MERGED: Vatican preparing guide for priests on how to celebrate Mass

[curlycool89]

I also wonder if this guide will include anything about the Tabernacle that in some Churches is kept either on a side Altar or sometimes even out of the Church altogether in a “side Chapel” somewhere.

sigh I wonder if people will ever research a bit before saying this?

Having the Tabernacle in a separate chapel or in a side chapel is a tradition in itself - its a Benedictine (monastic) tradition. Many older churches were designed this way.

Having the Tabernacle behind the altar is something started by St. Francis for mainly practical reasons: the chapels he built were small and so there was no side-chapels or altars and so the Tabernacle was placed behind the main altar.

Both options are a part of Catholic tradition (lower-“t” tradition); neither are opposed.

 

[jwinch2]

Having the Tabernacle in a separate chapel or in a side chapel is a tradition in itself - its a Benedictine (monastic) tradition. Many older churches were designed this way.

Interesting.

When I have been to a monastery or to a parish in the care of the Benedictines, I have found this to be the case. There is a chapel off to the side where the tabernacle is kept. When the monks process in for Mass or for the Divine Office, the ones who are physically able, will bow towards the altar, but then go over and genuflect at the door of the chapel where the tabernacle is kept.

 

[CMatt25]

Good enough. I’ll see you at the Spanish Mass then.

Do you attend a Spanish Mass? Is Latin incorporated there too? There’s an Episcopal church near me that offers services in both English and Spanish. The Episcopal priest there told me the Spanish one is by far the heavier attended one.

 

[YoungTradCath]

Do you attend a Spanish Mass? Is Latin incorporated there too? There’s an Episcopal church near me that offers services in both English and Spanish. The Episcopal priest there told me the Spanish one is by far the heavier attended one.

I’d attend a Spanish/Latin hybrid Mass over an English/Latin hybrid Mass.

 

[ProVobis]

Why would a “booklet” succeed if the revised GIRM is being ignored?

Exactly what I’m thinking.

But, as with everything else, be careful for what you ask.

 

[ProVobis]

Do you attend a Spanish Mass? Is Latin incorporated there too? There’s an Episcopal church near me that offers services in both English and Spanish. The Episcopal priest there told me the Spanish one is by far the heavier attended one.

When I don’t attend an EF, I attend a local Spanish Mass on Saturday nights. They seem to be friendly and very devout. I bring along a Latin-Spanish printout and have little problem following the Mass. The English-Spanish one doesn’t work well for me. For the sermon, I just follow the tone.

En el nombre del Padre del hijo y del Espiritu Santo Amen

 

[CMatt25]

It’s not a return to pre-Vatican II. It’s following the instructions from the documents of Vatican II which still envisioned Latin as primary.

So the use of the vernacular was expanded, but from my reading, it does not seem that it was ever meant to be used for the ordinary of the Mass.

But instead of being immediately turned off by a language you don’t understand, perhaps you would like to know why the Church has used it for so many centuries.

unavocela.org/latin.htm

Thanks. I understand the idea of one language universally for travelers for instance. But I felt more at home after Vatican 2 than I would now in a Catholic church with Latin. And I don’t agree with this: “This objection was never made by any one who was familiar with Catholic life and devotion. Did the objector ever see a Catholic congregation hearing Mass? Did he ever see the people approaching the altar-rail to receive holy communion? If he did he must have been convinced that language was an insignificant thing”. Because I am familiar with Catholic life. Yes I’ve seen a congregation hearing Mass in Latin. I attended one weekly as a young child. Sure it was insignificant to people approaching the altar. But we’ll just have to agree to disagree because I still think the vernacular with no Latin used whatsoever including in Christmas carols should always be available. I don’t know how I would have known ahead of time. But had I known that Christmas Eve that a vs of the carol was going to be sung in Latin, and that at another Mass no Latin would be used, I’d have not attended the Mass I did. The way I see it Jesus and His Apostles didn’t speak Latin when they walked with Him during His time walking on earth. They spoke the language of their area or the language they were familiar with. In any case I don’t want to derail the thread from what you all were talking about. I just had a question about Mass and saw this thread. Thanks for all of your replies. God bless! And peace.

 

[Santi2]

I also wonder if this guide will include anything about the Tabernacle that in some Churches is kept either on a side Altar or sometimes even out of the Church altogether in a “side Chapel” somewhere.

That and moving the altar to the Sacristy to allow concerts to be held in the Sanctuary.