Michele Bachmann signed marriage pact suggesting black families were better off during slavery

[Not_Sure_1]

The pledge is not racist, it is just objectively stating that sadly, statistically speaking, during the age of black slavery their families were stronger and more likely more traditional, two parent raising of children than now. Now, more black children seem to be illegitimate and raised by single mothers. It is a sad statistic, but stating the truth is not racist.

It’s like saying the economy was better under Hitler, it’s just an objective stating of fact not an endorsement of a regime or practice.

 

[Zhenia]

What really irks me is why someone would even suggest that blacks families were better off during slavery, especially considering that the parents of slaves were often sold to other people

Booker T Washington, a black Southern leader from the turn of the 20th century, once said that blacks had it better under slavery than they would have if they had stayed in Africa. I suspect that is why he is not well liked by modern PC blacks.

 

[RobbyS]

I hope I don’t sound like an Uncle Tom bit I don’t think there is any racism in this. Black families where better off prior to the 1960s and the War on Poverty policies. Declaration doesn’t say slavery was a good thing, but that family structures were more stable. It would sound better if they just said what I said.

I agree. Sixty years ago, young men in thre South, even men without fathers, had respect for the older men in the communities. My impression is that has gone away.

 

[RobbyS]

Booker T Washington, a black Southern leader from the turn of the 20th century, once said that blacks had it better under slavery than they would have if they had stayed in Africa. I suspect that is why he is not well liked by modern PC blacks.

Part of this is that few blacks know, or at least refuse to acknowledge the existence of the slave trade with the Arabs, or the earlier trade with the Roman world. It is worth pointing out that millions of blacks disappeared into the Muslim world with little physical trace outside of Sudan and Egypt. By contrast, almost as many men of African descent live in the Americans as in Africa herself.

 

[Zhenia]

Part of this is that few blacks know, or at least refuse to acknowledge the existence of the slave trade with the Arabs, or the earlier trade with the Roman world. It is worth pointing out that millions of blacks disappeared into the Muslim world with little physical trace outside of Sudan and Egypt. By contrast, almost as many men of African descent live in the Americans as in Africa herself.

I know…in fact, the slave trade in Africa was largely run by North African Arab Muslims. Black, subSaharan African tribes would war with each other, and the winning tribe got to pick the “best” of the losers for their own personal slaves, and they sold the rest into slavery to the North Africans. They in turn sold them to Europeans, who in turn sold them to North Americans.

The North (you know, the ones who went to war with the South, supposedly to free slaves?) had a very lucrative business going with slavery. They convinced Southern plantation owners that African slaves would be better than the white indentured servants they had been using, because the indentured servants would be free after a set period, but slaves would never be.

The South was on the receiving end of the slavery issue; many, many others made a very big profit on slavery, everyone from the winning black African tribes to the North African slave traders to the Europeans to the Northerners in America.

 

[Dale_M]

I am astonished that people here are defending the original wording of the pledge put forward by The Family Leader. However, perhaps such tone deafness is why The Family Leader originally put forward such an offensive statement. The people who defend that original statement have been unwilling to offer any evidence in support of it. But what is even more sad is that defenders are unwilling to acknowledge the hurt caused by their position.

 

[Darryl1958]

I am astonished that people here are defending the original wording of the pledge put forward by The Family Leader. However, perhaps their tone deafness is why The Family Leader originally put forward such an offensive statement. The people who defend that original statement have been unwilling to offer any evidence in support of it. But what is even more sad is that defenders are unwilling to acknowledge the hurt caused by their position.

Being looked down upon as not even human, being called ‘boy’ by even those junior in years, is an immensely humiliating and hurtful position for anyone to be placed in.

‘Live free or die’ is the the motto of at least one American state. Americans especially ought to know then, that even death is better than slavery.

That is what the American message to the world has been, after all. That is the very definition of America.

As horrible as the state of family is in America today—and doubly so for the black family— nothing, absolutely nothing, was worse than being deemed a slave due to one’s very nature. This was the original sin that America was born with, and needed to be redeemed from.

This is something that all Americans really ought to know, to feel deeply to the very core of their being even.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

After signing this “pledge”, Bachmann is basically out of the running for the nomination. Had she and the other guy taken the time to read it, I doubt that either would have signed it. Now that the racist commentary has been taken out, let’s see how fast the others sign it. Do you really think they will??? I don’t. Gingrich won’t. Romney won’t. Cain won’t. (Cause he doesn’t like to read.)

The Swiftboat is heading towards any one who is signing this silliness!

How is it racist other than a statement of fact? UNcomfortable fact, but fact nonetheless. Are black people afraid of facts?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I know…in fact, the slave trade in Africa was largely run by North African Arab Muslims. Black, subSaharan African tribes would war with each other, and the winning tribe got to pick the “best” of the losers for their own personal slaves, and they sold the rest into slavery to the North Africans. They in turn sold them to Europeans, who in turn sold them to North Americans.

