Mexico Deploys A Formidable Deportation Force Near Its Own Southern Border

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Did you read the article that I posted as a follow-up to yours? They’re seeking asylum in both places.

Also, they’re technically asylees, not refugees.
 
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Pup7 said:
The fact is, however, that the Catholic Church has no control over the government of Canada or any other sovereign nation (except, obviously, the Vatican). No need to provide a link because regardless of what it teaches, that happens to be a fact. I don’t understand why disagreeing with my saying that a foreign government is not responsible for me is so important, because they’re not; it’s a legal fact. There’s no need to keep attempting to drive that home on me, because I will always disagree.
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You’re equivocating in this this thread between what is and what ought to be. Upthread you articulated your beliefs:
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You’re right. Because I don’t believe I’m the problem of another government , which is what immigration is actually about in that regard. I am not the problem of Canada if the US goes to pot. I’m just not.
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I pointed out that your personal beliefs counter Roman Catholic teaching. You weren’t stating a “legal fact.” You were stating your opinion, and I challenged it.

The Roman Catholic Church doesn’t have control over a lot of unjust laws and status quos. That doesn’t mean I won’t speak out against them.
 
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I’ve cited the Catechism. As Catholic teaching goes, that trumps (no pun intended) any consideration of a Right-wing anti-immigration site.
 
blackforest said:
Did you read the article that I posted as a follow-up to yours? They’re seeking asylum in both places.

Also, they’re technically asylees, not refugees.
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Fantastic, I’m 100% behind supporting legit refugees and asylum seekers.

They are still required to seek asylum in Mexico.

It’s a smart requirement, and follows Church Doctrine on subsidiarity.
It’s very practical. If Mexico has to deal with an influx from their neighbor, then they will show a greater interest in rectifying the governance problem that is causing the situation.

The difference between the two types are nominal but relevant. For others like me not aware of the differences, I just found this article

resources.envoyglobal.com

What’s the Difference Between Refugee and Asylee Applicants?

Most people aren’t familiar with the difference between refugees and asylee applicants (or asylum-seekers), but both groups in the U.S. tend to get a disproportionate amount of media attention.
resources.envoyglobal.com resources.envoyglobal.com
 
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I pointed out that your personal beliefs counter Roman Catholic teaching. You weren’t stating a “legal fact.” You were stating your opinion, and I challenged it.
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I believe it because it is the law. That’s why I said “I believe”. That’s not based in opinion.

I chose the word “belief” in response to your link about Catholic teaching. I believe a sovereign foreign nation has no legal responsibility to me because they just don’t. It’s their laws.

For the same reason I don’t believe in illegal immigration, nor can I back it. It’s illegal.
 
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In the U.S. we do not have an immigration problem… we are at full employment and have no issues associated with having too many people.

We do have an illegal immigration problem and that is caused by a broken immigration system - it takes far too long for legal immigration to happen
 
godisgood77 said:
We do have an illegal immigration problem and that is caused by a broken immigration system - it takes far too long for legal immigration to happen
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Sorry, I don’t agree. I’ve seen the immigration process work. I think it takes longer when people don’t follow the process.
 
MikeInVA said:
Sorry, I don’t agree. I’ve seen the immigration process work. I think it takes longer when people don’t follow the process.
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And in most cases they don’t care, they are getting the benefits without being here legally.
They prefer a long process before they are told they don’t qualify and receive a deportation order.
 
godisgood77 said:
In the U.S. we do not have an immigration problem… we are at full employment and have no issues associated with having too many people.

We do have an illegal immigration problem and that is caused by a broken immigration system - it takes far too long for legal immigration to happen
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I disagree, we could be much smarter in targeting immigrants that fill skill gaps we have in the economy.

The illegal immigration problem is simply that demand exceeds supply, so people ignore the rules to get the benefits.

Full employment is the absolute best thing we can do for our underprivileged. Several years of low unemployment for black teens can have a profound impact for a generation. Instead of getting involved in drugs or perhaps criminal activities, they are learning basic job skills and responsibility that will help them secure their next job, and the one after that. Hard to find a living wage job when you enter your 20’s and have no work record or relevant skills.

I’m very curious what the impact will be to our safety net costs after several years of full employment.
 
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“I believe” statements are by their very definition based on opinion.

As Catholics, we have an obligation toward faithful citizenship, which includes speaking out against unjust laws.
 
Are you sure you’re familiar with “the process?” It is unfair to whine about the need to follow the law when the law is unjust, if not impossible to comply with, from the get-go.
 
blackforest said:
Are you sure you’re familiar with “the process?” It is unfair to whine about the need to follow the law when the law is unjust, if not impossible to comply with, from the get-go.
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What is unjust about the law?
 
My wife is a naturalized citizen, and I know many other naturalized citizens from all over the world. In what way is the law unjust? The only part of the immigration process that I found issue with was the $700+ processing fee. That is a large sum of money and can pose a bar to becoming a citizen.
 
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Pup7 said:
What can be said here is Mexico really can’t complain about the US wanting to crack down on illegal immigration as they’re doing the same thing. That’s somewhat ironic.
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_Yes. I suspect this is what the OP is driving at.
 
blackforest said:
“I believe” statements are by their very definition based on opinion.

As Catholics, we have an obligation toward faithful citizenship, which includes speaking out against unjust laws.
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No, you’re saying that, and arguing with me once I’ve explained my position is pretty petty of you.

As a US Citizen and wife of a legal immigrant, I have a valid stance on legal immigration. Saying taking a stance against illegal immigration is taking a stance against an unjust law makes very little sense. If you’re here illegally, you’ve broken the law. That has nothing to do with Catholic teaching, so please stop telling me that. It’s unnecessary.

Let’s just rescind all the laws, since all of them are unjust to someone.

I have no earthly idea why I’m opening this can of worms, but you might be interested to know I’m 100% for DACA - because if you’re brought here against your will as a minor, that’s not your fault. So I’m not quite the hardliner you might think I am.
 
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MikeInVA said:
The only part of the immigration process that I found issue with was the $700+ processing fee. That is a large sum of money and can pose a bar to becoming a citizen.
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Did they tell you why the fees are high? They did tell us.

The US government does not subsidize immigration fees. We paid a few grand as well…as each form carries a hefty fee. That’s the case in most countries - you have to pay your way. The UK wanted even more for me to move there…
 
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