MERGED: Excited about the new translation/Countdown/New Translation 11/27

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RobbyS said:
Many music directors are left with so much music that doesn’t fit the new words. I was hoping that this would be the end of the Marty Haugen stuff, but mine is struggling to modify it to fit the new translation.
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There is music to fit the syllables and there is a stretch of the syllables (and hopefully enough vowel sound, easier to do with Italian) to fit the music. Actually we seldom think about it but some of the Christmas carols we sing (Adeste Fideles, Silent Night, etc.) are translations as well, but we are just conditioned to accept the translations as English’s own, even several verses of them, though musically they’re not ideal. I’m neutral on the new translations as I attend non-English Masses but I would hope that new melodies will be written to accomodate each syllable in non-boring fashion. Actually the Church’s ideal would be Deo Jubilate but that’s another thread.
 
We used the new version last Sunday. I still can’t get over blessing God. Like saying “God bless you God, have a good day,” if I was to meet Him on the street. LOL

One person was wondering why in a retreat the person went to, the people also blessed the priest. Seemed strange. Is this the new, “layity are as important as the priests and/ or God. On the same level?” New Agey kind of thing?:confused:
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
I’ve attended some classes on the new translation up at the seminary. Our teacher is someone who had a direct hand in the translation. After hearing him talk about the reasons and the higher language that the liturgy will have…I’m so excited about the new translation now that I can hardly wait!

Anyone else out there that can’t wait either?
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Yep–can’t wait for more rosary and prayer book/Bible reading time–read it and hate it. I am glad some like it–at least we all won’t feel bad.
 
Irishgal49 said:
Yep–can’t wait for more rosary and prayer book/Bible reading time–read it and hate it. I am glad some like it–at least we all won’t feel bad.
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Really? Hate it? You’re not even going to give it a chance? What exactly about it makes you hate it so much?
 
oneofmany said:
We used the new version last Sunday. I still can’t get over blessing God. Like saying “God bless you God, have a good day,” if I was to meet Him on the street. LOL
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One of the definition of ‘bless’ is ‘to honor as holy’. Isn’t that what we are doing in that prayer?
 
oneofmany said:
We used the new version last Sunday. I still can’t get over blessing God. Like saying “God bless you God, have a good day,” if I was to meet Him on the street. LOL

One person was wondering why in a retreat the person went to, the people also blessed the priest. Seemed strange. Is this the new, “layity are as important as the priests and/ or God. On the same level?” New Agey kind of thing?:confused:
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No, not at all. It’s the older meaning of “bless,” which means to give praise. It’s not new age at all, and it’s not surely meant to elevate you to the status of God.
 
oneofmany said:
We used the new version last Sunday. I still can’t get over blessing God. Like saying “God bless you God, have a good day,” if I was to meet Him on the street. LOL

One person was wondering why in a retreat the person went to, the people also blessed the priest. Seemed strange. Is this the new, “layity are as important as the priests and/ or God. On the same level?” New Agey kind of thing?:confused:
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No, it is like the biblical usage. Two examples come readily to mind. One is Job as his trials come upon him:Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
Also, if you regularly pray the divine office, you will come across something from Daniel, a whole litany of bless the Lords as the three men are in the fire, for example:Sun and moon, bless the Lord; praise and exalt him above all forever.
 
oneofmany said:
We used the new version last Sunday. I still can’t get over blessing God. Like saying “God bless you God, have a good day,” if I was to meet Him on the street. LOL

One person was wondering why in a retreat the person went to, the people also blessed the priest. Seemed strange. Is this the new, “layity are as important as the priests and/ or God. On the same level?” New Agey kind of thing?:confused:
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But we’ve always said quite happily ’ Blessed be God for ever’ during the offering of the bread and wine before the consecration. It isn’t a new thing at all, and nothing to do with the new translation… I think it’s actually a quotation from an old Jewish prayer or perhaps a psalm.
 
“Benedicimus te” = “We bless you.” That has been used since, well, the Gloria made its way into the Mass.
 
As I posted above – though I guess this has gotten merged with somebody else asking the same question later – the sense of the word that is being used here is this one (from Merriam-Webster):
4. a : praise, glorify

b : to speak well of : approve
Another example of the same usage is the opening of Psalm 103: “Bless the Lord, O my soul: O Lord my God, thou art exceedingly great.” Definitely not “New Age.”
 
drforjc said:
“Benedicimus te” = “We bless you.” That has been used since, well, the Gloria made its way into the Mass.
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If used in the following sense.

Bene+dicimus - literally, “we speak well of” (like “blessed be God forever.”)

That would be more true to the Latin, no?

It was translated “to bless” several hundred years ago, but it seems as if the word seems overused today. Maybe that’s why the ICEL chose to drop it in the 60’s, but I don’t know that for a fact.
 
YoungTradCath said:
Exactly. Just like “which will be shed for all” is more of an explanation of “which will be poured out for many” when it comes to the consecration of the wine.
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fall fox

You probably know, but the sentence " which will be shed for all " was true, Jesus did die for us all. "which will be poured out for many " seems to be a qualifing statement and it is also a true statement, but it will be those that reject salvation not God that will qualify who will be saved.
 
fall_fox said:
fall fox

You probably know, but the sentence " which will be shed for all " was true, Jesus did die for us all. "which will be poured out for many " seems to be a qualifing statement and it is also a true statement, but it will be those that reject salvation not God that will qualify who will be saved.
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I never said it wasn’t true.
 
MissRose73 said:
I am looking forward to the new translations. Lets hope it brings back more reverence and respect to the Ordinary Form of the Mass.
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What I are talking about? I have never seen a mass with the existing translation that was irreverent. This is a non issue that has been used by so called traditionalists (actually medievalists) who are opposed to the original apostolic tradition of mass in the language of the people.
 
I’m excited for the changes this weekend. Yes, it will take some time getting used to saying consubstantial (sp?), but as my Priest pointed out a coulple of weeks ago while explaining the changes during several Homilies, that with the Creed, instead of saying “We believe in one God”, saying “I believe” makes it more personal.
 
It just sounds new to me on how it is said. The difference is “Blessed is his Holy name” and “bless you God” like we are doing the blessing on God.

His Holy name is Blessed but how can man bless God? Can lay people bless the priest? It is a small thing but sounds not right to me. Oh well.
 
I guess we have to put on hold our excitement here in the Philippines. Because the new and more accurate English Translation of the Roman Missal needs to be translated to the 5 major dialects of the Church here in the Philippines, the usage will be delayed for another year. 🤷
 
oneofmany said:
It just sounds new to me on how it is said. The difference is “Blessed is his Holy name” and “bless you God” like we are doing the blessing on God.

His Holy name is Blessed but how can man bless God? Can lay people bless the priest?
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Evidently this is the argument people use to get blessings from the EMHC instead of receiving communion from them. Unfortunately they can’t do it in the name of God. Our modern usage of the word “bless” has been severely mangled, in my opinion. We don’t normally think of blessing as “speaking well of” anymore. We now think of a blessing as a full approval of some sort, but it’s good that we are becoming aware of it.
 
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