Mexico Deploys A Formidable Deportation Force Near Its Own Southern Border

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No, I completely misread it by not really reading it (I admit I clicked and glanced - which makes me stupid, and that’s fine) but the point stands. I guess they still don’t meet qualifications for asylum status.

There’s no moral high ground involved. If these people are traveling through Mexico with “improper papers”, Mexico has the final say.

I can’t stand behind illegal immigration. “Improper papers” or whatever the wording was leads me to believe they’re undocumented. Assuming that’s the case I can’t blame Mexico for cracking down. And if they don’t meet the qualifications for asylum status, the Mexican government is under no obligation to give it to them.

What can be said here is Mexico really can’t complain about the US wanting to crack down on illegal immigration as they’re doing the same thing. That’s somewhat ironic.

If the US suddenly became a war torn third world nation, I wouldn’t expect Canada to just let me in because we share a border and they’re nice people. Nor would I expect Mexico to let me in just because we share a border and they’re nice people.

I feel horrible for them. But I don’t blame Mexico one bit.
 
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blackforest said:
Come to think of it, we should be admitting more Mexicans who live under threat of narcoterrorism.
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I actually think we should spend that sort of cash and house our own homeless first.

Put coats on cold kids in the winter and make sure no one who lives in this country is hungry at night.
 
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No, I completely misread it by not really reading it (I admit I clicked and glanced - which makes me stupid, and that’s fine) but the point stands. I guess they still don’t meet qualifications for asylum status.
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I’m wondering how you came to this conclusion after only scarcely scanning either article. Are you familiar with the human rights situation in the Northern Triangle?
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“Improper papers” or whatever the wording was leads me to believe they’re undocumented.
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No. “Improper papers” can mean any number of things. People fleeing violence don’t often get time to gather marriage licenses, birth certificates, etc. In some areas, including indigenous areas, vital documents aren’t even issued.

On a sort of side note, I’ve assisted Somalis resettling in the U.S. While they’re still in refugee camps, UN officials will demand marriage certificates, something that most Somalis I work with had never even heard of.

“Improper papers” can also be a politically motivated construct. I’ve lived and traveled in Latin America. Bureaucrats in a lot of those countries can pretty much say whatever they want.

The bottom line is that they were in Mexico legally, as stated in the article.
Pup7 said:
What can be said here is Mexico really can’t complain about the US wanting to crack down on illegal immigration as they’re doing the same thing. That’s somewhat ironic.
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Agreed.
Pup7 said:
If the US suddenly became a war torn third world nation, I wouldn’t expect Canada to just let me in because we share a border and they’re nice people. Nor would I expect Mexico to let me in just because we share a border and they’re nice people.
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I absolutely would. As a Christian and a human being, I 100% stand behind welcoming those fleeing from violence.

 
Wow. It’s either-or? Really?

That’s akin to hearing pro-choicers say they’d rather help born children. It’s like there’s some hierarchy of worthiness.
 
Bradskii said:
I think that I need to know if you have a point to make.
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I think you may be projecting, or overthinking too much.

I posted a story from NPR. Either respond to it, or don’t
Stop trying to be too clever about it.
 
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blackforest said:
I’m wondering how you came to this conclusion after only scarcely scanning either article. Are you familiar with the human rights situation in the Northern Triangle?
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Uhm, because after I figured out my error I went back and read the thing?
blackforest said:
Improper papers” can mean any number of things.
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Improper papers is still undocumented. They have no proof of who they are or where they came from. They are undocumented.
blackforest said:
UN officials will demand marriage certificates, something that most Somalis I work with had never even heard of.
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UN officials aren’t immigration officials, so that has nothing to do with ICE.
blackforest said:
“Improper papers” can also be a politically motivated construct. I’ve lived and traveled in Latin America. Bureaucrats in a lot of those countries can pretty much say whatever they want.
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I’ve lived in Saudi Arabia, a nation where women have no rights whatsoever. I’ve traveled to multiple countries in the Middle East, Asia, and Europe. Trust me, I’m well aware of that fact.
blackforest said:
I absolutely would. As a Christian and a human being, I 100% stand behind welcoming those fleeing from violence.
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As the wife of a legal immigrant with some knowledge of immigration to anywhere, I wouldn’t expect Canada to let me in just because we share a border. I expect a sovereign nation to do what it needs for itself first. I am not their problem.
 
