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If anyone is interested in the latest JW tract I have put it in a PDF file. Just PM me, and I can e-mail it to you. It is called "THE END OF FALSE RELIGION IS NEAR!
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e-catholic
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O.K. this is the first time I have done this. I just noticed that I can upload attachments. So here it goes.
You can still pm me if you want me to e-mail the pdf. file. This one is a text file.I couldn’t upload the pdf. maybe it was too big.
Yeah, it worked.
You can still pm me if you want me to e-mail the pdf. file. This one is a text file.I couldn’t upload the pdf. maybe it was too big.
Yeah, it worked.
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MyPhilomena
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In the tract, they state this:
What does the future hold for religions that produce rotten fruit?
Jesus warned: “Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire.” (Matthew 7:19)
do they not realize that when Jesus says fthat Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire that He is talking about hell? guess not considering they do not believe in
hell.
when it comes to the soul, they are also completely wrong, it does survive the body after death, if not why then would there be
a scripture that states : fear not man who can kill the body, but not the soul, fear both Him who can destroy both body and soul.
So, when it comes to the soul. they are totally in denial.
As for them supposedly loving their neighbor as they would themselves? their process of shunning family or friends who have rightly questioned what the falsetower teaches is a terrible practice. they cut them totally off and refuse to accept them back, unless the person humbly comes back and admits his so called wrongdoing. They are hypocrites becaise of the way they not only treated me, but thousands of others, and those who lost their loved ones, and those who lost their lives because of a lackof a transplant, or blood. Is this loving ones neighbor as they would themselves? no!
they state also this in that tract: " (Revelation 17:17)Yes,God will call false religion to account for all the despicable acts she has committed in his name. In a stroke of perfect justice, he will use her political paramours as his instrument of execution."
The watchtower has commited terrible acts as they claim they speak for God, as we know, the blood and transplant issue, the false predictions of the end of the world, and the abuse scandal
racism, and shunning. list goes on and on… their ties to the UN
even though they deny it, they have had a tie to the UN. liars wouldn’t you say?
They say this in the tract: "• TRUSTS GOD’S WORD: Instead of teaching “tradition” and “commands of men as doctrines,” true religion bases its doctrine on God’s Word, the Bible. (Matthew 15:6-9)Why? Because “all Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight.”
-2 Timothy 3:16.
Can YOU trust their bible? No! they have changed the wording of their bible to suit their beliefs, see John 1:1 as an example. Look at the bible, then look at theirs, and see the changing of the words of John 1:1, in their rendition, they deny the divinity of Christ.
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What does the future hold for religions that produce rotten fruit?
Jesus warned: “Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire.” (Matthew 7:19)
do they not realize that when Jesus says fthat Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire that He is talking about hell? guess not considering they do not believe in
hell.
when it comes to the soul, they are also completely wrong, it does survive the body after death, if not why then would there be
a scripture that states : fear not man who can kill the body, but not the soul, fear both Him who can destroy both body and soul.
So, when it comes to the soul. they are totally in denial.
As for them supposedly loving their neighbor as they would themselves? their process of shunning family or friends who have rightly questioned what the falsetower teaches is a terrible practice. they cut them totally off and refuse to accept them back, unless the person humbly comes back and admits his so called wrongdoing. They are hypocrites becaise of the way they not only treated me, but thousands of others, and those who lost their loved ones, and those who lost their lives because of a lackof a transplant, or blood. Is this loving ones neighbor as they would themselves? no!
they state also this in that tract: " (Revelation 17:17)Yes,God will call false religion to account for all the despicable acts she has committed in his name. In a stroke of perfect justice, he will use her political paramours as his instrument of execution."
The watchtower has commited terrible acts as they claim they speak for God, as we know, the blood and transplant issue, the false predictions of the end of the world, and the abuse scandal
racism, and shunning. list goes on and on… their ties to the UN
even though they deny it, they have had a tie to the UN. liars wouldn’t you say?
They say this in the tract: "• TRUSTS GOD’S WORD: Instead of teaching “tradition” and “commands of men as doctrines,” true religion bases its doctrine on God’s Word, the Bible. (Matthew 15:6-9)Why? Because “all Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight.”
-2 Timothy 3:16.
Can YOU trust their bible? No! they have changed the wording of their bible to suit their beliefs, see John 1:1 as an example. Look at the bible, then look at theirs, and see the changing of the words of John 1:1, in their rendition, they deny the divinity of Christ.
