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Mike Rowe's letter to fan regarding COVID
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meltzerboy2
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And to help our neighbor and thereby do Gd’s work. Are we doing everything we can to help our brothers and sisters survive this pandemic?
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That’s too much too address in a post via a text from my phone…
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YADA
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Except we dont know about Protest/Riot/Looting data - Contact tracers were not allowed to ask if a COVID positive or presumptive person participated in any display of Protest/Riot/Looting …
Most of the major out breaks in my state - that have been traced - are Care Facilities, Work Place [as in packing plants with Hispanic majority workers not bars], Correction facilities and a rural community with a large Hispanic presence [all of which had spikes occur after the border saw also saw increases in illegal crossings - weird I know - who would have thought?], travel out of state and one childcare facility and one church. A minority of the cases are reported as “community spread” of unknown origin …PDX Metro area does have a significant number - which could be - if someone inquired related to some exposures at Protest/Riot/Looting activities - but like NYC - doubt they want to make that connection and thus - they dont
Most of the major out breaks in my state - that have been traced - are Care Facilities, Work Place [as in packing plants with Hispanic majority workers not bars], Correction facilities and a rural community with a large Hispanic presence [all of which had spikes occur after the border saw also saw increases in illegal crossings - weird I know - who would have thought?], travel out of state and one childcare facility and one church. A minority of the cases are reported as “community spread” of unknown origin …PDX Metro area does have a significant number - which could be - if someone inquired related to some exposures at Protest/Riot/Looting activities - but like NYC - doubt they want to make that connection and thus - they dont
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BlueMaxx
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And what business is it of yours?
Our gift of freedom is both a cause for salvation and a curse of death.
12 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
Mind the own log in thine own eye…
55 O death, where is thy victory? O death, where is thy sting?
56 Now the sting of death is sin: and the power of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, who hath given us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Beryllos
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A harsh and sanctimonious reply to someone who wrote about the Creator’s precious gift of life and our responsibility to live it well and not squander our own life or another’s by taking needless risks.
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Cruciferi
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I’m busy at the moment but I’ll admonish you later sinner. 
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BlueMaxx
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I am neither being harsh nor sanctimonious…I am being honest and blunt…
Perhaps that may be eating at you I dunno…
But if we live in complete fear and do not go about our Fathers business of helping others…which we cannot do if we are couched by fear and locked inside our house suffering all kinds of anxiety, we are failing.
Do you hold onto your life so much you fail to see it is Gods to give and to take away?
Perhaps a little more reference from our Lord…
24 Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For he that will save his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for my sake, shall find it.
26 For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then will he render to every man according to his works.
28 Amen I say to you, there are some of them that stand here, that shall not taste death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
We are suppose to minister, look at all the saints who went straight into the mouth of hell, from persecution, death form plague from violence all sorts of danger to render help to the poor, to the unfortunate, to the sick, to those in prison…to feed the hungry and clothe the poor…to put their faith in God and help. Not just by words and prayer but by action.
I know for a fact there are elderly and sick who cannot make it to Church for the sacraments, would you endanger your life to take a PAX with a consecrated host and enter their house to allow them to partake of the body of Christ?
Or would you say, no that is irresponsible, getting out and possibly getting infected or causing someone to be infected.
Because there is indeed such a need right now…shut ins unable to partake of the holy Host, food, company, someone to speak with because they are homebound, the gentlest touch from another human to let them know Christ IS here and among us.
Or, am I to let my fear of my own death override the teachings of the Church and our obligations?
Did the martyrs and saints before us hide in their hovel with the curtains drawn or in faith go forward and do the bidding of our master?
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, "I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
I am saying we can go about our lives and be careful to to do no harm and still do good…
Perhaps that may be eating at you I dunno…
But if we live in complete fear and do not go about our Fathers business of helping others…which we cannot do if we are couched by fear and locked inside our house suffering all kinds of anxiety, we are failing.
Do you hold onto your life so much you fail to see it is Gods to give and to take away?
Perhaps a little more reference from our Lord…
24 Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For he that will save his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for my sake, shall find it.
26 For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then will he render to every man according to his works.
28 Amen I say to you, there are some of them that stand here, that shall not taste death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
We are suppose to minister, look at all the saints who went straight into the mouth of hell, from persecution, death form plague from violence all sorts of danger to render help to the poor, to the unfortunate, to the sick, to those in prison…to feed the hungry and clothe the poor…to put their faith in God and help. Not just by words and prayer but by action.
I know for a fact there are elderly and sick who cannot make it to Church for the sacraments, would you endanger your life to take a PAX with a consecrated host and enter their house to allow them to partake of the body of Christ?
Or would you say, no that is irresponsible, getting out and possibly getting infected or causing someone to be infected.
Because there is indeed such a need right now…shut ins unable to partake of the holy Host, food, company, someone to speak with because they are homebound, the gentlest touch from another human to let them know Christ IS here and among us.
Or, am I to let my fear of my own death override the teachings of the Church and our obligations?
Did the martyrs and saints before us hide in their hovel with the curtains drawn or in faith go forward and do the bidding of our master?
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, "I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
I am saying we can go about our lives and be careful to to do no harm and still do good…
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BlueMaxx
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If you listen to Mike Rowe and the precautions they all took, they did nothing that any other person going about their life today does on a daily basis.
They all were tested, they tested negative and they were very careful dealing with people on the road.
In turn they brought a little piece of laughter and light in a darkened world.
Whats wrong with that?
They all were tested, they tested negative and they were very careful dealing with people on the road.
