Meriting Eternal life?

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I want to know what the RC church means when it says that man merits eternal life? Is it saying that we can earn heaven and make claims on God to reward us with heaven? This seems to contradict the scripture which say that eternal life is a gift and that God owes man nothing. This what a protestant believer said to me:
“God does within, and thus eternal life is a gift that becomes operative through our works as caused by God. Thus we cannot claim reward based on our works, for “there is none righteous not even one… there is none who seeks for God” (Rom 3:10-11). Even our good works are a gift from God.”
I think the RC church also states that all our merits are God’s gift even though we cooperate with God.
 
I want to know what the RC church means when it says that man merits eternal life? Is it saying that we can earn heaven and make claims on God to reward us with heaven? This seems to contradict the scripture which say that eternal life is a gift and that God owes man nothing. This what a protestant believer said to me:
“God does within, and thus eternal life is a gift that becomes operative through our works as caused by God. Thus we cannot claim reward based on our works, for “there is none righteous not even one… there is none who seeks for God” (Rom 3:10-11). Even our good works are a gift from God.”
I think the RC church also states that all our merits are God’s gift even though we cooperate with God.
First of all, where did you hear this?
 
I want to know what the RC church means when it says that man merits eternal life? Is it saying that we can earn heaven and make claims on God to reward us with heaven? This seems to contradict the scripture which say that eternal life is a gift and that God owes man nothing. This what a protestant believer said to me:
“God does within, and thus eternal life is a gift that becomes operative through our works as caused by God. Thus we cannot claim reward based on our works, for “there is none righteous not even one… there is none who seeks for God” (Rom 3:10-11). Even our good works are a gift from God.”
I think the RC church also states that all our merits are God’s gift even though we cooperate with God.
It means we receive eternal life. Our merits are merely God’s gifts of grace to us; any good works done or merit received is just because of God’s grace working through us. God crowning our merit is just him crowning his own gifts (paraphrasing St. Augustine).
 
I want to know what the RC church means when it says that man merits eternal life? Is it saying that we can earn heaven and make claims on God to reward us with heaven? This seems to contradict the scripture which say that eternal life is a gift and that God owes man nothing. This what a protestant believer said to me:
“God does within, and thus eternal life is a gift that becomes operative through our works as caused by God. Thus we cannot claim reward based on our works, for “there is none righteous not even one… there is none who seeks for God” (Rom 3:10-11). Even our good works are a gift from God.”
I think the RC church also states that all our merits are God’s gift even though we cooperate with God.
Cooperate is kind of the key word here…If there is “merit” it stems from our “cooperation” in the gifts that God gives us…

From the Catechism…
2008 The merit of man before God in the Christian life arises from the fact that God has freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace. The fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man’s free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to be attributed in the first place to the grace of God, then to the faithful. Man’s merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit.

Peace
James
 
It means we receive eternal life. Our merits are merely God’s gifts of grace to us; any good works done or merit received is just because of God’s grace working through us. God crowning our merit is just him crowning his own gifts (paraphrasing St. Augustine).
Cooperate is kind of the key word here…If there is “merit” it stems from our “cooperation” in the gifts that God gives us…

From the Catechism…
2008 The merit of man before God in the Christian life arises from the fact that God has freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace. The fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man’s free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to be attributed in the first place to the grace of God, then to the faithful. Man’s merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit.

Peace
James
The parable of the talents (Matthew 25:14-30) is instructive here - if we allow it. Each servant had to take the talents (graces) he was given and multiply them (works). Only when the yield was returned to the Master was merit assigned.
 
Little note…about the name…it is “Catholic Church”. Roman Catholic is more fitting for one part of the Catholic Church 🙂
 
From what I a was now recently told eternal life is based on God’s promise to award not on some contract where he is obliged to reward our works to heaven. Is that not the bases of condign merit?
 