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MyPhilomena
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They state this in the tract: " • PRACTICES LOVE: True worshippers are “no part of the world,” are not divided by race or culture, and display ‘love among themselves.’ (John 13: 35; 17:16;Acts 10:34,35) Rather than killing one another, they are willing to die for one another’-I John 3:16.
They are perfectly willing to die for the WTB&TS! not divided by race and culture? Baloney! They have allowed members of their organization to racially discriminate against myself, and my mother. I have seen it first hand, and witnessed some of their members discriminate against Native Canadians. If they TRULY had love among themselves, they would NOT discriminate against others, and they would NEVER cut down anyones right to believe what they want. that is religious discrimination which they have shown towards my family, and myself, and
countless others in the organization who have celebrated the birth of our Lord, and gone to other churches, they kick them out and shun them. they practice this also in my opinion by cutting down the worlds religions and brainwashing their members indoctrinatiing them into believing that only theirs is the right belief, and if you go against that, and were to go to another church, your out and you no longer get to see your friends or family. that to me sounds like emotional blackmaill. they call it protecting their members?!? from what? the truth! that’s what they “protect” them from, outside influence that could lead souls to freedom, so they use emotional
blackmail and state that if you do such and such, you are out, and you cannot talk to your friends or family. they call this an act of love, lies! it is harmful and no matter how you slice it and dice it, black mail is black mail. shunning is shunning. what kind of belief would tell their members that if you do not do what the watchtower says, your damned for all eternity? that is NOT love!
That is blackmail, and it is wrong, morally and ethically wrong! To use that kind of fear to keep their members in line is wrong. That is not love, nor is it a practice of TRUE religion! Christ has given us the sacrament of penance so that we can ask for forgiveness of sins when we commit a wrong act, and it is forgiven. if you commit an act they do not like, they threaten you with eternal damnation, and they shun you, and they kick you out.
if you take blood, they threaten you with eternal damnation if you do not say sorry to them and they kick you out and shun you. the same as celebrating birthdays, Christmas, speaking out against the watchtower, and so on. it amounts to blackmail and tyranny. The governing body acts like a mini dictatorship, do what we want or else! that is morally an dethically wrong to tell people that they will be damned for all eternity if they celebrate the holidays, exct. Only God can condemn people for all eternity, the WTB&TS has NO right to talk for God on this matter, and they NEVER did.
They are perfectly willing to die for the WTB&TS! not divided by race and culture? Baloney! They have allowed members of their organization to racially discriminate against myself, and my mother. I have seen it first hand, and witnessed some of their members discriminate against Native Canadians. If they TRULY had love among themselves, they would NOT discriminate against others, and they would NEVER cut down anyones right to believe what they want. that is religious discrimination which they have shown towards my family, and myself, and
countless others in the organization who have celebrated the birth of our Lord, and gone to other churches, they kick them out and shun them. they practice this also in my opinion by cutting down the worlds religions and brainwashing their members indoctrinatiing them into believing that only theirs is the right belief, and if you go against that, and were to go to another church, your out and you no longer get to see your friends or family. that to me sounds like emotional blackmaill. they call it protecting their members?!? from what? the truth! that’s what they “protect” them from, outside influence that could lead souls to freedom, so they use emotional
blackmail and state that if you do such and such, you are out, and you cannot talk to your friends or family. they call this an act of love, lies! it is harmful and no matter how you slice it and dice it, black mail is black mail. shunning is shunning. what kind of belief would tell their members that if you do not do what the watchtower says, your damned for all eternity? that is NOT love!
That is blackmail, and it is wrong, morally and ethically wrong! To use that kind of fear to keep their members in line is wrong. That is not love, nor is it a practice of TRUE religion! Christ has given us the sacrament of penance so that we can ask for forgiveness of sins when we commit a wrong act, and it is forgiven. if you commit an act they do not like, they threaten you with eternal damnation, and they shun you, and they kick you out.
if you take blood, they threaten you with eternal damnation if you do not say sorry to them and they kick you out and shun you. the same as celebrating birthdays, Christmas, speaking out against the watchtower, and so on. it amounts to blackmail and tyranny. The governing body acts like a mini dictatorship, do what we want or else! that is morally an dethically wrong to tell people that they will be damned for all eternity if they celebrate the holidays, exct. Only God can condemn people for all eternity, the WTB&TS has NO right to talk for God on this matter, and they NEVER did.