In turn they brought a little piece of laughter and light in a darkened world.
Whats wrong with that?
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Thom18
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I like Mike, but if he is insisting on living life as normal based on Dr. Osterholm’s opinions about the “inevitability” of coronavirus, it seems to me that the doctor is just perpetuating a self-fulfilling prophecy with dangerous consequences. “You’re gonna get it anyways, so pretend that nothing is different”. If everyone takes that attitude, then his predictions will most certainly come true, and Mike is using his position to help ensure it.
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Beryllos
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I admit I was irked by your use of Sacred Scripture in combination with bluntness. The Bible may be used for instruction and, with great care, admonishment. I try not to use it to put people down or win arguments.
On this we can agree!
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CaptainPrudeman
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But he’s not, though. He’s taking the necessary precautions: Social distancing when he can and masking up when he can, and he’s tested regularly. That’s about all we can ask for. He’s cautious but not so much so that he’s completely shutting down his life over this. There’s a difference between that and living normally. Perpetuation of the idea that normal life now is being locked inside and only going out so we don’t starve leads to fear like the one in the fan’s letter.
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Beryllos
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Straw man argument? Who is locked inside? At this time, most of the people that I know are taking care of business while prudently adapting to the threat to health posed by the virus.
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CaptainPrudeman
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And so is Mike.
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BlueMaxx
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In my life some of the biggest moments of growth, or the most prevalent change was someone using scripture to back up what they are saying.BlueMaxx:
I admit I was irked by your use of Sacred Scripture in combination with bluntness. The Bible may be used for instruction and, with great care, admonishment. I try not to use it to put people down or win arguments.
On this we can agree!
Somebody said something and backed it up with scripture and it irked me…then it got under my skin…then I was able through the help go God to see what was being said was true, just my pride was hurt.
It happens to me all the time.
I do not use it as a club, but merely to show that it is not just my opinion…we should all do this, iron sharpens iron.
As far as this virus, latest data shows that it has again mutated, and is now easier to spread but less deadly. They are able to tell by the portion spikes.
So it is still those who are already vulnerable or the aged that it is the deadliest on.
Mike Rowe was correct…eventually everyone will have been exposed to it at some point.
I pray for the teachers who are going to have to be around those little ankle biting germ factories, taking it home to mom and dad and the grandparents.
A lot of people are being tested and have had it not even knowing it.
This virus did not catch God by surprise, all things happened because He wills it.
Is it chastisement? I dunno…it is global and feels like it to me.
If you want to be worried then worry that when this thing is hitting certain third world countries it does not latch onto another existing virus and mutate again…like HIV/AIDS or God forbid ebola…imagine if ebola Zaire combined with COVID…an airborne Risk Group 4 Pathogen that would be devastating.
As it is, we have been pretty lucky/blessed.
We have already seen it is able to jump species (i.e. cats and dogs have gotten it, supposedly came form a bat, that es no bueno) so this thing is not to be taken lightly.
We are not there though, and I pray we never are, but if God decides to break a seal and pour it out on the world there is little we can do save cleaving ever closer to our Church.
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BlueMaxx
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He never promised us a rose garden…
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BlueMaxx
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Some say love, it is a river, that drowns the tender reed
Some say love, it is a razor, that leaves your soul to bleed
Some say love, it is a hunger, an endless aching need
I say love, it is a flower, and you, its only seed
It’s the heart afraid of breaking, that never learns to dance
It’s the dream afraid of waking, that never takes the chance
It’s the one who won’t be taken, who cannot seem to give
And the soul afraid of dying, that never learns to live
When the night has been too lonely and the road has been too long
And you think that love is only for the lucky and the strong
Just remember in the winter, far beneath the bitter snows
Lies the seed, that with the sun’s love in the spring becomes the rose
Some say love, it is a razor, that leaves your soul to bleed
Some say love, it is a hunger, an endless aching need
I say love, it is a flower, and you, its only seed
It’s the heart afraid of breaking, that never learns to dance
It’s the dream afraid of waking, that never takes the chance
It’s the one who won’t be taken, who cannot seem to give
And the soul afraid of dying, that never learns to live
When the night has been too lonely and the road has been too long
And you think that love is only for the lucky and the strong
Just remember in the winter, far beneath the bitter snows
Lies the seed, that with the sun’s love in the spring becomes the rose
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Cruciferi
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Beryllos
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We’ve seen videos and heard reports of customers having tantrums, trashing stores, and getting violent over mask rules. What a shame! Mask Whiners shouldn’t be so proud of this behavior and suggest that it’s natural and inevitable.
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otjm
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I am not sure that Mike made a statement on Science; he actually made a statement repeating what a scientist said.
And while Dr. Osterholm may be an epidemiologist, that in itself does not make the Doctor right; nor does it make him wrong.
Mike said that he was willing to accept that Dr. Osterholm may be right, and Mike indicated that he was making appropriate adjustments to his interaction with other people and moving forward, as in his opinion based on the Doctor’'s predictions, he was a) at risk to contract the virus, and b) more likely than not to not die of it.
Given current information that testing seems to indicate that far more people have contracted the virus than was assumed even 4 weeks ago, we may or may not reach the level of infection that the Doctor estimated. However, given current numbers of infections and deaths, it appears that the Doctor was possibly in the ball park as to danger of death risk, whether or not we hit 100 million, or something less.
As to anyone who chooses to not watch Mike anymore, they are not listening to a common sense response to a prediction of how the virus will play out.
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