Michael Flynn pardoned

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He shouldn’t need a pardon. He was a victim of the most disturbing attack on an American election in US history.
 
Pufi said:
Yes, and it should be deleted. Changing the Constitution happened before. First the prohibition, and then the repeal of it.
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Good luck. Both parties use it, and the case of Flynn is an excellent reason for it to be there, as a defense against politically motivated prosecutions.
Pufi said:
The problem is that the Framers were gentlemen and assumed that the next generations will be, too. They could not foresee that some highly dubious characters can bamboozle enough people to vote for him. They were very naive.
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Actually, they weren’t. They did everything they could to try to prevent the centralizing of power. They knew that a strong central government was the greatest danger to the rights of the individual.
So, to protect these rights, they made constitutional amendments very difficult.
Thank goodness.
 
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Trump pardons Flynn, who had failed to register as a foreign agent for Turkey, the day after he pardoned an actual turkey. You can’t make this stuff up.
 
In regards to the Framers: I am sure they never thought one political party would stoop to the behavior the democrat party did over the
last 4 years. @Pufi
 
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I’m not American so maybe someone could clarify this Presidential pardon authority.

By definition a pardon sets aside the punishment for a crime committed. It’s not logical to say a pardon can be given to someone who has not committed a crime. To me that is nonsensical but is it really the case in the US that someone can get a pardon for not having committed a crime??

Second, is it correct that pardons do not apply to State crimes.
 
Montrose said:
It’s not logical to say a pardon can be given to someone who has not committed a crime. To me that is nonsensical but is it really the case in the US that someone can get a pardon for not having committed a crime??

Second, is it correct that pardons do not apply to State crimes.
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In order to accept a pardon (or commutation), a person must admit that he or she is guilty of the crime charged.

A president cannot pardon a state crime conviction but the governor of the state in question can.
 
A president can pardon a federal crime.

State crimes can be pardoned by the governors of each state.
 
Nepperhan said:
In order to accept a pardon (or commutation), a person must admit that he or she is guilty of the crime charged.
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That would mean Trump cannot pardon himself or his family as none of them have committed a federal crime (yet).
 
Roselle said:
Glad to see general Flynn was given a pardon.
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Of course. Why not? He only lied more than once to the Federal authorities. Who cares?
He does not deserve a pardon. He committed a crime!
 
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Montrose said:
By definition a pardon sets aside the punishment for a crime committed. It’s not logical to say a pardon can be given to someone who has not committed a crime. To me that is nonsensical but is it really the case in the US that someone can get a pardon for not having committed a crime??
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Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon, who had not yet been charged or indicted. The article I linked to in post #5 spells out what the constitution provides and how it has been interpreted.
Nepperhan said:
Trump pardoned his cronies who got caught and convicted. This wasted millions of federal prosecution dollars.
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The millions of dollars were spent to undermine a legitimate election. This was all part of the “insurance policy”. Flynn was a victim of a perjury trap.
There is something we can all learn from this: do not talk to the FBI, even on something apparently innocuous, without legal counsel. They can legally lie to you to set a perjury trap.
Nepperhan said:
Obama did not do that.
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What he did do is put into motion an attempt to undermine his successor in office.
 
JonNC said:
Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon, who had not yet been charged or indicted.
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This has not been tested in court. Basically nobody cared as Nixon had already resigned.
Also the pardon was limited to Nixon’s time as President. It did not cover future crimes he might commit as a private citizen and it did not cover State crimes.
 
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Montrose said:
This has not been tested in court. Basically nobody cared as Nixon had already resigned.
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I don’t think there is any constitutional issue with it.
Montrose said:
It did not cover future crimes he might commit as a private citizen and it did not cover State crimes.
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I don’t think anyone is claiming it would cover any future crimes. Flynn’s pardon is for the “crime” he plead guilty to.
 
JonNC said:
I don’t think anyone is claiming it would cover any future crimes. Flynn’s pardon is for the “crime” he plead guilty to.
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Personally he should be in jail but yes the President does have the authority to pardon his cronies.
In the case of Trump who is mulling over a pardon for himself and his family he wants it to cover crimes he has not even committed yet. Obviously he is delusional, if not insane!
 
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