Men's Rights and the Catholic Church

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And by the way, it is beyond my understanding how any man can date or be married to any of those women.
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These women don’t have red horns. They are likeable, acutually have good morals in many ways, fun to be around and many men at the dating age don’t see deep into the future.

The feminists I know are very gentle people until they open their mouths and they do have strong opinions.

And if they are in your family, it is very difficult to be vocal because you don’t want to cause hardship within the family unit at a gathering.
 
silentfactor80 said:
Agreed but feminists won’t allow it. We have to expose their hypocrisy before we even get a seat at the table to train government officials. The standards are different for mens rights.
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I know the problem is that usually radical feminists tend to be too loud, people fall in their trap of “who is a bigger victim” and tend to have very good ways of brainwashing people while people who don’t agree with them tend to be more quiet, and many men stay too quiet about it. People need to be more vocal about it but in a smart way too where you don’t fall into their game.
 
jeannetherese said:
It might be helpful to think of CAF as a part of that evangelization; a forum accessed by members of varying ages.
Do we want to post as authoritative or as acceptable to Catholics, links to sites which set poor examples of respectful discourse? What sort of evangelization do we wish to promote?
Does visiting such websites encourage others to see them as respected sources?
Perhaps there are some Catholic groups which are providing materials written in a more charitable manner?
Perhaps the O.P. might request that the moderators edit the first post to eliminate the link.
I look forward to new links which offer examples of respectful discourse.
May God bless all men and women and children who visit CAF. Amen.
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Yes! I think you hit upon it! Are there Catholic sources that address contemporary Men’s Issues? I do not mean groups like the relatively insipid Protestant ‘Promise Keepers.’

I dare say that Catholic Men need to learn how to counter things like the classic Feminist "Shaming Tacitcs’ that pervades our media. Such things also permeate our compuses as well thanks to Feminist Gender Studies. Things like men that are vicitimized by** ‘Paternity Fraud’** see here: youtube.com/watch?v=bfjZNYV8-2E. Of course the Catholic answer to Paternity Fraud is to obey the Scriptures - yes? But what about the poor sinners (Male and Female) that want to come into the church? Catholic Men need to have awarenes groups to realize and deal with our contemporary societal dynamics. See here: youtube.com/watch?v=N0L3ik9fp-M We need to know that 90 % of the Homeless are* Male*. We Catholic men need to stand up for our fellow man as well as our female counter part. We men need to shed our selves of the concept of accepting the ‘Disposable Male’ that has been perpetrated on men. It needs to be acknowleged the glaring, horrific disparity and anti male bias in terms of child custody. In terms of much longer prison sentences for men.

Please! Show me this Catholic source that addresses these issues. :cool:

For I think there is indeed much male angst amongst young men. Methinks men are really really tired of being the so - called 'Ignored Sex.'
 
Nimzovik said:
Yes! I think you hit upon it! Are there Catholic sources that address contemporary Men’s Issues? I do not mean groups like the relatively insipid Protestant ‘Promise Keepers.’

I dare say that Catholic Men need to learn how to counter things like the classic Feminist "Shaming Tacitcs’ that pervades our media. Such things also permeate our compuses as well thanks to Feminist Gender Studies. Things like men that are vicitimized by** ‘Paternity Fraud’** see here: youtube.com/watch?v=bfjZNYV8-2E. Of course the Catholic answer to Paternity Fraud is to obey the Scriptures - yes? But what about the poor sinners (Male and Female) that want to come into the church? Catholic Men need to have awarenes groups to realize and deal with our contemporary societal dynamics. See here: youtube.com/watch?v=N0L3ik9fp-M We need to know that 90 % of the Homeless are* Male*. We Catholic men need to stand up for our fellow man as well as our female counter part. We men need to shed our selves of the concept of accepting the ‘Disposable Male’ that has been perpetrated on men. It needs to be acknowleged the glaring, horrific disparity and anti male bias in terms of child custody. In terms of much longer prison sentences for men.