I want to know what the RC church means when it says that man merits eternal life? Is it saying that we can earn heaven and make claims on God to reward us with heaven? This seems to contradict the scripture which say that eternal life is a gift and that God owes man nothing. This what a protestant believer said to me:
“God does within, and thus eternal life is a gift that becomes operative through our works as caused by God. Thus we cannot claim reward based on our works, for “there is none righteous not even one… there is none who seeks for God” (Rom 3:10-11). Even our good works are a gift from God.”
I think the RC church also states that all our merits are God’s gift even though we cooperate with God.
Scripture states, many times, “God rewards each according to his deeds”. St. Paul makes things a bit confusing, and veers can easily be misinterpreted in a Protestant “Salvation by Grace” way. God tells us He will give us what we deserve. So, if we do enough good deeds (see Matt 25), we might merit eternal life. If we fail to do good works, and follow the commandments, we will merit eternal damnation.

‘Merit’ is being used in the sense of ‘deserve’.
 
From what I a was now recently told eternal life is based on God’s promise to award not on some contract where he is obliged to reward our works to heaven. Is that not the bases of condign merit?
Not understanding your terminology here. Could you re-phrase that?
 
From what I a was now recently told eternal life is based on God’s promise to award not on some contract where he is obliged to reward our works to heaven. Is that not the bases of condign merit?
I don’t know that you see the term condign merit in Magisterial text much if at all, but here is a discussion of that from the Catholic Encyclopedia.

Regarding our merits being Christ’s, that is from the Council of Trent (I bolded a couple pertinent phrases):*
Before men, therefore, who have been justified in this manner,-whether they have preserved uninterruptedly the grace received, or whether they have recovered it when lost,-are to be set the words of the Apostle: Abound in every good work, knowing that your labour is not in vain in the Lord; for God is not unjust, that he should forget your work, and the love which you have shown in his name; and, do not lose your confidence, which hath a great reward. And, for this cause, life eternal is to be proposed to those working well unto [Page 43] the end, and hoping in God, both as a grace mercifully promised to the sons of God through Jesus Christ, and as a reward which is according to the promise of God Himself, to be faithfully rendered to their good works and merits. For this is that crown of justice which the Apostle declared was, after his fight and course, laid up for him, to be rendered to him by the just judge, and not only to him, but also to all that love his coming. For, whereas Jesus Christ Himself continually infuses his virtue into the said justified,-as the head into the members, and the vine into the branches,-and this virtue always precedes and accompanies and follows their good works, which without it could not in any wise be pleasing and meritorious before God,-we must believe that nothing further is wanting to the justified, to prevent their being accounted to have, by those very works which have been done in God, fully satisfied the divine law according to the state of this life, and to have truly merited eternal life, to be obtained also in its (due) time, if so be, however, that they depart in grace: seeing that Christ, our Saviour, saith: If any one shall drink of the water that I will give him, he shall not thirst for ever; but it shall become in him a fountain of water springing up unto life everlasting. Thus, neither is our own justice established as our own as from ourselves; nor is the justice of God ignored or repudiated: for that justice which is called ours, because that we are justified from its being inherent in us, that same is (the justice) of God, because that it is infused into us of God, through the merit of Christ. Neither is this to be omitted,-that although, in the sacred writings, so much is attributed to good works, that Christ promises, that even he that shall give a drink of cold water to one of his least ones, shall not lose his reward; and the Apostle testifies that, That which is at present momentary and light of our tribulation, worketh for us above measure exceedingly an eternal weight of glory; nevertheless God forbid that a Christian should either trust or glory in himself, and not in the Lord, whose bounty towards all men is so great, that He will have the things which are His own gifts be their merits. And forasmuch as in many things we all offend, each one ought to have before his eyes, as well the severity and judgment, as the mercy and goodness (of God); neither ought any one to judge himself, even though he be not conscious to himself of anything; because the whole life of man is to be examined and judged, not by the judgment of man, but of God, who will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts, and then shall every man have praise from God, who, as it is written, will render to every man according to his works. After this Catholic doctrine on Justification, which whoso receiveth not faithfully and firmly cannot be justified, it hath seemed good to the holy Synod to subjoin these canons, that all may know not only what they ought to hold and follow, but also what to avoid and shun.*Essentially, God gives man a share of Himself through grace, raising up imperfect souls. He truly shares His merit with us, that it might be ours. The parable of the talents mentioned by po18guy is a great example of this in figurative terms.
 
