Mildly Annoyed with RCIA

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axolotl, that’s a great outline as well. I wonder if my teacher would be offended if I suggested some of these topics to her. She’s been doing it for so long, I don’t want to cause trouble, but I doubt people have ever really gotten anything out of this.

**side note: tomorrow’s our Rite of Welcome. I’m nervous…hate getting up in front of people…and guess who has to lead everyone down the aisle? 👋 She assigned us where to stand and all that without asking…I wish she had asked us our preference…our church is pretty big and it’ll be at the busiest mass…so if you guys could say a little prayer for me tomorrow at 10 that I don’t pass out that would be great. Thanks 😃 **
 
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mercygate:
It seems to be the Gospel of RCIA that doctrine is to be avoided like the plague in favor of relating to the lectionary. In my experience, by the time a convert drags himself into the process, he’s doctrine-starved and wants all he can get. But the lectionary approach is probably better to reache those who have little formation in any faith.

The problem with RCIA is that it’s a one-size-fits-all operation. And it doesn’t fit all. You learn patience and obedience, though. And that counts for a lot.
you have I think stated the problem precisely. However, if those responsible for implementing RCIA take the trouble to study the ritual book and the guidelines they will see it is not either/or, lectionary vs doctrine. Unfortunately, many organized programs for instructing the RCIA catechists do present that point of view.

The guidelines for RCIA catechesis (I am speaking here of formation of the unbaptized) are very clear that the process involves both “breaking open the Word” that is teaching (faith sharing is part of this but not all of it, there needs to be good teaching) based on the lectionary readings, particularly the Gospel, since the foundation of initial evangelization is proclamation of the Gospel. That is why catechumens leave after the readings and homily for further teaching. That is where RCIA catechesis should begin, and that is why ideally this formation should take an entire calendar year, beginning at Easter, until the following Easter, so that the entire lectionary cycle is covered (without a summer break, year-round, not school year model).

However equally important is systematic presentation of Catholic doctrine, for which we have a beautiful model in the Catechism. There are several excellent summary presentations based on the CCC. Our Sunday Visitor has a series by Fr. McBride that is beautifully suited for RCIA or Confirmation classes. OSV has an excellent guide for the catechist, Making Disciples, which provides an outline of how to present each lesson, broken into topics that can be adapted to a year long, or part-year program. It comes with a companion book Opening the Scirptures, which links each Sunday’s readings of all 3 cycles to the relevant catechism topics.

The Association for Catechumenal Ministry has done a great job in compiling an excellent resource for RCIA, including reproducible reusable handouts and Catechist guide with a sound, thorough presentation of doctrine. Available from ltp.org (liturgical trainging publications which also produces the ritual guide for RCIA).

Liguori also publishes excellent RCIA resources for adults, teens and children, in English and Spanish. the backbone is called Journey of Faith, but should not be relied on as the “textbook” but as a supplement to the classroom presentation, for “homework” and further study and reflection.
Fr. Lukefhar’s Catholic Home Study, including his excellent guide to the catechism are a great companion to JOF. For someone less than satisfied with what you are getting in your parish, get his guide, Essentials of the Faith by A Shrenck, or either of Fr. McBride’s catechism guides.

Yes, we do rely on videos a lot, because someone like Bishop Wuerl, Marcello d’Ambrosio or Scott Hahn can make a much better, succinct presentation than we can. But it is always a mistake for any teacher to rely too much on videos.
 
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snowman10:
I am lucky if our RCIA lasts an hour.

It really does stink!

dxu
If you want RCIA to be on-fire and have a wonderful aroma…as in 2 Cor. 2: 14, 15…try this;

Convince your RCIA director to send (2) or (3) team members to a
Catechumenate Forum" such as “Beginnings and Beyond”
or “Initiation” …Return to your First Love” …
or any Catechumenate Forum held in your area.

Make sure you are one of those who attend !
because, …
RCIA (the Church, for that matter ) is like a “Warm Fire-Place” except that the “fire-wood” is sometimes damp or water-logged…
and it won’t burn. All it does is “smolder” …make a lot of smoke and stink up the place.
We need fire-wood that has been next to the fire for quite a long time…thoroughly dry and ready to burn.

if you know what I mean.

We need to have a Good, Clear Vision of what Kind of Church we want…Christ wants.
and be willing to ** "Lose our life for Jesus’ sake and for The Gospels sake.**

Then we will burn clean and hot !

if you know what I mean !

God, Bless us all !

gusano
 
I have said it before and I will say it again: the watchword for those of you in RCIA is “patience”. Everything that is going in will not be explained to you all at once. This is a process, not a class and not a program. It is a journey on which each of you progresses at his own rate, and its pace is directed by the Holy Spirit, not by you or the RCIA director. The success of RCIA has more to do with how well you cooperate with the action of the Holy Spirit, and open yourself to receiving the Words of Jesus Christ, than it does with the actual teaching, demeanor or personality of the catechists or RCIA team members.