Please! Show me this Catholic source that adresses these issues. :cool:
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Is there any official Catholic writings on that matter? I’d be interested in reading it. I would think that pretty much the catholic position is based on the bible and the cathecism but if there is, it would be interesting.
 
I don’t know if there are any shelters for battered men but I do have a case of a guy who has been abused by his wife (the wife is a total nut) and while things have been very difficult in Court, his local church has helped him a lot. I guess most priests will be very willing to help people in domestic abuse situation regardless of sex.
 
Nimzovik said:
Oh yes? If we are to evangelize the world, as our Holy Church asks of the laity, then we must know what is going on in the World- yes? If one is sooooo offended by such rough terms then how is one going to minister to the world? There is far, far worse out there than such relative trivialities methinks.

No. We must meet them where they are. We do not have to become them,but we must be knowlegeble, in order to engage the world
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This is their effort to “evangelize” me regarding their cause. If they want to be taken seriously, then they need to use professional language.

My comments are more directed to the OP, as he expects me to read his sources to understand his cause. Not going to happen.
 
marymary1975 said:
I don’t know if there are any shelters for battered men but I do have a case of a guy who has been abused by his wife (the wife is a total nut) and while things have been very difficult in Court, his local church has helped him a lot. I guess most priests will be very willing to help people in domestic abuse situation regardless of sex.
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Perhaps. However one must recognize that Catholics have NO physical shelters for battered men, now* do* they? This factor is especially appalling as both sexes initiate violence on an approximately 50% to 50% ratio!

Yes. Men are relatively ignored yes?
 
runningdude said:
This is their effort to “evangelize” me regarding their cause. If they want to be taken seriously, then they need to use professional language.

My comments are more directed to the OP, as he expects me to read his sources to understand his cause. Not going to happen.
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While I certainly agree with you in terms of Men’s groups needing to be above the Feminst groups and should use ‘professional language,’ I would assert that it would be unwise to ignore such a tsunami of angst that Men’s Groups are trying to get recognized, simply due to their lack of language skills…

Pssssst…Not all men’s groups employ such language. Methinks SilentFactor80 posted some rather well done works that do indeed prsent the Male case in an erudite manner.
 
marymary1975 said:
Well given that feminism is heavily anti-life, promotes contraception, sex before marriage and is heavily and openly anti catholic, I wouldn’t put the words catholic and feminism in the same sentence. If you are for equality, reducing poverty and helping others that all falls into the catholic label, no need to add anything else.
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I could not agree with you more.

Why any Catholic would accept the term Feminsit is wayyyyyyy beyond me.
 
Nimzovik said:
Perhaps. However one must recognize that Catholics have NO physical shelters for battered men, now* do* they? This factor is especially appalling as both sexes initiate violence on an approximately 50% to 50% ratio!

Yes. Men are relatively ignored yes?
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Well precisely is what I said in the beginning, people need to be helped regardless of sex and then catholics need to expand their shelters. But then again comes to what I said in the beginning, most cases where men are ignored or oppressed tend to involve other men, up in the chain of power discriminating men (judges, cops, bosses, priests). That is why I said makes no point for men’s activist to get into discussions with feminists, they need to work with other men to end all this.
 
Nimzovik said:
I could not agree with you more.

Why any Catholic would accept the term Feminsit is wayyyyyyy beyond me.
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I can’t understand it either as both are mutually exclusive. To me articles like that are terribly worrisome as it seems as an attempt to “brainwash” catholic women to try to drag them (without them noticing it) into the anti-life movement.

And just like I said to someone on another post, even less I can understand catholic men who date or marry feminists.
 
Nimzovik said:
Are there Catholic sources that address contemporary Men’s Issues?
We Catholic men need to stand up for our fellow man as well as our female counter part.
Please! Show me this Catholic source that addresses these issues.
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From The Bible (Douay Rheims):
Deuteronomy 5:
[6] I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. [7] Thou shalt not have strange gods in my sight. [8] Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any things, that are in heaven above, or that are in the earth beneath, or that abide in the waters under the earth. [9] Thou shalt not adore them, and thou shalt not serve them. For I am the Lord thy God, a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon their children unto the third and fourth generation, to them that hate me, [10] And shewing mercy unto many thousands, to them that love me, and keep my commandments.