From what I a was now recently told eternal life is based on God’s promise to award not on some contract where he is obliged to reward our works to heaven.
This is scriptural, and consistent with the Sacred Tradition of the Catholic Church.

Merit means that we are made worthy of the promises of God, not that we are just declared worthy (but are still wretched filthy sinners). God, in His grace, transforms us into the likeness of HIs own son, so that we become the saints He has created us to be.

We are to bear the fruit that befits repentance, and to be light and salt to the world.
 
Scripture states, many times, “God rewards each according to his deeds”. St. Paul makes things a bit confusing, and veers can easily be misinterpreted in a Protestant “Salvation by Grace” way. God tells us He will give us what we deserve. So, if we do enough good deeds (see Matt 25), we might merit eternal life. If we fail to do good works, and follow the commandments, we will merit eternal damnation.

‘Merit’ is being used in the sense of ‘deserve’.
I don’t think what you say is exactly what I was told the catholic church teaches. I don’t think God judges us based on perfect obedience. He is mercy full and will not send us to hell because we did not follow the commandments enough or perfectly. Plus if we do merit eternal life its only based on God’s promise, we cannot make him our debtor and put any claims on him. Merit actually means reward in Catholic theology not deserve, we can never strictly earn heaven. I suggest you read Jimmy Akin’s paper on this issue for it greatly helped me understand the catholic position better.
 
Hi, Vinny213,

I really think you have received some excellent responses here. Let me make a small contribution to the effort and then ask you a question. 🙂

Take a look at Matthew 25. Here we have different stories told by Christ on people who did and did not cooperate with the Grace of God. We cooperate by acting DOING something that is in obedience to God’s Commands - we just do not sit on our hands and claim that we are the ‘saved sheep’ because we have said, “Lord! Lord!” God created us without our cooperation, but He will not save us without our cooperation (a paraphrase on St. Augustine).

Now, my question to you: What is it that you believe? You have claimed you have ‘None’ as a religion, yet you are using some time worn and incorrect Protestant attacks on the Catholic Church. By telling us just where it is you are coming from, I think we could have a better chance at answering your real question. 🙂

God bless
I don’t think what you say is exactly what I was told the catholic church teaches. I don’t think God judges us based on perfect obedience. He is mercy full and will not send us to hell because we did not follow the commandments enough or perfectly. Plus if we do merit eternal life its only based on God’s promise, we cannot make him our debtor and put any claims on him. Merit actually means reward in Catholic theology not deserve, we can never strictly earn heaven. I suggest you read Jimmy Akin’s paper on this issue for it greatly helped me understand the catholic position better.
 
This is my understanding of merit and heaven:
Now, God is a Father, who disciplines children, so he does not go by strict law. We are his adopted children (Rom. 8:14-17, Gal. 4:4-7, 1 Jn 3:2), so a Father would not cast a son out, for small sins, as Hebrews 12:5-12 shows. He disciplines, and molds us into his image. There is nothing in any Scripture which says that in order to be in and remain in his grace in our lives on earth, we must live absolutely perfect lives.

Also:
Furthermore, our merit, or reward, is not based on something that God owes us for our good works, as we could never do anything that would be equivalent to the reward of eternal life; rather it is based on His promise to us of salvation if we follow His will for our lives. We are able to merit based solely on His Word to us.

Keep in mind these positions are not originally mine but are paraphrased on what catholic apologists have told me.
As for my religious beliefs I am currently looking for answers. I consider myself a christian but i don’t consider myself to belong to either protestantism, Catholicism, or eastern orthodoxy.
 
Hi, Vinny213,

OK. We start off with a number of similarities… a difference or two… and my comment on what appears to be an omission. Others may see this a bit differently, but… here goes… 🙂

God is our Father (not sure what you mean by, ‘…a Father…’ there is no one else like Him! :D) And, yes He does discipline us - His adopted children. Now, saying He does not go by ‘…strict law…’ and then just leaving that without any further qualification is problematic for me. Did you get around to reading Matthew 25? I think you will agree that there is real ‘strictness’ being applied to those who have broken the law. There are other examples, but let’s address Matt 25 first.

