairs] in front of the second graders until further notice?
That’s why we didn’t question anything. Mental assent meant that whenever Sister said something, you said, “yes, Sister” whether you knew what she was talking about or not.
I’m glad I wasn’t an altar server when my FIL was. Whenever they made the slightest error, they got whacked on the knuckles with a heavy wooden ruler.
Now I find out that we can have girls for altar servers, but not for priests. I don’t care too much because I never was an altar server and since i’m married I’m not going to become a priest.
Alan
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Steve_Andersen
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Well if I said that I didn’t understand it that probably means that I don’t understand it.And I just can’t agree with something that I can’t get my mind around……I’m funny that way
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They would probably do it in Latin ;)While scripture and tradition don’t explicitly say women can be priests, do they explicitly forbid it?
Or is it just like usury or a vernacular mass
I’m hardly a scholar but it seems that there are many things not explicitly covered in scripture and tradition and other things that are mere cultural baggage
There is just something about the notion of barring someone from a calling to serve because of their gender that seems to go against the very spirit of scripture and tradition even if it is in accordance with the letter of it.
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I suppose it is important to remember about tradition is that everything that is traditional was done for the first time once and if you do soomething new in a generation or so it is now tradition
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Steve_Andersen
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that why the old George Carlin approach is often the best
“Bless me father I had impure thoughts…impure, impurity, & impureness…thoughts, words, and deeds…body…leg…and covet, father …heavy on the covet.”
Sometimes understatement is best for all involved
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Adonis33
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This poll is rather moot. Women cannot be ordained, so it is irrelevant how men. or women, feel on this subject.
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AlanFromWichita
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You realize, I suspect, that originally the term moot meant open for argument or debate.
In some contexts it means arguable, though not valuable. It used to be used to mean “practice” arguments that legal students would use that were arguable, but of no practical consequence.
Therefore, calling this moot, I choose to interpret using the context that we aren’t going to get anywhere but it’s something we can use to practice our debating skills.
Alan
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TNT
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Should women be ordained?
Absolutely…every last one without any of that discrimination either…old, young, married, single, pregnant, bleached blonde, breast implants, cellulite, tummy tuck…I want them all!
BUT:
**AS LONG AS THEY WEAR A CHAPEL MANTILLA!
(That’s a veil thingy)
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Absolutely…every last one without any of that discrimination either…old, young, married, single, pregnant, bleached blonde, breast implants, cellulite, tummy tuck…I want them all!
BUT:
**AS LONG AS THEY WEAR A CHAPEL MANTILLA!
(That’s a veil thingy)
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TNT
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And you got all that in the land of OZ!
I’m so igornant, I’ll never get to heaven
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dennisknapp
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Steve Andersen:
My point is that there are certain criteria which have to be fulfilled before a belief such as this (women’s ordination) can be made part of doctrine and practice. If there is no way to meet this criteria the issue cannot, and will not, be made part of doctrine and practice.
Those who support women’s ordination are going about it the wrong way. They fail to understand how things are established within the Church. If they were to make their case from Scripture and Tradition, the Church would have no choice but to develope its teaching in this regard.
Peace
“Usury or a vernacular mass?” This issue is very different from the ones you posted. For one thing, the vernacular mass does find support in Tradition. The Latin Mass was the vernacular mass when it was put together. Before that the people used the Greek mass, which was the vernacular of its time.Well if I said that I didn’t understand it that probably means that I don’t understand it.
That of course doesn’t necessarily preclude not agreeing if I did understand but for now I just plain don’t get it.
And I just can’t agree with something that I can’t get my mind around……I’m funny that way
They would probably do it in Latin
Seriously though… I suppose that it would be done the same way they handle any major decision.
While scripture and tradition don’t explicitly say women can be priests, do they explicitly forbid it?
Or is it just like usury or a vernacular mass
I’m hardly a scholar but it seems that there are many things not explicitly covered in scripture and tradition and other things that are mere cultural baggage
There is just something about the notion of barring someone from a calling to serve because of their gender that seems to go against the very spirit of scripture and tradition even if it is in accordance with the letter of it.
Shrug
I suppose it is important to remember about tradition is that everything that is traditional was done for the first time once and if you do soomething new in a generation or so it is now tradition
My point is that there are certain criteria which have to be fulfilled before a belief such as this (women’s ordination) can be made part of doctrine and practice. If there is no way to meet this criteria the issue cannot, and will not, be made part of doctrine and practice.
Those who support women’s ordination are going about it the wrong way. They fail to understand how things are established within the Church. If they were to make their case from Scripture and Tradition, the Church would have no choice but to develope its teaching in this regard.
Peace
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AlanFromWichita
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Actually I cheated. I’m ignorant too, but I quote famous philosophers whose lectures I’ve heard without credit so I sound informed.And you got all that in the land of OZ!
I’m so igornant, I’ll never get to heaven
You should try it; it works great!
Alan
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TNT
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Those didn’t even slow them down on head coverings.
I say, just leave it out (silence) of the next canon law promulgation!
That’s was the “modis operandi” of head covering. You saw how fast those came off!
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TNT
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Alan, you ARE funny!Actually I cheated. I’m ignorant too, but I quote famous philosophers whose lectures I’ve heard without credit so I sound informed.
You should try it; it works great!
Alan
I just drink Barringer’s until it comes to me. I’m on my last 2 oz’s so I need to sign off.
Y’all keep that Doctrinal Development" on Steroids…we’ll get there.
God Bless the “Fruit of the Vine”
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dennisknapp
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I think there is a big difference between head coverings and women’s ordination.
One is a piece of cloth and the other is a Sacrament.
Peace
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