[11] Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for he shall not be unpunished that taketh his name upon a vain thing. [12] Observe the day of the sabbath, to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee. [13] Six days shalt thou labour, and shalt do all thy works. [14] The seventh is the day of the sabbath, that is, the rest of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not do any work therein, thou nor thy son nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant nor thy maidservant, nor thy ox, nor thy ***, nor any of thy beasts, nor the stranger that is within thy gates: that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest, even as thyself. [15] Remember that thou also didst serve in Egypt, and the Lord thy God brought thee out from thence with a strong hand, and a stretched out arm. Therefore hath he commanded thee that thou shouldst observe the sabbath day.

[16] Honour thy father and mother, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee, that thou mayst live a long time, and it may be well with thee in the land, which the Lord thy God will give thee. [17] Thou shalt not kill. [18] Neither shalt thou commit adultery. [19] And thou shalt not steal. [20] Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.

[21] Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife: nor his house, nor his field, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is his. [22]
Matthew 5:
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. [4] Blessed are the meek: for they shall possess the land. [5] Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

[3] The poor in spirit: That is, the humble; and they whose spirit is not set upon riches.

[6] Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after justice: for they shall have their fill. [7] Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. [8] Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God. [9] Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called children of God. [10] Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

[11] Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: [12] Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.

May you and all who visit this thread be blessed. Amen.
 
marymary1975 said:
I can’t understand it either as both are mutually exclusive. To me articles like that are terribly worrisome as it seems as an attempt to “brainwash” catholic women to try to drag them (without them noticing it) into the anti-life movement.

And just like I said to someone on another post, even less I can understand catholic men who date or marry feminists.
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Yah. No kidding.
 
runningdude said:
This is their effort to “evangelize” me regarding their cause. If they want to be taken seriously, then they need to use professional language.

My comments are more directed to the OP, as he expects me to read his sources to understand his cause. Not going to happen.
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I apologize for the second link as I did not screen every article they wrote. I did however present links to several in print books that ARE written by professionals. In case you missed them:

The Myth of Male Power
Women Can’t Hear What Men Don’t Say: Destroying Myths, Creating Love
The Manipulated Man
The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men
Why Men Earn More: The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap – and What Women Can Do About It
The War Against Men

They are all available on Amazon and written in good language. You should pay particular attention to The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men because it shows the rampant discrimination against boys in the education system.
 
I very rarely watch movies .Time after time on these forums there have been discussions about movies and what the USCCB allows - usual one that is brought up is Sclindlers List (R) nudity, language which is approved for viewing.

So now some well-done youtube videos on women and men issues and because there may be a few “choice” words in I am not suppose to watch th/em

Is this church teaching?

There is a a prolife group, Feminists for Life
 
marymary1975 said:
I can’t understand it either as both are mutually exclusive. To me articles like that are terribly worrisome as it seems as an attempt to “brainwash” catholic women to try to drag them (without them noticing it) into the anti-life movement.

And just like I said to someone on another post, even less I can understand catholic men who date or marry feminists.
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Excuse me - I read a bumper sticker once that said ‘anyone who believes that women deserve better than to be treated like a small deposit of seagull poo on the windscreen of life is a feminist’.

Since I presume you fall into that category, I guess you are indeed a feminist. It simply depends on your definition/understanding of what feminism is.

Now when I was very young, before I’d even heard the f word, I knew of women such as Elizabeth I and St Joan of Arc who did not fit the traditional mould whereby women were expected to marry or enter religious life if they were to have any status or impact. As well as women such as my mother and grandmother who combined well very active and involved parenting with demanding and satisfying work (in Mum’s case as a doctor) which contributed greatly to their communities.

I didn’t need to know the f word to be an f word, neither did they.
 
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