There are some who deny that man has a Free Will - the ability to chose to obey God or to turn away from God and sin. While Calvin championed the concept of a tyranical god who damned people He created simply because that is what He wanted to do - Calvin had to simply ignore some Scriptures while distorting other Scriptures to make that happen. God really does, ‘…will all men to be saved…’ but, we must use our Free Will to chose to be part of God’s Plan for Salvatin. Now, we can not do even that on our own - we can not will ourselves into heaven on our own. The Holy Spirit must move us with Grace - but, we can reject God’s Plan on our own.

You are really looking at a major challenge - and one that you honestly need to get all the facts you can and then honestly assess what has gone on (beginning in the 4-5th Centuries) and, what is going on today. This is not easy material - but, if you are seeking answers, I think this material will be very helpful:

There are two major errors from the 5th Century (not the 16th!) that seem to call out to wandering souls:

Pelagianism newadvent.org/cathen/11604a.htm

Semi-Pelagianism newadvent.org/cathen/13703a.htm

Fortunately, for all of us, there was St. Augustine - and here is a link you may find helpful:newadvent.org/fathers/1503.htm

Some think that the Bible answers everything - but, refuse to believe Matt 16 where Christ founded His Church (and, that would be the Catholic Church) on weak and sinful Peter. How any group can claim ‘Scripture Alone’ - and then edit out parts they do not like, or provide personal interpretations that are devoid of context and accuracy - so that any verse can be made to mean what it clearly does not say - is beyond my imagination. But, if you want Scripture to look at - take a look at these items:

Mt 5:12, 19:17,21,29, 25:21, 25:34 ff., Lk 6:38, Rom 2:6, 1 Cor 3:8, 9:17, Col 3:24, Heb 6:10, 10:35, 11:6, 2 Tim 4:8, Eph 6:8.

Let me know if you have any questions.

God bless
This is my understanding of merit and heaven:
Now, God is a Father, who disciplines children, so he does not go by strict law. We are his adopted children (Rom. 8:14-17, Gal. 4:4-7, 1 Jn 3:2), so a Father would not cast a son out, for small sins, as Hebrews 12:5-12 shows. He disciplines, and molds us into his image. There is nothing in any Scripture which says that in order to be in and remain in his grace in our lives on earth, we must live absolutely perfect lives.

Also:
Furthermore, our merit, or reward, is not based on something that God owes us for our good works, as we could never do anything that would be equivalent to the reward of eternal life; rather it is based on His promise to us of salvation if we follow His will for our lives. We are able to merit based solely on His Word to us.

Keep in mind these positions are not originally mine but are paraphrased on what catholic apologists have told me.
As for my religious beliefs I am currently looking for answers. I consider myself a christian but i don’t consider myself to belong to either protestantism, Catholicism, or eastern orthodoxy.
 
The following is from Robert Sugenis:

"So we see again that the encyclopedia makes the distinction between “strict justice” and “meritum de condigno.” It understands the former as analogous to “contracts between employer and employee, in buying and selling,” which is the same analogy St. Paul used in Romans 4:4 when he spoke about work being a matter of debt.

Still, condign merit does have some kind of claim attached to it, but it is a claim that can only be based on God’s promise to reward not on a contract that binds God to pay the worker. I can claim, for example, that I have a right to heaven, but I make the claim only on the fact that God promised to give me heaven if I do what he requires. I cannot make the claim, however, by demanding that God pay me by contract, a contract devoid of God’s personal promise but is only a legal agreement. Promise and law are two different things, as Paul argues in Romans 4:13."

So we can only merit heaven based on God’s promise. Heaven cannot be earned but is given as a gift to those who presrvere in grace. So God never owes’ us heaven and he is never under contract to do so. Plus meirt does not mean deserve in catholic theology but it means reward.

Notice the following from Jimmy Akin:

"Thus in Catholic theology, merit is in no way earning, but identical with the concept of reward. Brought about by God’s grace, acts which please God are done by Christians (Phil. 4:18, Col. 1:9-10, 1Th. 4:1, Heb. 13:16, 13:20-21) and God chooses to reward them (Rom. 2:6, 1 Cor. 3:8, 4:6, 2 Cor. 5:10, Gal. 6:6-10, Rev. 2:23, 22:12). These elements, God’s grace, the acts pleasing to God that they bring about, and the reward God chooses to give, are the key elements in the Catholic theology of merit, as we shall see.