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I felt the article a bit meandering, wandering about the topic in a rather solipsistic manner denoting, perhaps, a hint of cognitive dissonance on the part of the author.
 
Pup7 said:
Improper papers is still undocumented. They have no proof of who they are or where they came from. They are undocumented.
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As the article stated, they were in Mexico legally and with permission from the Mexican government.
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UN officials aren’t immigration officials, so that has nothing to do with ICE.
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I’m aware of this, but that was not the point. Some officials will demand documents that aren’t even issued in some cultures or settings.
Pup7 said:
As the wife of a legal immigrant with some knowledge of immigration to anywhere, I wouldn’t expect Canada to let me in just because we share a border. I expect a sovereign nation to do what it needs for itself first. I am not their problem.
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We’ll never reconcile this difference, but the Gospels make it pretty clear that we’re all each other’s problem.
 
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It’s a typical NPR-style “human interest” story, for better and for worse. I’d like to get @Theo520 to share his thoughts on it because he started the thread.
 
blackforest said:
We’ll never reconcile this difference, but the Gospels make it pretty clear that we’re all each other’s problem.
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You’re right. Because I don’t believe I’m the problem of another government, which is what immigration is actually about in that regard. I am not the problem of Canada if the US goes to pot. I’m just not.

You honestly expect another sovereign nation to just throw open its borders because there’s trouble below or above them? I don’t.
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Some officials will demand documents that aren’t even issued in some cultures or settings.
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Yes, I know this. I’ve been accosted at the border in Riyadh’s airport more than once for Muslim-related documents I clearly don’t have, and won’t have as an identified Christian on my entry/exit visa.

It’s bedtime here. Good night. 🤫
 
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You’re right. Because I don’t believe I’m the problem of another government , which is what immigration is actually about in that regard. I am not the problem of Canada if the US goes to pot. I’m just not.
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That’s well and good as your personal opinion, but the Catholic Church disagrees with you.
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Yes, I know this. I’ve been accosted at the border in Riyadh’s airport more than once for Muslim-related documents I clearly don’t have, and won’t have as an identified Christian on my entry/exit visa.
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I’ve had a similar experience abroad and can’t imagine having faced it in a Muslim theocracy. 😯

Buenas noches. 💤
 
Indeed. Your are right. The NPR style can leave many feeling as if planet-struck, their senses rendered inaccessible to the rational mind lending one’s faculties to sink stealthily and unwittingly into a rare state of apoplexy as article upon article deals most ambiguously with apparently dark and perplexing societal problems, sometimes cursorily, less frequently with any genuine scholarship or true insight, but in every case occupying a few paragraphs, a few pages, or at most a chapter of an extensive and divaricating study, attempting to knit together facts and circumstances and mere legends as to form a narrative appearing at first glance substantive but lacking any true substance but the emotional residue of the author.
 
blackforest said:
It’s like there’s some hierarchy of worthiness.
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Yes. American citizens should have way more rights -
than someone who sneaked in - in the dead of the night - yesterday - in the USA.
Especially our veterans !
God bless our USA veterans !
 
blackforest said:
That’s well and good as your personal opinion, but the Catholic Church disagrees with you.
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The fact is, however, that the Catholic Church has no control over the government of Canada or any other sovereign nation (except, obviously, the Vatican). No need to provide a link because regardless of what it teaches, that happens to be a fact. I don’t understand why disagreeing with my saying that a foreign government is not responsible for me is so important, because they’re not; it’s a legal fact. There’s no need to keep attempting to drive that home on me, because I will always disagree.

Editing to add that the Church also teaches us to uphold laws. Illegal immigration is breaking the law, and therefore I can’t stand behind it. I’ve never said mistreat the people, I’ve never said be cruel or unkind. I’ve said I can’t back illegal immigration. Mostly because it’s illegal.
 
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