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MyPhilomena
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note: where i say: “they state this in the tract” or, “they say this in the tract”
the tract iam referring to is "THE END OF FALSE RELIGION "
by WTB&TS .
the tract iam referring to is "THE END OF FALSE RELIGION "
by WTB&TS .
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MyPhilomena
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Video of two Jehovah’s Witness Elders announcing a Wrongdoer that he is Disfellowshipped
you can find this video on page 2 of the site :
www.watchtowerinformationservice.org
you can find this video on page 2 of the site :
www.watchtowerinformationservice.org
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Karin
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The Amish practice shunning also…just as a side note.
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MyPhilomena
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Thanks for the point.
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Catholic_Dude
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Well I read the recent “false religions” tract and I was disappointed, it was so short. That being said they packed in quite a bit and it was pretty clear they were talking about the Catholic Church though they pretended not to… 
Anyway I can only imagine how captivating it was for JWs given the tone it was written it. Id say the weakest part was the part about an immortal soul which they really have a weak case for and should be easily refuted. Also its interesting they didnt really set a timeframe for this, no predictions or anything.
Anyway for the ex-JWs how big of a deal are tracts like this “end of false religion”, do they come out every few months or is this a one time big deal event?
Anyway I can only imagine how captivating it was for JWs given the tone it was written it. Id say the weakest part was the part about an immortal soul which they really have a weak case for and should be easily refuted. Also its interesting they didnt really set a timeframe for this, no predictions or anything.
Anyway for the ex-JWs how big of a deal are tracts like this “end of false religion”, do they come out every few months or is this a one time big deal event?
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MyPhilomena
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being out of the organization for so long, i wouldn’t know how to answer the last part of your post, but for me, it is no big deal at all. i’ve heard this rigamorale when i was in the organization tons of times, so its nothing new. they always state the end is near and they only try to find new ways of saying it. this is just the latest tactic in their belief. nothing new.sme old, same old.Well I read the recent “false religions” tract and I was disappointed, it was so short. That being said they packed in quite a bit and it was pretty clear they were talking about the Catholic Church though they pretended not to…
Anyway I can only imagine how captivating it was for JWs given the tone it was written it. Id say the weakest part was the part about an immortal soul which they really have a weak case for and should be easily refuted. Also its interesting they didnt really set a timeframe for this, no predictions or anything.
Anyway for the ex-JWs how big of a deal are tracts like this “end of false religion”, do they come out every few months or is this a one time big deal event?
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pasted from message board at ex-jw site
History of Kingdom News
Mar 1918, Kingdom News No. 1, “Religious Intolerance—Pastor Russell’s Followers Persecuted Because They Tell the People the Truth—Treatment of Bible Students Smacks of the ‘Dark Ages’”
Apr 1918, Kingdom News No. 2, “The Finished Mystery and Why Suppressed—Clergymen Take a Hand”
May 1918, Kingdom News No. 3, “Two Great Battles Raging—Fall of Autocracy Certain—Satanic Strategy Doomed to Failure—The Birth of Antichrist”
1939, Kingdom News No. 4, “Attempt to Wreck Garden Assembly - The Facts”
1939, Kingdom News No. 5, “Can Religion Save the World From Disaster?”
1940, Kingdom News No. 6, “Time of Darkness - Isaiah 60:2”
1940, Kingdom News No. 7, “Religionists Devise Mischief to Destroy Christians”
1941, Kingdom News No. 8, “Jehovah’s Mandate to His Servants; Witness Against Papal Rome, Nazism, Fascism—Enemies of Christianity”
1941, Kingdom News No. 9, “Victories in Your Defense”
1942, Kingdom News No. 10, “Life In the New Earth Under New Heavens”
1942, Kingdom News No. 11, “The People Have a Right to Good News Now”
1943, Kingdom News No. 12, “The Last War Wins the Peace Eternal”
1944, Kingdom News No. 13, “Education For Life In the New World”
1944, Kingdom News No. 14, “Overcoming Fear of What Is Coming”
1946, Kingdom News No. 15, “World Conspiracy Against the Truth”
Sep 1973, Kingdom News No. 16, “Is Time Running Out for Mankind?”
Dec 1973, Kingdom News No. 17, “Has Religion Betrayed God and Man?”
May 1974, Kingdom News No. 18, “Government by God—Are You for It or Against It?”