The North (you know, the ones who went to war with the South, supposedly to free slaves?) had a very lucrative business going with slavery. They convinced Southern plantation owners that African slaves would be better than the white indentured servants they had been using, because the indentured servants would be free after a set period, but slaves would never be.

The South was on the receiving end of the slavery issue; many, many others made a very big profit on slavery, everyone from the winning black African tribes to the North African slave traders to the Europeans to the Northerners in America.

Arguing the truth of slavery in America is a loosing proposition here. Most here buy the “official” historical party line on it and are unaccepting of fact that refute the official story.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Being looked down upon as not even human, being called ‘boy’ by even those junior in years, is an immensely humiliating and hurtful position for anyone to be placed in.

‘Live free or die’ is the the motto of at least one American state. Americans especially ought to know then, that even death is better than slavery.

That is what the American message to the world has been, after all. That is the very definition of America.

As horrible as the state of family is in America today—and doubly so for the black family— nothing, absolutely nothing, was worse than being deemed a slave due to one’s very nature. This was the original sin that America was born with, and needed to be redeemed from.

This is something that all Americans really ought to know, to feel deeply to the very core of their being even.

The unborn are looked at by the left as something not human, which is why they defend the policy of abortion on demand. The founder of Planned Parenthood was a eugenicist and sought to eradicate black people from America, true story. The disaster that is the American family today has its roots in 1 organization, Planned Parenthood with its policy of abortion and sex education for children. With its affiliation with NOW and NARAL, its amazing that there are any traditional core families left.

 

[Borealis]

After signing this “pledge”, Bachmann is basically out of the running for the nomination. Had she and the other guy taken the time to read it, I doubt that either would have signed it. Now that the racist commentary has been taken out, let’s see how fast the others sign it. Do you really think they will??? I don’t. Gingrich won’t. Romney won’t. Cain won’t. (Cause he doesn’t like to read.)

No, that wasn’t a racist statement at all. In fact, I’m going to state that clearly, this post was racist and its writer should be censured.

The Swiftboat is heading towards any one who is signing this silliness!

You do know that ‘swiftboating’ is a media term that means ‘told the truth about a Democrat that hurt their election chances,’ right?

 

[_Abyssinia]

Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President,’

Be careful. You all fell for the political slant, the twisting slur taunting that Republicans believe slavery is not so bad. We all know that slavery was bad, especially chattel slavery, the kind our country practiced. The statement says that black families are especially having a rough time now - that they were more intact during slavery! The statement decries what’s presently happening to black families, it’s not justifying slavery. It’s saying black families are having a rough go of it right now.

It’s like using Hitler or the Nazis to show evil. We all know Hitler and the Nazis are bad, that’s the purpose of the comparison.

Sadly, a republican can’t talk about slavery or blacks or their words will be twisted and they’re called a racist. And then good people fall for it. That does not benefit blacks or our country. It benefits Democrat politics.

I agree.

 

[_Abyssinia]

I am astonished that people here are defending the original wording of the pledge put forward by The Family Leader. However, perhaps such tone deafness is why The Family Leader originally put forward such an offensive statement. The people who defend that original statement have been unwilling to offer any evidence in support of it. But what is even more sad is that defenders are unwilling to acknowledge the hurt caused by their position.

Because the article title is misleading. The declaration doesn’t say Black families where better off during slavery but that during those times there were more two parent families than now.

 

[_Abyssinia]

The pledge is not racist, it is just objectively stating that sadly, statistically speaking, during the age of black slavery their families were stronger and more likely more traditional, two parent raising of children than now. Now, more black children seem to be illegitimate and raised by single mothers. It is a sad statistic, but stating the truth is not racist.

It’s like saying the economy was better under Hitler, it’s just an objective stating of fact not an endorsement of a regime or practice.

I agree.

 

[Dale_M]

After signing this “pledge”, Bachmann is basically out of the running for the nomination.

I doubt that very much. This controversy will blow over long before the voting in the primaries and caucuses start. Moreover, the people who turn out for primaries tend to be the base of the party. This issue might have had impact, at least in some states, if Bachmann were running as a Democrat. However, I don’t think many core Republicans will consider this to be a serious issue.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

Because the article title is misleading.

Well, apply that same reasoning to other sources!

 

[Ahimsa]

Because the article title is misleading. The declaration doesn’t say Black families where better off during slavery but that during those times there were more two parent families than now.

And two parent families are “better off” than one parent families, would you not agree?

 

[SamH]

yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President

I guess some people don’t like the truth.

 

[agnes_therese]

And two parent families are “better off” than one parent families, would you not agree?

It was still, IMO, pretty stupid to pick the slavery era for an example of black children being “better off.” I know what point they were trying to make, but they shot themselves in the foot.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

“Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families…”

Talk about an understatement!