The doctrine of merit is thus the same as the doctrine of rewards. To help Protestant readers grasp this and cut through the linguistic confusion experienced on this point because of the associations of the term “merit” in the Protestant vocabulary, they should try substituting “reward” or “rewardable action” or “to perform a rewardable action” for “merit” in what follows. This should cut through the confusion."
 
The following is from Robert Sugenis:

"So we see again that the encyclopedia makes the distinction between “strict justice” and “meritum de condigno.” It understands the former as analogous to “contracts between employer and employee, in buying and selling,” which is the same analogy St. Paul used in Romans 4:4 when he spoke about work being a matter of debt.

Still, condign merit does have some kind of claim attached to it, but it is a claim that can only be based on God’s promise to reward not on a contract that binds God to pay the worker. I can claim, for example, that I have a right to heaven, but I make the claim only on the fact that God promised to give me heaven if I do what he requires. I cannot make the claim, however, by demanding that God pay me by contract, a contract devoid of God’s personal promise but is only a legal agreement. Promise and law are two different things, as Paul argues in Romans 4:13."

So we can only merit heaven based on God’s promise. Heaven cannot be earned but is given as a gift to those who presrvere in grace. So God never owes’ us heaven and he is never under contract to do so. Plus meirt does not mean deserve in catholic theology but it means reward.

Notice the following from Jimmy Akin:

"Thus in Catholic theology, merit is in no way earning, but identical with the concept of reward. Brought about by God’s grace, acts which please God are done by Christians (Phil. 4:18, Col. 1:9-10, 1Th. 4:1, Heb. 13:16, 13:20-21) and God chooses to reward them (Rom. 2:6, 1 Cor. 3:8, 4:6, 2 Cor. 5:10, Gal. 6:6-10, Rev. 2:23, 22:12). These elements, God’s grace, the acts pleasing to God that they bring about, and the reward God chooses to give, are the key elements in the Catholic theology of merit, as we shall see.

The doctrine of merit is thus the same as the doctrine of rewards. To help Protestant readers grasp this and cut through the linguistic confusion experienced on this point because of the associations of the term “merit” in the Protestant vocabulary, they should try substituting “reward” or “rewardable action” or “to perform a rewardable action” for “merit” in what follows. This should cut through the confusion."
You are very perceptive !

I was taught that God’s initial grace to us is UNMERITED FAVOR. And Paul taught in scripture " you are saved by grace, and this not of yourself, but the gift of God, lest any man boast".

Thus, we come to God w/o good works ( of our own making), but we come in simple faith, believing Christ the Messiah, trusting ourself to him, and desiring water Baptism.
Once we receive the gift of saving grace / initial justification… then, good works are of value to us, but they are always works made possible by God’s grace.
 
I was just showing that merit does not mean earn or deserve in catholic theology, only reward. We can never make God our debtor or owe us anything.
 
**“But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.” **Luke 12:48
I think it’s important to consider this principle, that the more God gives, the more is expected of us. And I think we’re expected to develop wills that are more perfectly aligned with His own, perfect, will. Because, in Catholic theology, man’s will, however weak at any particular time, is never violated, and never left out of the equation in regards to salvation. Those wills are the prize, so to speak, IMO, with God desiring to help form, strengthen, and confirm them.

We “will God” the more we hunger and thirst for righteousness, for example; our wills attaining perfection as we come to-and simultaneous with coming to- love Him with our whole heart, soul, mind and strength and our neighbor as ourselves, which is what man’s complete justice consists of. And I’m not sure that there’s even a possible end or limit to this justice which we’re expected to continue to grow in. In this case we* merit* only by our willing response to God’s initiation, a response we’re not forced to make.

**“We love Him because He first loved us.” **1 John 4:19
Adam didn’t recognize or value God’s love, and so dismissed it in favor of something he thought would bring greater happiness. In this he dismissed or, as the Catechism puts it, spurned, God. We’re here to learn how and why to reverse this choice within ourselves, as we learn the value of God and His love-of our utter need for Him-so we may turn back to Him. To the extent we do this willingly, deliberately, our justice is greater, IMO.
 
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