Nov 1974, Kingdom News No. 19, “Is This All There is to Life?”
May 1975, Kingdom News No. 20, “Would You Welcome Some Good News?”
Nov 1975, Kingdom News No. 21, “Your Future—Shaky? or Secure?”
May 1976, Kingdom News No. 22, “How Crime and Violence Will Be Stopped”
Nov 1976, Kingdom News No. 23, “Why So Much Suffering—If God Cares?
Kingdom News No. 24, “The Family—Can It Survive?”
Kingdom News No. 25, “Why Are We Here?”
Kingdom News No. 26, “Relief From Pressure—Is It Possible?”
Kingdom News No. 27, “What Has Happened to Love?”
Kingdom News No. 28, “Hope for Ending Inflation, Sickness, Crime, War?”
Kingdom News No. 29, “Is a Happy Life Really Possible?”
Aug 1981, Kingdom News No. 30, “Is Planet Earth Near the Brink?”
Apr 1983, Kingdom News No. 31, “Are We Nearing Armageddon?”
Dec 1985, Kingdom News No. 33, “Life—How Did It Get Here? By Evolution or by Creation?”
Jan 1988, Kingdom News No. 30, (again)
Mar 1988, Kingdom News No. 32, “A United, Happy Family. What Is the Key?”
Apr 1988, Kingdom News No. 33, (again)
Apr/May 1995, Kingdom News No. 34, “WHY Is Life So Full of Problems?—Is a Trouble-Free Paradise Possible?”
Oct/Nov 1997, Kingdom News No. 35, “Will All People Ever Love One Another?”
Oct/Nov 2000, Kingdom News No. 36, “The New Millennium—What Does the Future Hold for You?”
Oct/Nov 2006, Kingdom news No. 37, “The End of False Religion is Near!”
History of Kingdom News
Mar 1918, Kingdom News No. 1, “Religious Intolerance—Pastor Russell’s Followers Persecuted Because They Tell the People the Truth—Treatment of Bible Students Smacks of the ‘Dark Ages’”
Apr 1918, Kingdom News No. 2, “The Finished Mystery and Why Suppressed—Clergymen Take a Hand”
May 1918, Kingdom News No. 3, “Two Great Battles Raging—Fall of Autocracy Certain—Satanic Strategy Doomed to Failure—The Birth of Antichrist”
1939, Kingdom News No. 4, “Attempt to Wreck Garden Assembly - The Facts”
1939, Kingdom News No. 5, “Can Religion Save the World From Disaster?”
1940, Kingdom News No. 6, “Time of Darkness - Isaiah 60:2”
1940, Kingdom News No. 7, “Religionists Devise Mischief to Destroy Christians”
1941, Kingdom News No. 8, “Jehovah’s Mandate to His Servants; Witness Against Papal Rome, Nazism, Fascism—Enemies of Christianity”
1941, Kingdom News No. 9, “Victories in Your Defense”
1942, Kingdom News No. 10, “Life In the New Earth Under New Heavens”
1942, Kingdom News No. 11, “The People Have a Right to Good News Now”
1943, Kingdom News No. 12, “The Last War Wins the Peace Eternal”
1944, Kingdom News No. 13, “Education For Life In the New World”
1944, Kingdom News No. 14, “Overcoming Fear of What Is Coming”
1946, Kingdom News No. 15, “World Conspiracy Against the Truth”
Sep 1973, Kingdom News No. 16, “Is Time Running Out for Mankind?”
Dec 1973, Kingdom News No. 17, “Has Religion Betrayed God and Man?”
May 1974, Kingdom News No. 18, “Government by God—Are You for It or Against It?”
Nov 1974, Kingdom News No. 19, “Is This All There is to Life?”
May 1975, Kingdom News No. 20, “Would You Welcome Some Good News?”
Nov 1975, Kingdom News No. 21, “Your Future—Shaky? or Secure?”
May 1976, Kingdom News No. 22, “How Crime and Violence Will Be Stopped”
Nov 1976, Kingdom News No. 23, “Why So Much Suffering—If God Cares?
Kingdom News No. 24, “The Family—Can It Survive?”
Kingdom News No. 25, “Why Are We Here?”
Kingdom News No. 26, “Relief From Pressure—Is It Possible?”
Kingdom News No. 27, “What Has Happened to Love?”
Kingdom News No. 28, “Hope for Ending Inflation, Sickness, Crime, War?”
Kingdom News No. 29, “Is a Happy Life Really Possible?”