While the reason for the way things are done, or why they are done, or the pace of the class, or the set-up of the program may not be readily evident to you, please understand that those guiding you have done their utmost to assure you have everything you need. That does not mean they are teaching a graduate level course in Catholic theology and doctrine. It means they are doing what they should: presenting the doctrine behind the basic elements of the Creed so that you may make your profession of faith, and teaching you about the sacramental economy so you can appreciate your reception of the sacraments and participate in the Liturgy.

Just because you may not realize it, if your program is lectionary-based, that does not mean you are not getting the doctrinal portion, but it may mean the doctrine is not presented in the same order as it appears in the Creed or the Catechism. Your director is probably using any of a number of guides that tie the lectionary to the doctrine. Whether that is they best way is a matter of debate, but if well done it can be very effective.

Also bear in mind that most of this process relies on you, not the catechist, and you are expected to read scripture and other materials at home, to pray, to participate in parish life, and most of all to ask questions.

Also know that in every parish, there is an army of people praying for you while you are in RCIA. Remember also that after baptism the period of mystagogy that follows Easter is just as important as the preparation before Easter, and faithful participation in this process is often the key to whether or not you remain faithful in observance of your new faith.
 
When I first started RCIA at the biggest parish in town, I knew it was going to be very basic and fluffy the whole way through (I knew about Catholicism through my own reading and watching EWTN). We would basically meet a few minutes before Mass, go to Mass together and be dismissed during the Creed, and then we’d get into small groups and talk about what the Gospel readings mean to us and other fluffy stuff like that. I seemed to know more about the Faith than the instructors, and most of the people enrolled were joining the Catholic Church because it fit their personal preferences and not because it is the one true faith established by Jesus Christ for the salvation of men.
About three weeks into it, I found a very orthodox RCIA program at a small parish a little farther away (how I found it was quite unintentional–I wasn’t looking for another RCIA program–but I now know it was divine providence). The RCIA program I ended up at was instructed by the pastor himself and a catechist who was a convert, and the class met for 2 hours every week. We didn’t exactly have a syllabus or anything like that but the classes were based on the way catechisms are typically set up–the Mass, the Apostle’s Creed, Ten Commandments, Lord’s Prayer, etc. so it was pretty thorough.
I do think that RCIA is a one-size-fits-all program and I would like to see the Church do away with it in favor of converts receiving more personal instruction from a priest. The conversion for people who are ready to join the Church is needlessly delayed, while people who shouldn’t be received in yet are received anyway.
 
Anima, I can relate to many of your feelings!

As an update to the others who have posted in this thead, I wanted to let you all know that I had class last night and it was much, much better! The priest was back (he’d been gone for a week and things descended into chaos), he kept the discussion on track and I felt like he actually taught us what the church teaches. Last week everyone had just gone around and shared what they thought the faith and to be honest it was just terrible. Not enough guidance from our other leaders. Also, the “talkers” were kept to a minimum and the priest made sure we all got to share.

How are the rest of your classes progressing?
 
I’ve got class tonight…we’ll see how it goes…

By the way our Rite of Welcome turned out well. We met our sponser there and she seems like a really nice lady. (we didn’t know anyone so they had to pick someone for us.)
 
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Steph700:
How are the rest of your classes progressing?
Better, at least for now. Father talked to the deacon, and he made sure that the discussions stayed on-topic. Unfortunately, he mentioned the Conyers apparition, and the topics are still a bit boring, but I’m still holding out hope that it will get better.
 
My classes have been going pretty well. There are a few things that have happened that I know I would have done differently had it been me teaching, but it’s not my place to judge. Most of the topics covered thus far have actually been pretty balanced. There hasn’t been too much that I felt was directed more towards unbaptized individuals or baptized individuals. Some of the things we discuss have been pretty basic information to me, but that’s probably because I’m a theolgy student. I would say we’ve had some interesting discussions though, and I have learned quite a bit. I would definitely agree that patience is VERY important in this process.
 
Thought I would give this thread a bump to see if folks on this thread are finding their situations improving?

Personally, I am finding that my RCIA is a lot better the nights when our priest is there. He can’t make it to every meeting and we have 3 other leaders. The other leaders are all nice, but only one of them is a cradle Catholic (and he’s currently in a protestant seminary… so not sure how on base he is with a lot of theology). The other two have been catholic for a combined 3 years, and while they are good intentioned they seem to only want to focus on Vatican II and how radically it has changed the church. This is a frustration to me, b/c if I wanted to join a church that was changed radically in the 1900’s, goodness I’d just stay in my protestant evangelical faith.

When the priest is there he seems to keep things on track and I am really enjoying getting to know him- he’s the only priest I’ve ever really had a conversation with!

Last night we practiced for this coming Sunday- our sponsors and the church will welcome us as we continue our studies (the rite of acceptance I believe). Has anyone else out there also done this recently? Should be interesting…
 
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