Aug 1981, Kingdom News No. 30, “Is Planet Earth Near the Brink?”
Apr 1983, Kingdom News No. 31, “Are We Nearing Armageddon?”
Dec 1985, Kingdom News No. 33, “Life—How Did It Get Here? By Evolution or by Creation?”
Jan 1988, Kingdom News No. 30, (again)
Mar 1988, Kingdom News No. 32, “A United, Happy Family. What Is the Key?”
Apr 1988, Kingdom News No. 33, (again)
Apr/May 1995, Kingdom News No. 34, “WHY Is Life So Full of Problems?—Is a Trouble-Free Paradise Possible?”
Oct/Nov 1997, Kingdom News No. 35, “Will All People Ever Love One Another?”
Oct/Nov 2000, Kingdom News No. 36, “The New Millennium—What Does the Future Hold for You?”
Oct/Nov 2006, Kingdom news No. 37, “The End of False Religion is Near!”
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MyPhilomena
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as i said, same old, same old, just a different day.
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e-catholic
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When I got my copy from my JW friends it seemed like a VERY BIG deal. That’s just the idea I got from these particular people.
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MyPhilomena
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every publication with them is a “big deal” and so is every meeting and every word that comes out of the falsetower’s mouth. they love to get all excited about a new publication, otherwise what would they have to look forward to besides the same old meetings, same old talks at the podium, same old dreary day in and day out topics. so for a witness, a new publication is a huge deal indeed. i recall when the book “The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived” came out in the mid 90’s, how they made such an enormous deal over it, they couldn’t get enough of it, and they had to order thousands of them so that they could get these books into people’s homes as soon as possible. that is how they operate with new material. the elders hold it up at the meetings
and talk with passion about it, and tell the members how good it is, and get out there and get it to people’s doors as fast as possible because they just got to have that new book or tract out there in the hands of the public so the public can be converted and so on, and on, and on. so yes, this tract will be a big deal for them. For us, for the ones who really know the TRUTH, well,. the tract is just another piece of propaganda that the falsetower puts out.
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minkymurph
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Put any Catholic theologian up against an ordinary JW and they will win hands down? Congratulations you’ve just won an arguement! What else have you achieved? Just because you can get your point across better than someone else is no indication that you are right and certainly not evidence that you are speaking the truth. Our Lord never instructed us to assassinate anyone else’s faith. St. Paul said without love there is nothing and the witnesses say all the time we are not out to win arguements but hearts. If love is not evident as a persons motive, if there actions do not produce good, if a person is left without the inner peace we treasure and the assurance that we are loved by God, you can be restassured the message you are receiving is not from God because God is love.
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MyPhilomena
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minkymurph
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MyPhilomena, my, my what a terrible misunderstanding. I was brought up JW. I left and became a Catholic three years ago. Does that put a different light on what I was saying? Just because a JW thinks (note thinks!) they can beat a Catholic theologian is that the best they have to offer? JW’s attempt to assassinate the faith of others and yes as you say truth wins. I do think though that there are JW’s that it’s a waste of time talking to as no matter what you say you will always be wrong. I pray the Holy Spirit will speak to those who are receptive. My desire is to draw people to God through love. I didn’t know what it was like to be loved by God until I became Catholic and there are lots of JW’s who don’t know what that’s like which is what I would like to pass on. They seek soltice in being right despite being very unhappy people. Sorry if my post seemed a little confusing I didn’t intend it to be and feel free to tell me off if I phrased things in an inadequate manner.
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Church_Militant
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You said it Minky!..I’ve seen that myself. They talk a lot of smack…but when they get me in the driveway outside…they have to shift topics because they can’t answer me.
Hate it for 'em. (but not very much…)
BTW, the Catholic Church kicked their heresies to the curb long ago, since it’s nothing but Arianism revisited.
It’s not about assassinating someone’s faith, (or shouldn’t be), it’s about speaking the truth in love and letting the Holy Spirit do the rest. I don’t wanna argue or win arguments, (I’d rather be playing Command and Conquer, Counterstrike or Warhammer 40,000!) I just want to discuss what is true.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum,
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MyPhilomena
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no no no!!!
i thought in your post you were referring to some of the comments i made. boy, iam severely missing a card in that old deck of mine eh?
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minkymurph
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Sorry, just like to add, if JW’s are out to win hearts why say “I can beat you in an arguement?”
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